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How will schools be able to go back in September?

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  • #4652
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Rodin wrote: »
    Funding comes from the dept but the school decides how it's spent.
    Must have saved a fortune on electricity in past three months. Am I wrong?

    I assume they saved on ESB. I couldn't quantify it for you though. And schools only have limited say on how funding is spent.


  • #4653
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    khalessi wrote: »
    Well the problem with that, it will cost money and the Dept have already said money not there. Or are we working for free like everyone else who stepped up during crisis? Asking for a friend who wants to teach but is scared to.

    Everyone has to make sacrifices.
    The children come first.


  • #4654
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Rodin wrote: »
    Or lengthen the school day/year.

    Or is that a deal breaker?

    When will you be joining us by the way? It's even better when you work more hours on top of all the extra paperwork etc. Maybe all the posters who hate teachers ao much could volunteer to sub teach for these extra days to accommodate numbers? I'd be willing to make the exception for untrained people to work in this environment just to see rodin cope in the reality of a classroom of 34 children during covid 19 times.


  • #4655
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    History Queen wrote: »
    I'd love face shields instead of masks as masks are more difficult to speak through but my understanding is they are not as effective (just a personal comfort point of view). I'll defer to public health advice though re what PPE is necessary if not engaging in social distancing.

    With the pupils masked up you really won't need a visor.

    Visors not being worn in most places.


  • #4656
    [Deleted User]
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    khalessi wrote: »
    Well the problem with that, it will cost money and the Dept have already said money not there. Or are we working for free like everyone else who stepped up during crisis? Asking for a friend who wants to teach but is scared to.

    Why would lengthening the day say from 8AM- 8PM and then having teachers in the school on shift basis (while still keeping same contact hours) be an issue/working for free?


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  • #4657
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Rodin wrote: »
    Everyone has to make sacrifices.
    The children come first.

    Do you feel it becauseI do. I think we are developing a rapport. I knew you wanted teachers workng for free. THis could go somewhere you and I thinking along same lines.

    Children do come first which is why schools should be safe.

    But I will get onto the HCW let them knwo about the sacrifice they will be delighted.

    HEY GUYS!!!! WE ARE ALL WORKING FOR FREE!!!!!!


    I'm feeling in Rodin I really am:D


  • #4658
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    When will you be joining us by the way? It's even better when you work more hours on top of all the extra paperwork etc. Maybe all the posters who hate teachers ao much could volunteer to sub teach for these extra days to accommodate numbers? I'd be willing to make the exception for untrained people to work in this environment just to see rodin cope in the reality of a classroom of 34 children during covid 19 times.

    I've coped with worse.


  • #4659
    History Queen
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    Rodin wrote: »
    With the pupils masked up you really won't need a visor.

    Visors not being worn in most places.

    Can you point me to advice that says this? Happy to follow health advice from professionals. My understanding was we would all need to wear them.


  • #4660
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why would lengthening the day say from 8AM- 8PM and then having teachers in the school on shift basis (while still keeping same contact hours) be an issue working for free?

    Let's see the response to that.


  • #4661
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Rodin wrote: »
    With the pupils masked up you really won't need a visor.

    Visors not being worn in most places.

    Students won't be wearing masks up to age 13 and its not mandatory for over 13s


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  • #4662
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    History Queen wrote: »
    Can you point me to advice that says this? Happy to follow health advice from professionals. My understanding was we would all need to wear them.

    They're not being worn in most areas of hospitals so I've no idea why teachers would need them.
    I haven't seen them worn anywhere I've been recently.


  • #4663
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    Students won't be wearing masks up to age 13 and its not mandatory for over 13s

    Should be made mandatory! That's the point
    Dear lord...


  • #4664
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Rodin wrote: »
    Let's see the response to that.

    So shift work meaning someone else does the other shift? Who? They don't even have the staff to currently teach all classes and they also don't have subs. This will require extra money. Would do 8 to 8 three days a week like medical staff with breaks if they would rather that. But they will need someone to do the other two days so basically it would cost double to staff it.


  • #4665
    History Queen
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Let's see the response to that.

    It doesn't solve the problem of childcare. Most parents won't want their children finishing school at 8pm.

    Cost wise the idea of staggering is to allow more splitting of classes. Who will teach them if contact hours stay the same?


  • #4666
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Rodin wrote: »
    They're not being worn in most areas of hospitals so I've no idea why teachers would need them.
    I haven't seen them worn anywhere I've been recently.

    They are still being worn in A/e and the covid wards.

    Come in and find out why teachers might need them


  • #4667
    History Queen
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    Rodin wrote: »
    They're not being worn in most areas of hospitals so I've no idea why teachers would need them.
    I haven't seen them worn anywhere I've been recently.

    How many small rooms with 30 students a teacher and an SNA have you been in recently?


  • #4668
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Personally I would love to do 3 shifts and be done. Of course all the paperwork could take another full day but not a bad idea. Just find the money for doubling staff in schools and we are sorted.


  • #4669
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    khalessi wrote: »
    They are still being worn in A/e and the covid wards.

    Come in and find out why teachers might need them

    They are not being worn by everyone in Emergency Departments.

    I think it's wise to have them on a Covid ward with patients known to be positive. You will note I did say most parts of the hospital. Not all.


  • #4670
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    History Queen wrote: »
    How many small rooms with 30 students a teacher and an SNA have you been in recently?

    Tell me where I can find one open...

    And 80% of students are not in a class of 30 or more.
    The national average excluding private schools is 24.3


  • #4671
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Rodin wrote: »
    They are not being worn by everyone in Emergency Departments.

    I think it's wise to have them on a Covid ward with patients known to be positive. You will note I did say most parts of the hospital. Not

    Given that hairdressers are required to wear them this is highly irresponsible if it is happening then the medical staff are putting tbr patients at risk. Masks are for the other person more than yourself.


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  • #4672
    History Queen
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Tell me where I can find one open...

    But this is the point. You haven't been in a setting where they might be needed so why would u see them? And I'm not hung up on face shield particularly I am happy to go with whatever public health advice deems necessary.


  • #4673
    Dublingirl80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭Dublingirl80


    Rodin wrote: »
    Tell me where I can find one open...

    And 80% of students are not in a class of 30 or more

    What is it you work at Rodin but the way? You seem to be off on a Friday anyway?


  • #4674
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    What is it you work at Rodin but the way? You seem to be off on a Friday anyway?

    Work in healthcare. Was in on Sunday so get time back today.


  • #4675
    History Queen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,488 ✭✭✭History Queen


    Rodin wrote: »
    Tell me where I can find one open...

    And 80% of students are not in a class of 30 or more.
    The national average excluding private schools is 24.3

    I am in a classroom with those numbers though and I did say I was speaking for myself on that one.

    I had a class with 28 last year. Same point still stands.


  • #4676
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Rodin wrote: »
    Work in healthcare. Was in on Sunday so get time back today.

    You working for free? You should be in today stepping up for free.


  • #4677
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    Rodin wrote: »
    They are not being worn by everyone in Emergency Departments.

    I think it's wise to have them on a Covid ward with patients known to be positive. You will note I did say most parts of the hospital. Not

    Given that hairdressers are required to wear them this is highly irresponsible if it is happening then the medical staff are putting tbr patients at risk. Masks are for the other person more than yourself.

    Hairdressers use blow dryers and are an extended time within 2metres of a client.


  • #4678
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    khalessi wrote: »
    You working for free? You should be in today stepping up for free.

    60hours done already this week. On site.
    I've done enough.


  • #4679
    History Queen
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    Rodin wrote: »
    Dublingirl80 wrote: »

    Hairdressers use blow dryers and are an extended time within 2metres of a client.

    Teachers will be within 2 meters for extended time also


  • #4680
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Rodin wrote: »
    60hours done already this week. On site.
    I've done enough.

    Give back 20 hours of pay at least I mean ya know why not. Just step up and do what you wrote here teachers should do. Its a sacrifice but like ya know think of the children and its a pandemic. Yada Yada


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  • #4681
    Rodin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,130 ✭✭✭Rodin


    Dublingirl80 wrote: »
    So shift work meaning someone else does the other shift? Who? They don't even have the staff to currently teach all classes and they also don't have subs. This will require extra money. Would do 8 to 8 three days a week like medical staff with breaks if they would rather that. But they will need someone to do the other two days so basically it would cost double to staff it.

    The idea is that not all teachers and students are there at the same time.
    Therefore there's reduced pressure on the room and fewer people around at any one time.

    The youngest children are gone from lunch time anyway.


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