How will schools be able to go back in September?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:21PM

khalessi wrote: »

Give back 20 hours of pay at least I mean ya know why not. Just step up and do what you wrote here teachers should do. Its a sacrifice but like ya know think of the children and its a pandemic. Yada Yada

I'm already working during the summer and have been on site all pandemic.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:21PM

Rodin wrote: »

The idea is that not all teachers and students are there at the same time.
Therefore there's reduced pressure on the room and fewer people around at any one time.

The youngest children are gone from lunch time anyway.

Staff level is not there to do that, so the children might change but same staff all day

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 02:21PM

Rodin wrote: »

60hours done already this week. On site.
I've done enough.

Thanks for using your time off to bash another profession you know very little about. Wouldn't personally be so opinionated about healthcare as I don't work in it or know enough to comment but the same logic has never applied to education. Funny how if someone has been to a school or had kids they think they know it all about education yet I've been to a hospital and would never in my wildest dreams claim to know it all about healthcare.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:22PM

History Queen wrote: »

Rodin wrote: »

Teachers will be within 2 meters for extended time also

Using a blowdryer?

03-07-2020 02:22PM

It's a shame that the most vocal teacher on this thread seems to care a lot more about their holidays/contact hours than the welfare of any of the children they teach.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:23PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm already working during the summer and have been on site all pandemic.

Yes but youve been paid to be onsite and you are suggesting other people do the same for free, so step up and do the same.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:24PM

khalessi wrote: »

Staff level is not there to do that, so the children might change but same staff all day

What you mean is teachers will not change their work times/patterns?

BonsaiKitten · 03-07-2020 02:24PM

I don't think people realise that we don't have huge numbers of teachers in the country. I know of a couple of schools in Dublin who couldn't get teachers to fill maternity leave jobs - this was back in January. My own school struggled to get subs last winter as did many other schools. Where are these hordes of extra teachers to do shift work going to come from?

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:24PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's a shame that the most vocal teacher on this thread seems to care a lot more about their holidays/contact hours than the welfare of any of the children they teach.

Who would that be Dazzler?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:25PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yes but youve been paid to be onsite and you are suggesting other people do the same for free, so step up and do the same.

I'm suggesting teachers work the same hours and have the same leave as everyone else.

They don't presently yet get full time pay. That is the crux of it.

Flexibility is required to deal with a pandemic.
People in other jobs have had to change working hours/times.
Others have been moved to different roles or had to take on new responsibilities.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:25PM

Rodin wrote: »

What you mean is teachers will not change their work times/patterns?

NO I mean the staff is not there. There is a shortage. I am no stranger to shift work did it for years

History Queen · 03-07-2020 02:25PM

Rodin wrote: »

History Queen wrote: »

Using a blowdryer?

Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers.

Boggles · 03-07-2020 02:27PM

Rodin wrote: »

Everyone has to make sacrifices.
The children come first.

Jesus, that post read out of context is disturbing.

:pac:

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:28PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

I don't think people realise that we don't have huge numbers of teachers in the country. I know of a couple of schools in Dublin who couldn't get teachers to fill maternity leave jobs - this was back in January. My own school struggled to get subs last winter as did many other schools. Where are these hordes of extra teachers to do shift work going to come from?

You don't need extra.
You simply don't have everyone there at the same time.

Split the total person-hours differently throughout the day/week/month/year.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 02:29PM

Rodin wrote: »

I'm suggesting teachers work the same hours and have the same leave as everyone else.

They don't presently yet get full time pay. That is the crux of it.

Flexibility is required to deal with a pandemic.
People in other jobs have had to change working hours/times.
Others have been moved to different roles or had to take on new responsibilities.

We are flexible. Predictive grading? Remember that? Remote teaching? And obviously new working conditions in August.

So you want no school holidays and students in school all year round? Just so you can be satisfied that teachers are doing what you deem they should?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:30PM

History Queen wrote: »

Rodin wrote: »

Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers.

Barbers also are generating and spreading biological material through their work.
Beauticians possibly also.

This is not the same for teachers.
But even if you do need a visor, just wear it. Cheap as chips.
ICU staff had to wear FFP3 masks for 12 hour shifts.

It's a new world and we all need to get used to it and step up.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:31PM

Rodin wrote: »

You don't need extra.
You simply don't have everyone there at the same time.

Split the total person-hours differently throughout the day/week/month/year.

Explain how that works for 3 classes at the same level, so 90 students split in half and coming in on two shifts.

So group A in 8am -2pm group B 230pm -830pm. Left a gap for deep clean.

So thats all the way from Junior to 6th class.

Theres 3 teachers at each level and supervision for breaks by these teachers.

Where are the spare teachers?

03-07-2020 02:32PM

Get rid of the social distancing aspect or leave it maximum of 1m. Split the school into pods. It's doable. School open from 8am-8PM. Reduce mixing of students/teachers. Split shifts. Hell, even open on a sat/sun.

We are dealing with far worse in the HSE and making it work

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:32PM

History Queen wrote: »

We are flexible. Predictive grading? Remember that? Remote teaching? And obviously new working conditions in August.

So you want no school holidays and students in school all year round? Just so you can be satisfied that teachers are doing what you deem they should?

Not all year round. Just more of the day/year.
It's one way to get around the social distancing.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 02:33PM

Rodin wrote: »

History Queen wrote: »

Barbers also are generating and spreading biological material through their work.
Beauticians possibly also.

This is not the same for teachers.
But even if you do need a visor, just wear it. Cheap as chips.
ICU staff had to wear FFP3 masks for 12 hour shifts.

It's a new world and we all need to get used to it and step up.

I didn't say anything about not wearing a visor? What are you on about? I clearly said I would do whatever was compliant with oublic health guidelines.

BonsaiKitten · 03-07-2020 02:33PM

Rodin wrote: »

You don't need extra.
You simply don't have everyone there at the same time.

Split the total person-hours differently throughout the day/week/month/year.

Yeah, not happening mate. I am not working 8-8 for the foreseeable future as was suggested earlier on the thread (without planning included, I note). As I said earlier, if they want extra work they can pay me for extra work. I will do a certain amount of it but I won't agree to unreasonable hours.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:34PM

khalessi wrote: »

Explain how that works for 3 classes at the same level, so 90 students split in half and coming in on two shifts.

So group A in 8am -2pm group B 230pm -830pm. Left a gap for deep clean.

So thats all the way from Junior to 6th class.

Theres 3 teachers at each level and supervision for breaks by these teachers.

Where are the spare teachers?

Infants are all done by lunch so you can eliminate them...

03-07-2020 02:35PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Yeah, not happening mate. I am not working 8-8 for the foreseeable future as was suggested earlier on the thread (without planning included, I note). As I said earlier, if they want extra work they can pay me for extra work. I will do a certain amount of it but I won't agree to unreasonable hours.

8am-8pm are social working hours. Try working in healthcare.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:35PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

Yeah, not happening mate. I am not working 8-8 for the foreseeable future as was suggested earlier on the thread (without planning included, I note). As I said earlier, if they want extra work they can pay me for extra work. I will do a certain amount of it but I won't agree to unreasonable hours.

Unreasonable hours! LOL
And there we have it...

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:36PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Get rid of the social distancing aspect or leave it maximum of 1m. Split the school into pods. It's doable. School open from 8am-8PM. Reduce mixing of students/teachers. Split shifts. Hell, even open on a sat/sun.

We are dealing with far worse in the HSE and making it work

Yet again where are the staff coming from?

Each class has one teacher. Split class in half for shift. where is the teacher for each group to do other half. 3 4th classes, 3 teachers, classes split in half

Not being facetious genuinely want to know. We dont have teaching agencies like nursing does to fill the gap.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:37PM

Rodin wrote: »

Infants are all done by lunch so you can eliminate them...

No you cant as you have to split them as there are 32 in the class in my school

khalessi · 03-07-2020 02:37PM

Other question who is minding the children not in school?

BonsaiKitten · 03-07-2020 02:38PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

8am-8pm are social working hours. Try working in healthcare.

And a healthcare professional works every day of the week, do they?

Teachers are not going to work from 8am - 8pm and the Govt aren't stupid enough to implement it unless they want empty classrooms across the country. We already have enough of an exodus to the Middle East for teaching jobs as it is.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 02:38PM

khalessi wrote: »

Yet again where are the staff coming from?

Each class has one teacher. Split class in half for shift. where is the teacher for each group to do other half. 3 4th classes, 3 teachers, classes split in half

Not being facetious genuinely want to know. We dont have teaching agencing like nursing does to fill the gap.

If there are normally 3 classes in the school, each with a teacher, that's 90 pupils on site at once.

Have 3 shifts where each teacher only teaches their class.
Only 30 pupils on site, massively reducing risk.

Any shortfall in hours may need to be made up elsewhere in the year.
The total number of hours worked would remain the same.

03-07-2020 02:40PM

BonsaiKitten wrote: »

And a healthcare professional works every day of the week, do they?

Teachers are not going to work from 8am - 8pm and the Govt aren't stupid enough to implement it unless they want empty classrooms across the country. We already have enough of an exodus to the Middle East for teaching jobs as it is.

Never said that teachers needed to work every day of the week. Just need to be flexible with which hours they work.

I think been available for whatever hours you currently work over the course of 8am-8pm is reasonable in the current climate.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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