joeguevara wrote: » Was there any laws broken by anyone in Northern Ireland or for people returning to Republic of Ireland?
blanch152 wrote: » Does that really matter? It was the example shown by the two women leaders, shoving it in the face of the rest of the Irish people that we can pretend to bury our friend while the rest of you watch from a distance on a phone or a laptop while your loved ones are laid to rest. There are many people who will not forgive Sinn Fein for this.
FrancieBrady wrote: » All funerals are a form of theatre Bonnie. His funeral notice said that 'afterwards there would be a short ceremony and oration'.
Bonniedog wrote: » "The person who had died," I believe I said. Storey was dead I assume so the Milltown thing could have been staged at a ballad session in the Felons. It made a mockery of a ceremony many people take seriously.
FrancieBrady wrote: » We could have had no funerals at all during Covid. All of them could have been held over to avoid danger. But some of them did breach regs. Unfortunate, but were they a crime of the magnitude being made out by the politically motivated? Oh WAIT! There is only one funeral being used in that way.
rdwight wrote: » Were there lots of funerals breaching regulations? There may be only one funeral being focused on by the politically motivated, but maybe that's because it was the only funeral whose performance was so unashamedly politically motivated.
FrancieBrady wrote: » I think SF can cope with you not forgiving them blanch.:) Why use the gender of the leaders by the way? The 'two women leaders'? Bit of an odd thing to do. Was there a point to it?
joeguevara wrote: » What laws were in place and were broken by a funeral in Northern Ireland and returning to the Republic of Ireland. I have asked 3 times and no one has pointed to any law broken.
Mortelaro wrote: » None The funeral & Mass gathering was delayed until the day after travel restrictions within the Republic were lifted This allowed people from as far away as Cork to attend
FrancieBrady wrote: » At least you are honest enough to admit it is a politically motivated response. Yes there were other funerals that breached regs, the funeral of an SDLP figure and the State funeral. Not a peep out of anyone about Covid concerns with them.At least the mask is off now. To coin an appropriate phrase maybe.
FrancieBrady wrote: » At least you are honest enough to admit it is a politically motivated response. Yes there were other funerals that breached regs, the funeral of an SDLP figure and the State funeral. Not a peep out of anyone about Covid concerns with them. At least the mask is off now. To coin an appropriate phrase maybe.
joeguevara wrote: » So, just to be sure, No Law broken, surely if people are getting so annoyed there must some law broken, some crime committed, some breach of legislation?
blanch152 wrote: » The funeral was used by Sinn Fein for political purposes, as you yourself have already admitted. Yet, you are now complaining that some of the responses to the funeral are politically motivated? However, let's be clear, every single other party in the Assembly have joined together to condemn Sinn Fein and Michelle O'Neill. Why hasn't she apologised and resigned? Arrogance is the answer.
rdwight wrote: » I don't know if there was any law broken. I believe that regulations on the number of people allowed in the church, only family members being allowed to carry coffins, and social distancing (eg Michelle selfie) were broken. It looks like Belfast City Council and the Crematorium were persuaded into contortions of the rules to facilitate this funeral at the expense of other funerals. The spirit of the law/regulations was certainly broken.
Mortelaro wrote: » No law in the Republic of Ireland I'm not upset or Angry There were 1800 stewards lined up for a private citizens funeral That would have been significantly more than the 30 allowed attend There were also 8 families not allowed their entitlement of 30 people at the crematorium on that day Despite the 1800 stewards,a very bad job was done stewarding social distancing on the day Not the best optics
Mortelaro wrote: » No law in the Republic of Ireland I'm not upset or Angry There were 1800 stewards lined up for a private citizens funeral That would have been significantly more than the 30 allowed attendThere were also 8 families not allowed their entitlement of 30 people at the crematorium on that day Despite the 1800 stewards,a very bad job was done stewarding social distancing on the day Not the best optics
FrancieBrady wrote: » Just keep the denial going that the Crematorium have said they operated as they do for any high profile funeral. I.E. there was nothing unusual, no white beardy men down from the hills intimidating them etc. Another attempt to portray what happened as sinister scotched, but still you persist,
FrancieBrady wrote: » At least try and stay up to date. Another exaggeration. Here is the PSNI statement. Even uses the word 'engaged'.
The PSNI has denied claims by Sinn Fein president Mary Lou McDonald that the force was involved in the planning of the funeral for IRA veteran Bobby Storey. The Sinn Fein leader told RTE that the PSNI "meticulously planned" the funeral along with organisers and that it was the force which asked Sinn Fein to put stewards on the road. However, PSNI Assistant Chief Constable Alan Todd, in a statement issued on Friday morning, denied those claims. The senior officer said that PSNI had engaged with organisers before the funeral of the former IRA man in order that they "understood their obligations". He added: To be clear, PSNI were not involved in the planning of this funeral and did not approve any plan for the funeral. "Accordingly we were made aware of the plans for Tuesday’s funeral and local officers engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing.
markodaly wrote: » So, has anyone gotten to the bottom of the fact that there was a funeral procession to the graveyard but Storey himself was to be cremated??A fake funeral is where we are at now?
Mortelaro wrote: » The numbers restrictions at funerals is law subject to a max fine of £1000stg Its very unlikely that fines will be handed out for this one though Scorn will be fine enough
Mortelaro wrote: » its not a lie,its a fact that 8 families were denied their grieving rights to accommodate the Storey funeral That needn't have happened
Bowie wrote: » That's pretty desperate. You've never been to a funeral with a cremation? It's usually the exact same except theres no graveside burial.
joeguevara wrote: » Can you show me the law and the reference date please? Who gets the fines, the individual or the family?
joeguevara wrote: » Was there a possibility that they could have had it the next day? Could 8 have done it all in the one day anyway? Do you know if they had over 30 mourners each? Where are you getting this information from?
Mortelaro wrote: » I don't expect there to be any fines to be meated out Attached is a quick Google for you You will need a sub to search the Irish Times by day The specific regulation will be on ni.gov.co.uk somewhere If you haven't found them yourself by later,I'll certainly look them up for you
