Is it just me or have SF vanished?

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:40PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Anyone who organises or attends a high profile funeral during Covid-19 is in breach of the regulations.

Unfortunately for those poor nine families, the clear breach of the regulations by Sinn Fein meant that their funerals had to be cancelled.

It is a complete disgrace, and the lack of shame is nauseating.

Not seeing your condemnation of other 'high profile funerals' blanch, can you link to them?

The PSNI seemed happy to allow it go ahead, having 'engaged' with the priest and organisers.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:43PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are only criticising him to deflect from the antics of Sinn Fein.

No I criticised SF too.

I, though kept all of them in perspective. I didn't for instance ask for Leo to apologise for having a few drinks with his friends, I just questioned his leadership which I think was found wanting. It's good he is gone for the time being.

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 10:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Debunked by someone who is here defending FG and Varadkar to the hilt? Are you having a laugh?

I used the same science to defend MLM's shadow cabinet gathering on the plinth the other day
So will ye kindly keep up

Your opinion differs to mine and others who criticised him. Get over it.

I've explained several times on this and its sister threads that I give as much of a sh1te about your opinion as you do of mine
Totally opposing views
Put opinions into a public thread and don't expect congratulations for them as you're exposing yours to new people outside the bubble
None of us should seem to mind this as we're here

blanch152 · 07-07-2020 10:49PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Not seeing your condemnation of other 'high profile funerals' blanch, can you link to them?

The PSNI seemed happy to allow it go ahead, having 'engaged' with the priest and organisers.

Francie, I have previously explained to you the difference between a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty on behalf of his country, and the common funeral of a common thug and killer.

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 10:50PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No I criticised SF too.

I, though kept all of them in perspective. I didn't for instance ask for Leo to apologise for having a few drinks with his friends, I just questioned his leadership which I think was found wanting. It's good he is gone for the time being.

So SF and FG leaders fcuked up.
Thank god for Michael, probably the best choice for Taoiseach out of a bad lot.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:51PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, I have previously explained to you the difference between a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty on behalf of his country, and the common funeral of a common thug and killer.

Did you explain the difference to Covid?

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 10:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I, though kept all of them in perspective. I didn't for instance ask for Leo to apologise for having a few drinks with his friends, I just questioned his leadership which I think was found wanting. .

That as I said,is outrageously OTT

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:52PM

Mortelaro wrote: »

I've explained several times on this and its sister threads that I give as much of a sh1te about your opinion

What are you debating for then?

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:53PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

So SF and FG leaders fcuked up.
Thank god for Michael, probably the best choice for Taoiseach out of a bad lot.

Michael went into hiding for most of the pandemic...no danger of him transgressing.

Mortelaro · 07-07-2020 10:55PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

What are you debating for then?

This is a debating forum?
Its titled the 'current affairs and in my humble opinion' forum
An opinion sharing discussion forum

If you want debate,there's the politics forum

Bishop of hope · 07-07-2020 10:56PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Michael went into hiding for most of the pandemic...no danger of him transgressing.

Probably wishes at times he was still in it.

FrancieBrady · 07-07-2020 10:57PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Probably wishes at times he was still in it.

His problem didn't go away tonight. Poor Michael, he has to stop dithering.

markodaly · 08-07-2020 01:05AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The PSNI seemed happy to allow it go ahead, having 'engaged' with the priest and organisers.

Isn't this a lie?

I know MLD and MoM spun the 'we talked to and engaged with the PSNI' line and the PSNI came out after and said this was not true.

To be honest this is the classic SF problem, arrogance and hubris in the light of wrongdoing.

https://www.rte.ie/news/ulster/2020/0707/1151830-stormont/

The motion was signed by the other four parties that make up the Stormont Executive, the DUP, SDLP, Alliance and Ulster Unionists.

Now, either SF is correct or all other parties in the Assembly are onto something.

The most obvious issue is that SF refuses to be held to the very same high standards they expect of others and as per usual, it is the nonchalant way they dismiss criticism that actually gives this story more and more legs.

Of course, their die hardcore vote, love it. The 'its us vs the world' type of narrative is lovely but if SF wants to go into power in the Republic, that will not cut the mustard anymore. Remember, MLD if she becomes Taoiseach is Taoiseach for everyone, not just SF members. This is Ireland, not Trumps America.

markodaly · 08-07-2020 01:09AM

This is going to hurt SF badly in Belfast.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-53305886

Belfast City Council has apologised after details emerged about how it dealt with Bobby Storey's family at Roselawn crematorium last week compared to other families.

The council admitted that the family was the only one allowed into Roselawn on Tuesday for a cremation.

Eight other families were not allowed in as their loved-ones were cremated.

The council said this was an "error of judgement" and has sent an apology to all of the families affected.

If I was one of the other family I would be furious but sure, once SF/IRA got their day out, got their photo op and sent sure they are happy.

Did I read correctly that the funeral procession went to the graveyard, even though he was going to be cremated? Talk about taking the piss in the middle of a pandemic and playing for the cameras.

James Brown · 08-07-2020 01:31AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Anyone who organises or attends a high profile funeral during Covid-19 is in breach of the regulations.

Unfortunately for those poor nine families, the clear breach of the regulations by Sinn Fein meant that their funerals had to be cancelled.

It is a complete disgrace, and the lack of shame is nauseating.

I missed all your outrage at Flanagan and the Garda at their funeral. Link? :rolleyes:

They should have social distanced. I don't know what lens the cameraman was using, but still. At least it was a funeral not a needless PR photo op or the like.

blackwhite · 08-07-2020 09:17AM

Bowie wrote: »

At least it was a funeral not a needless PR photo op or the like.

I'd have thought that pretending to have a burial, just in order to hold a Trump-style political rally was a prime example of a needless PR photo op.

Strange how all the SF acolytes continually whine about Varadkar loving photo ops, and being obsessed with image - but they don't see the irony in staging a burial in order to have a "traditional" setting for their political speeches

McMurphy · 08-07-2020 09:33AM

blackwhite wrote: »

I'd have thought that pretending to have a burial, just in order to hold a Trump-style political rally was a prime example of a needless PR photo op.

Strange how all the SF acolytes continually whine about Varadkar loving photo ops, and being obsessed with image - but they don't see the irony in staging a burial in order to have a "traditional" setting for their political speeches

I don't think their was a "staged burial", a staged burial would indicate their was an empty coffin lowered into a grave.

A gathering at the republican plot in Milltown cemetery by mourner's does not equate to a "staged burial".

Why lie about something that's so easily disproved?

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 09:51AM

markodaly wrote: »

Isn't this a lie?

I know MLD and MoM spun the 'we talked to and engaged with the PSNI' line and the PSNI came out after and said this was not true.

At least try and stay up to date. Another exaggeration. Here is the PSNI statement. Even uses the word 'engaged'.

We were made aware of the plans for today's funeral and have engaged with the celebrant and service organisers to highlight both the public health advice and risks around Covid-19, and the requirement for those attending to adhere to social distancing.

"We had assurances that those attending would observe the health guidelines and that marshals would be in place to encourage those lining the cortege route to observe social distancing.

dundalkfc10 · 08-07-2020 09:52AM

blanch152 wrote: »

Francie, I have previously explained to you the difference between a State funeral for a garda killed in the line of duty on behalf of his country, and the common funeral of a common thug and killer.

Thankfully the 19th Covid we have had now (Mr Harris) is very smart and released the difference aswell

blackwhite · 08-07-2020 09:59AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I don't think their was a "staged burial", a staged burial would indicate their was an empty coffin lowered into a grave.

A gathering at the republican plot in Milltown cemetery by mourner's does not equate to a "staged burial".

Why lie about something that's so easily disproved?

They did everything possible to give the impression that they were having a burial - otherwise why gather in the graveyard at all?

Political rally that they tried to dress up as something else.

No surprise to see the usual foot-soldiers crawling out of the woodwork to defend SF attempt at aping Trump's rally in Tulsa

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 10:06AM

blackwhite wrote: »

They did everything possible to give the impression that they were having a burial - otherwise why gather in the graveyard at all?

Political rally that they tried to dress up as something else.

No surprise to see the usual foot-soldiers crawling out of the woodwork to defend SF attempt at aping Trump's rally in Tulsa

They gathered for what the funeral notice said they were gathering for...' a short ceremony and oration'.

The normal way it is phrased is 'burial afterwards in X cemetery'

A bit like the supposed non engagement with the PSNI this one is being grasped upon and run with.

McMurphy · 08-07-2020 10:07AM

blackwhite wrote: »

They did everything possible to give the impression that they were having a burial - otherwise why gather in the graveyard at all?

Political rally that they tried to dress up as something else.

No surprise to see the usual foot-soldiers crawling out of the woodwork to defend SF attempt at aping Trump's rally in Tulsa

Wait a minute, if by "foot soldier" you mean someone who will point out complete and utter lies?

The graveside oration was organised and known about by anyone who was interested and intended to attend, including the media.

You told a deliberate and intentional lie, you got called out on it, now might be the time to stop digging.

blackwhite · 08-07-2020 10:10AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

They gathered for what the funeral notice said they were gathering for...' a short ceremony and oration'.

The normal way it is phrased is 'burial afterwards in X cemetery'

The "normal way" is the requiem mass, with burial afterwards in X cemetery. Not requiem mass - followed by speeches in location 2 - followed by burial/cremation somewhere completely differently.

A diversion half-way through a funeral, just to hold a political rally - during a pandemic.

I wonder how many other funerals in NI or the Republic take a detour between the Church and the final resting place (be it burial place, or crematorium) to hold a rally beside someone else's grave

blackwhite · 08-07-2020 10:14AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Wait a minute, if by "foot soldier" you mean someone who will point out complete and utter lies?

The graveside oration was organised and known about by anyone who was interested and intended to attend, including the media.

You told a deliberate and intentional lie, you got called out on it, now might be the time to stop digging.

They tried to paint it as happening at Storey's graveside - which was a lie in order to try and justify holding their Trump-style rally.

Not often you hear of a funeral taking a diversion to someone else's graveside for a few political speeches.

SF fans defending the indefensible as usual. The party can do no wrong - it's always someone else's fault.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 10:21AM

blackwhite wrote: »

The "normal way" is the requiem mass, with burial afterwards in X cemetery. Not requiem mass - followed by speeches in location 2 - followed by burial/cremation somewhere completely differently.

A diversion half-way through a funeral, just to hold a political rally - during a pandemic.

I wonder how many other funerals in NI or the Republic take a detour between the Church and the final resting place (be it burial place, or crematorium) to hold a rally beside someone else's grave

Not very many. But funerals of ex IRA and key SF members follow this format for years.

Who did they fool in doing this? Certainly not the PSNI, who had people monitoring the crematorium and graveyard.
A delegation left the graveyard to go to the cremation, it wasn't a surprise.

It may have been wrong to plan to do it during a pandemic (I don't see why if social distancing rules were adhered to) but it is equally wrong to try and portray this as a sinister thing.

McMurphy · 08-07-2020 10:23AM

blackwhite wrote: »

They tried to paint it as happening at Storey's graveside - which was a lie in order to try and justify holding their Trump-style rally.

Not often you hear of a funeral taking a diversion to someone else's graveside for a few political speeches.

SF fans defending the indefensible as usual. The party can do no wrong - it's always someone else's fault.

In this case the "someone else being at fault" would be Mr Blackwhite for telling a fairly easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie.

The details of his funeral arrangements were widely known and planned for well in advance, you deliberately said a "pretend burial" and a "staged burial" - an out and out lie which is extraordinarily easy to disprove.

His funeral arrangements always had the crystal clear arrangements for a "short commemoration and oration" after the mass at Milltown republican plot.

There's plenty to criticise Sinn Fein over the funeral, but there's no need for blatant lies.

Are you going to withdraw the lie, or would you like the funeral arrangements posted on the thread?

Mortelaro · 08-07-2020 10:41AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It may have been wrong to plan to do it during a pandemic (I don't see why if social distancing rules were adhered to) .

Regulations perhaps?
You know,regulations that every other private citizen funeral had to adhere to,because of COVID 19 like

joeguevara · 08-07-2020 10:48AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Regulations perhaps?
You know,regulations that every other private citizen funeral had to adhere to,because of COVID 19 like

What are the Regulations in Northern Ireland for funerals on the date of the funeral.

Similarly what are the Regulations in Republic of Ireland for travel to Northern Ireland and return to the Republic of Ireland on the date of the funeral.

FrancieBrady · 08-07-2020 10:51AM

Mortelaro wrote: »

Regulations perhaps?
You know,regulations that every other private citizen funeral had to adhere to,because of COVID 19 like

What regs were broken in organising the funeral?

I think you'll find it was the same as the regs that a blind eye was turned to in other circumstances too and given a pass by EVERYONE who could see it happening. for empathetic reasons (in my case anyhow)

But once again, we have the climb up on to the high moral ground.

SF should take whatever criticism and penalties are appropriate for breaches of the regs.

The high moral grounders using a funeral for political gain will soon go back from whence they came.

blackwhite · 08-07-2020 11:00AM

McMurphy wrote: »

In this case the "someone else being at fault" would be Mr Blackwhite for telling a fairly easily disproved deliberate and intentional lie.

The details of his funeral arrangements were widely known and planned for well in advance, you deliberately said a "pretend burial" and a "staged burial" - an out and out lie which is extraordinarily easy to disprove.

His funeral arrangements always had the crystal clear arrangements for a "short commemoration and oration" after the mass at Milltown republican plot.

There's plenty to criticise Sinn Fein over the funeral, but there's no need for blatant lies.

Are you going to withdraw the lie, or would you like the funeral arrangements posted on the thread?

Bad phrasing on my part maybe - but they did their best to give it all the trappings of a burial, when no burial was taking place.

All for the sake of a Trump-style political rally

Funny how all the SF die-hards get worked up over poor phrasing - but the key point will be ignored over, and over and over.

Gotta defend the cult no matter what :rolleyes:

Is it just me or have SF vanished?

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