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Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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  • #7562
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Was there any laws broken by anyone in Northern Ireland or for people returning to Republic of Ireland?

    Does that really matter? It was the example shown by the two women leaders, shoving it in the face of the rest of the Irish people that we can pretend to bury our friend while the rest of you watch from a distance on a phone or a laptop while your loved ones are laid to rest.

    There are many people who will not forgive Sinn Fein for this.


  • #7563
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Does that really matter? It was the example shown by the two women leaders, shoving it in the face of the rest of the Irish people that we can pretend to bury our friend while the rest of you watch from a distance on a phone or a laptop while your loved ones are laid to rest.

    There are many people who will not forgive Sinn Fein for this.

    It does matter. Was there any laws broken by organising a funeral in Northern Ireland or for returning to the Republic of Ireland. There either was or wasn't?


  • #7564
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    :):)

    All funerals are a form of theatre Bonnie.
    His funeral notice said that 'afterwards there would be a short ceremony and oration'.

    Are theatres open again?


  • #7565
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,669 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Bonniedog wrote: »
    "The person who had died," I believe I said. Storey was dead I assume so the Milltown thing could have been staged at a ballad session in the Felons. It made a mockery of a ceremony many people take seriously.

    We could have had no funerals at all during Covid. All of them could have been held over to avoid danger.

    But some of them did breach regs. Unfortunate, but were they a crime of the magnitude being made out by the politically motivated?

    Oh WAIT! There is only one funeral being used in that way.


  • #7566
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,669 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Does that really matter? It was the example shown by the two women leaders, shoving it in the face of the rest of the Irish people that we can pretend to bury our friend while the rest of you watch from a distance on a phone or a laptop while your loved ones are laid to rest.

    There are many people who will not forgive Sinn Fein for this.

    I think SF can cope with you not forgiving them blanch.:)
    Why use the gender of the leaders by the way? The 'two women leaders'?

    Bit of an odd thing to do. Was there a point to it?


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  • #7567
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We could have had no funerals at all during Covid. All of them could have been held over to avoid danger.

    But some of them did breach regs. Unfortunate, but were they a crime of the magnitude being made out by the politically motivated?

    Oh WAIT! There is only one funeral being used in that way.

    Were there lots of funerals breaching regulations?

    There may be only one funeral being focused on by the politically motivated, but maybe that's because it was the only funeral whose performance was so unashamedly politically motivated.


  • #7568
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    rdwight wrote: »
    Were there lots of funerals breaching regulations?

    There may be only one funeral being focused on by the politically motivated, but maybe that's because it was the only funeral whose performance was so unashamedly politically motivated.

    What laws were in place and were broken by a funeral in Northern Ireland and returning to the Republic of Ireland. I have asked 3 times and no one has pointed to any law broken.


  • #7569
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,669 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    rdwight wrote: »
    Were there lots of funerals breaching regulations?

    There may be only one funeral being focused on by the politically motivated, but maybe that's because it was the only funeral whose performance was so unashamedly politically motivated.

    At least you are honest enough to admit it is a politically motivated response.

    Yes there were other funerals that breached regs, the funeral of an SDLP figure and the State funeral.

    Not a peep out of anyone about Covid concerns with them.

    At least the mask is off now. To coin an appropriate phrase maybe.


  • #7570
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    We could have had no funerals at all during Covid. All of them could have been held over to avoid danger.

    But some of them did breach regs. Unfortunate, but were they a crime of the magnitude being made out by the politically motivated?

    Oh WAIT! There is only one funeral being used in that way.


    As you have already admitted, there was only one funeral during the pandemic that was used to make a political statement.
    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    I think SF can cope with you not forgiving them blanch.:)
    Why use the gender of the leaders by the way? The 'two women leaders'?

    Bit of an odd thing to do. Was there a point to it?

    Are you that desperate to try looking for an insult anywhere you can find it? The boys in Belfast are the real leaders of Sinn Fein, as we all know, hence the reference to the women leaders.


  • #7571
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    joeguevara wrote: »
    What laws were in place and were broken by a funeral in Northern Ireland and returning to the Republic of Ireland. I have asked 3 times and no one has pointed to any law broken.

    None
    The funeral & Mass gathering was delayed until the day after travel restrictions within the Republic were lifted
    This allowed people from as far away as Cork to attend


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  • #7572
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    None
    The funeral & Mass gathering was delayed until the day after travel restrictions within the Republic were lifted
    This allowed people from as far away as Cork to attend

    So, just to be sure, No Law broken, surely if people are getting so annoyed there must some law broken, some crime committed, some breach of legislation?


  • #7573
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    At least you are honest enough to admit it is a politically motivated response.

    Yes there were other funerals that breached regs, the funeral of an SDLP figure and the State funeral.

    Not a peep out of anyone about Covid concerns with them.

    At least the mask is off now. To coin an appropriate phrase maybe.
    Ah jaysus Francie, don't be getting yourself excited. I only accepted your premise to point out the flaw in your argument.


  • #7574
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,852 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    At least you are honest enough to admit it is a politically motivated response.

    Yes there were other funerals that breached regs, the funeral of an SDLP figure and the State funeral.

    Not a peep out of anyone about Covid concerns with them.

    At least the mask is off now. To coin an appropriate phrase maybe.

    The funeral was used by Sinn Fein for political purposes, as you yourself have already admitted. Yet, you are now complaining that some of the responses to the funeral are politically motivated?

    However, let's be clear, every single other party in the Assembly have joined together to condemn Sinn Fein and Michelle O'Neill. Why hasn't she apologised and resigned? Arrogance is the answer.


  • #7575
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    joeguevara wrote: »
    So, just to be sure, No Law broken, surely if people are getting so annoyed there must some law broken, some crime committed, some breach of legislation?

    I don't know if there was any law broken. I believe that regulations on the number of people allowed in the church, only family members being allowed to carry coffins, and social distancing (eg Michelle selfie) were broken. It looks like Belfast City Council and the Crematorium were persuaded into contortions of the rules to facilitate this funeral at the expense of other funerals.

    The spirit of the law/regulations was certainly broken.


  • #7576
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    blanch152 wrote: »
    The funeral was used by Sinn Fein for political purposes, as you yourself have already admitted. Yet, you are now complaining that some of the responses to the funeral are politically motivated?

    However, let's be clear, every single other party in the Assembly have joined together to condemn Sinn Fein and Michelle O'Neill. Why hasn't she apologised and resigned? Arrogance is the answer.

    Can I ask what breach of Law she should apologise for and what breach of law she should resign for? Surely not just because every other party dislikes Sinn Fein?


  • #7577
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    joeguevara wrote: »
    So, just to be sure, No Law broken, surely if people are getting so annoyed there must some law broken, some crime committed, some breach of legislation?

    No law in the Republic of Ireland
    I'm not upset or Angry
    There were 1800 stewards lined up for a private citizens funeral
    That would have been significantly more than the 30 allowed attend
    There were also 8 families not allowed their entitlement of 30 people at the crematorium on that day
    Despite the 1800 stewards,a very bad job was done stewarding social distancing on the day
    Not the best optics


  • #7578
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    rdwight wrote: »
    I don't know if there was any law broken. I believe that regulations on the number of people allowed in the church, only family members being allowed to carry coffins, and social distancing (eg Michelle selfie) were broken. It looks like Belfast City Council and the Crematorium were persuaded into contortions of the rules to facilitate this funeral at the expense of other funerals.

    The spirit of the law/regulations was certainly broken.

    Im asking for broken laws not broken spirits. Please try again and does it ever say specifically about family members carrying coffins. Also please reference the date of the ceremony to the law. Please don't use 'looks like' if you don't know the answer.


  • #7579
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No law in the Republic of Ireland
    I'm not upset or Angry
    There were 1800 stewards lined up for a private citizens funeral
    That would have been significantly more than the 30 allowed attend
    There were also 8 families not allowed their entitlement of 30 people at the crematorium on that day
    Despite the 1800 stewards,a very bad job was done stewarding social distancing on the day
    Not the best optics

    So no law in the Republic of Ireland. Grand.

    Now any law in Northern Ireland where it took place?


  • #7580
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,669 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    No law in the Republic of Ireland
    I'm not upset or Angry
    There were 1800 stewards lined up for a private citizens funeral
    That would have been significantly more than the 30 allowed attend
    There were also 8 families not allowed their entitlement of 30 people at the crematorium on that day
    Despite the 1800 stewards,a very bad job was done stewarding social distancing on the day
    Not the best optics

    Just keep the denial going that the Crematorium have said they operated as they do for any high profile funeral. I.E. there was nothing unusual, no white beardy men down from the hills intimidating them etc.
    Another attempt to portray what happened as sinister scotched, but still you persist,


  • #7581
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just keep the denial going that the Crematorium have said they operated as they do for any high profile funeral. I.E. there was nothing unusual, no white beardy men down from the hills intimidating them etc.
    Another attempt to portray what happened as sinister scotched, but still you persist,

    Beats trying to defend FF/FG on their shenanigans :)


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  • #7582
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    At least try and stay up to date. Another exaggeration. Here is the PSNI statement. Even uses the word 'engaged'.

    Which PSNI statement is that because we have.

    https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/psni-deny-mary-lou-mcdonald-claim-that-force-involved-in-planning-of-bobby-storey-funeral-39337494.html
    The PSNI has denied claims by Sinn Fein president Mary Lou McDonald that the force was involved in the planning of the funeral for IRA veteran Bobby Storey.

    The Sinn Fein leader told RTE that the PSNI "meticulously planned" the funeral along with organisers and that it was the force which asked Sinn Fein to put stewards on the road.

    However, PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Alan Todd, in a statement issued on Friday morning, denied those claims.

    The senior officer said that PSNI had engaged with organisers before the funeral of the former IRA man in order that they "understood their obligations".

    He added: To be clear, PSNI were not involved in the planning of this funeral and did not approve any plan for the funeral.

    "Accordingly we were made aware of the plans for Tuesday’s funeral and local officers engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing.

    So it appears that SF, MoM and MLD want to drag the PSNI into the argument and use them as cover, when in truth they are over-egging the pudding and her statement that the PSNI ""meticulously planned" the funeral" is bogus.


  • #7583
    markodaly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,313 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So, has anyone gotten to the bottom of the fact that there was a funeral procession to the graveyard but Storey himself was to be cremated??

    A fake funeral is where we are at now?


  • #7584
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    markodaly wrote: »
    So, has anyone gotten to the bottom of the fact that there was a funeral procession to the graveyard but Storey himself was to be cremated??

    A fake funeral is where we are at now?

    That's pretty desperate. You've never been to a funeral with a cremation? It's usually the exact same except theres no graveside burial.


  • #7585
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    joeguevara wrote: »
    So, just to be sure, No Law broken, surely if people are getting so annoyed there must some law broken, some crime committed, some breach of legislation?

    The numbers restrictions at funerals is law subject to a max fine of £1000stg
    Its very unlikely that fines will be handed out for this one though
    Scorn will be fine enough


  • #7586
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    The numbers restrictions at funerals is law subject to a max fine of £1000stg
    Its very unlikely that fines will be handed out for this one though
    Scorn will be fine enough

    Can you show me the law and the reference date please? Who gets the fines, the individual or the family?


  • #7587
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Just keep the denial going that the Crematorium have said they operated as they do for any high profile funeral. I.E. there was nothing unusual, no white beardy men down from the hills intimidating them etc.
    Another attempt to portray what happened as sinister scotched, but still you persist,

    its not a lie,its a fact that 8 families were denied their grieving rights to accommodate the Storey funeral
    That needn't have happened


  • #7588
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    its not a lie,its a fact that 8 families were denied their grieving rights to accommodate the Storey funeral
    That needn't have happened

    Was there a possibility that they could have had it the next day? Could 8 have done it all in the one day anyway? Do you know if they had over 30 mourners each? Where are you getting this information from?


  • #7589
    rdwight
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 594 ✭✭✭rdwight


    Bowie wrote: »
    That's pretty desperate. You've never been to a funeral with a cremation? It's usually the exact same except theres no graveside burial.

    I've never been to a funeral at a cemetery when the the deceased was going to cremated several miles away.


  • #7590
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    joeguevara wrote: »
    Can you show me the law and the reference date please? Who gets the fines, the individual or the family?

    I don't expect there to be any fines to be meated out

    Attached is a quick Google for you
    You will need a sub to search the Irish Times by day
    The specific regulation will be on ni.gov.co.uk somewhere
    If you haven't found them yourself by later,I'll certainly look them up for you
    joeguevara wrote: »
    Was there a possibility that they could have had it the next day? Could 8 have done it all in the one day anyway? Do you know if they had over 30 mourners each? Where are you getting this information from?

    several news outlets yesterday and the day before


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  • #7591
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,249 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    I don't expect there to be any fines to be meated out

    Attached is a quick Google for you
    You will need a sub to search the Irish Times by day
    The specific regulation will be on ni.gov.co.uk somewhere
    If you haven't found them yourself by later,I'll certainly look them up for you

    Ill have a look. I tried earlier and it appeared to be guidelines etc, I couldn't find an actual law but this looks good. Thank you.


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