Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Eod100

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

There's close to 700,000 people over age of 65, why should they have to isolate for months just so pubs can cram in as many people as possible? If anything less people might be inclined to go if that was the case. People have lasted close to 4 months without pubs being open, they can do a few more months of social distancing.

fritzelly

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

So anyone over 35 is classed as old
Let me guess your age...

fr336

- Former chief scientific advisor to UK goverment wants England faces another 27,000 deaths if goverment plan isnt adjusted.

- Group of over 200 scientists demand WHO acknowledge Covid is an airbourne virus which can linger in the air and therefore masks should be compulsory indoors.

iamwhoiam

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

Yeh thanks for that . So i go into isolation so that you can go out on the pIss . Are you 12 years old ?

martingriff

Eod100 wrote: »

There's close to 700,000 people over age of 65, why should they have to isolate for months just so pubs can cram in as many people as possible? If anything less people might be inclined to go if that was the case. People have lasted close to 4 months without pubs being open, they can do a few more months of social distancing.

Don' forget also those with underlying conditions and then people not meeting them. But hey the poster needs a pint and does not care about anyone else

Jim_Hodge

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

It would have to be combined with older people continuing to isolate.

:D:D:D


Thought so. Wind up, naïve or both.

bb1234567

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

If you take 7 EU countries that add up to same population of USA, you'd find it would add up to far more deaths than the USA have had.
USA is finding 100's of 1000's of positives results of covid of late, but very few deaths.

USA is still averaging 500-600 deaths per day, hardly very few ! The leading cause of death ,cardiovascular disease , kills 1700 Americans per day. So the covid deaths are still high when put into context.

Eod100

martingriff wrote: »

Don' forget also those with underlying conditions and then people not meeting them. But hey the poster needs a pint and does not care about anyone else

Of course, mentioned them in my other post. Especially bar staff who will have no choice to interact with people and could have siblings, parents, grannies, sons, daughters etc with underlying conditions.

Just one example, Ireland has one of the highest rates of cystic fibrosis rates in the world. Think it's 1 in 19 here. Not right or fair that people have to continue to cocoon just so pubs can cram people in.

If we need to live with the virus then it's everyone needs to live with it, not just the young and healthy. And with this virus even that may not prevent you from getting seriously ill or dying. Some perspective needed here.

SeaBreezes

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The article also states that "one infected person" was let out of hospital. As if they're letting COVID zombies roam the streets.

This all started with 'one infected person'...

fr336

Assetbacked wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-no-further-deaths-reported-as-doctor-warns-second-wave-weeks-away-1.4296767?mode=amp

Christ almighty, why are these moaners given such airtime? An article based on a doctor's own opinion of people enjoying a night out last night being likely to result in a second wave of covid. He even says he had anxiety induced from what he saw, perhaps the doctor should see a doctor. Such nonsense which just makes the impressionable reader base unnecessarily fearful.

What are you banging on about all the drinkers out last night didnt look too fearful did they. Theres being fearful and theres not caring at all - some people defintely fall into the latter. Balance is good.

ACitizenErased

SeaBreezes wrote: »

This all started with 'one infected person'...

A person leaves a hospital when they're not infected.............

ACitizenErased

Courtesy of @HuskiesAgency on Twitter.

SeaBreezes

SeaBreezes wrote: »

This all started with 'one infected person'...

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

ShineOn7

Dublin GP: "It felt like All Ireland final night"

Images of packed crowds in Dublin city last night prompt criticism

God help the lad. Not only did he have to see 3 months of sacrifice scoffed at, he also had to talk to Brendan O'Connor

Speaking on RTÉ Radio One’s Brendan O’Connor show this morning, Dr Maitiu O Tuathail described the city as “completely rammed” with people socialising and said there was a “festival atmosphere”.

“It was profoundly upsetting to be honest,” Ó Tuathail said.

His sentiments were echoed by former health minister Simon Harris this morning, who tweeted: “C’mon everyone. We’ve come too far to go back.”

Full article here https://www.thejournal.ie/drinking-crowds-dublin-5141940-Jul2020/

fr336

ShineOn7 wrote: »

God help the lad. Not only did he have to see 3 months of sacrifice scoffed at, he also had to talk to Brendan O'Connor



Full article here https://www.thejournal.ie/drinking-crowds-dublin-5141940-Jul2020/

"A slap in the face to those who have broken their backs to keep the country running" ain't that the truth. The doctors and nurses saving people's lives, the shop staff keeping people topped up with booze and other luxuries during the worst of lock down. Personally I'd have made supermarkets essential goods only during that time.

fritzelly

fr336 wrote: »

"A slap in the face to those who have broken their backs to keep the country running" ain't that the truth. The doctors and nurses saving people's lives, the shop staff keeping people topped up with booze and other luxuries during the worst of lock down.

Then the bars say feck you all we need more money

fr336 wrote: »

Personally I'd have made supermarkets essential goods only during that time.

Christ - you want people locked down and not even able to have a drink - life of the party you

SeaBreezes

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

Looks likely was a lab escapee

fritzelly

SeaBreezes wrote: »

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/world/us/top-us-health-advisor-dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-for-risky-coronavirus-research-report/articleshow/75449844.cms

Looks likely was a lab escapee

Twice you've posted the same dated article in the past few hours

It has been debunked

youandme13

fritzelly wrote: »

Then the bars say feck you all we need more money




Christ - you want people locked down and not even able to have a drink - life of the party you

Well in South Africa's lockdown they weren't allowed buy alcohol or smokes, they had a day or two to stock up for the length of lockdown. Alcohol is not essential.

deathbomber

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

And what is your expertise? What do you do for a living - your talking crap mate!

fritzelly

youandme13 wrote: »

Well in South Africa's lockdown they weren't allowed buy alcohol or smokes, they had a day or two to stock up for the length of lockdown. Alcohol is not essential.

Is that best example you can come up with? South Africa is nothing like Ireland or many other countries

lukas8888

ShineOn7 wrote: »

God help the lad. Not only did he have to see 3 months of sacrifice scoffed at, he also had to talk to Brendan O'Connor



Full article here https://www.thejournal.ie/drinking-crowds-dublin-5141940-Jul2020/

What sacrifice,he is a GP,and head of a Doctors representative union,not exactly front line.Brendan O Connor did not present this mornings show.

owlbethere

Just learned of someone I know who tested positive for the virus. Only tested because they work in a hospital. Had no symptoms except for a light cold.

I'm baffled by this virus. How it's hitting some people more than others.

The pathogen from this virus is targeting ace2 receptors. Apparently there's ace2 receptors in fat cells. I wonder if it's something to do with the amount of fat on someone's body? The person I know who works in a hospital and had light symptoms, there isn't a bit of fat on them.

ACitizenErased

HSE Daily Operations Update

21 in hospital, increase of 1 since yesterday.
10 in ICU, decrease of 1.
No change in ventilations at 7.

Rob A. Bank

Deleted User wrote: »

We don’t know it started with one infected person. For all we know 100 people in Wuhan may have made contact with the infected bat(s). Also we certainly know that the spread in Ireland did not start with one infected person. Almost 500 cases associated with travel, the majority of which arrived in March, not to mention the countless other who were asymptomatic or could not get a test in the early days. I would put a conservative estimate at 1,000 seed cases in Ireland from abroad.Will be much easier to control and trace from our current position

I'm not sure where you get your information from.

They have been able to identify patient zero for some of the recent epidemics caused by bat viruses jumping across the species barriers, and they started with one person.

The MERS epidemic started with a 60 year old man in Saudi Arabia who was infected by his camel, who had been bitten by a bat.

A Ebola epidemic patient zero was a 2 year old child in Guinea, Africa, playing in a hollow tree with a bat colony in it.

Opinion now suggests that the present bat virus infected an intermediate animal host and then spread to a human.

They are trying to find patient zero for this pandemic and the evidence suggests that it did not start in the wet market in Wohan. The market was a superspreading event but the earliest cases found had no connection to the market.

stephenjmcd

As expected during the weekends little movement with regards to the HSE operations update.

As of 18:30 there were 10 confirmed cases in ICU and 7 on ventilators. 1 less confirmed case than yesterday, 0 deaths reported.

As of 8pm there were 21 cases in general hosptial beds, up 1 on yesterday. Increase of 1 coming from 1 confirmed case in Wexford general

fritzelly

owlbethere wrote: »

Just learned of someone I know who tested positive for the virus. Only tested because they work in a hospital. Had no symptoms except for a light cold.

I'm baffled by this virus. How it's hitting some people more than others.

The pathogen from this virus is targeting ace2 receptors. Apparently there's ace2 receptors in fat cells. I wonder if it's something to do with the amount of fat on someone's body? The person I know who works in a hospital and had light symptoms, there isn't a bit of fat on them.

Are you trying to say the fatter you are the worse the virus?
Unless he is anorexic he has fat cells all over his body as well

There's ACE2 receptors all over your body

s1ippy

fr336 wrote: »

- Group of over 200 scientists demand WHO acknowledge Covid is an airbourne virus which can linger in the air and therefore masks should be compulsory indoors.

That is excellent news, thanks for sharing. If shop workers, office staff and education professionals are advised to wear masks which are supplied by their employers they will all be much safer. Bit late for it but it would be a very positive development.

YellowBucket

owlbethere wrote: »

Just learned of someone I know who tested positive for the virus. Only tested because they work in a hospital. Had no symptoms except for a light cold.

I'm baffled by this virus. How it's hitting some people more than others.

The pathogen from this virus is targeting ace2 receptors. Apparently there's ace2 receptors in fat cells. I wonder if it's something to do with the amount of fat on someone's body? The person I know who works in a hospital and had light symptoms, there isn't a bit of fat on them.

The ACE2 receptors it the virus binds to are in the lining of your lungs, primarily anyway. Fat cells wouldn't have much to do with it.

People with underlying health conditions seem to do worse, and generally things like being overweight, having heart problems, high blood pressure, diabetes etc etc just puts you at more risk generally in a lot of scenarios, not just for COVID-19.

Some of it may also be down to pot luck and genetics too, we don't know though.
A lot of it is speculation. Even most of the papers being quoted by some media and social media sources are often non-peer reviewed, non-published and even just stuff from academic blogs.

There is however some research going on in the UK that will be interesting when it comes out. They're sequencing the genomes of thousands of people who've been hit with this very badly and comparing it with a baseline of the general population.

If there are clear and strong 'signals' that there are some genetic markers that make people more vulnerable, it will likely show up in the next few weeks / couple of months. If it's something more subtle, it will take longer. However, this kind of research (and there are other projects like this going on elsewhere too) should help map who's most or more vulnerable and also which drugs might have the best chance of hitting it.

Snow Garden

owlbethere wrote: »

Just learned of someone I know who tested positive for the virus. Only tested because they work in a hospital. Had no symptoms except for a light cold.

I'm baffled by this virus. How it's hitting some people more than others.

The pathogen from this virus is targeting ace2 receptors. Apparently there's ace2 receptors in fat cells. I wonder if it's something to do with the amount of fat on someone's body? The person I know who works in a hospital and had light symptoms, there isn't a bit of fat on them.

This is like a post from Thread #2