khalessi wrote: » Give back 20 hours of pay at least I mean ya know why not. Just step up and do what you wrote here teachers should do. Its a sacrifice but like ya know think of the children and its a pandemic. Yada Yada
Rodin wrote: » The idea is that not all teachers and students are there at the same time. Therefore there's reduced pressure on the room and fewer people around at any one time. The youngest children are gone from lunch time anyway.
Rodin wrote: » 60hours done already this week. On site. I've done enough.
History Queen wrote: » Rodin wrote: » Teachers will be within 2 meters for extended time also Using a blowdryer?
Rodin wrote: » Teachers will be within 2 meters for extended time also
Rodin wrote: » I'm already working during the summer and have been on site all pandemic.
khalessi wrote: » Staff level is not there to do that, so the children might change but same staff all day
Deleted User wrote: » It's a shame that the most vocal teacher on this thread seems to care a lot more about their holidays/contact hours than the welfare of any of the children they teach.
khalessi wrote: » Yes but youve been paid to be onsite and you are suggesting other people do the same for free, so step up and do the same.
Rodin wrote: » What you mean is teachers will not change their work times/patterns?
Rodin wrote: » History Queen wrote: » Using a blowdryer? Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers.
History Queen wrote: » Using a blowdryer?
Rodin wrote: » Everyone has to make sacrifices. The children come first.
BonsaiKitten wrote: » I don't think people realise that we don't have huge numbers of teachers in the country. I know of a couple of schools in Dublin who couldn't get teachers to fill maternity leave jobs - this was back in January. My own school struggled to get subs last winter as did many other schools. Where are these hordes of extra teachers to do shift work going to come from?
Rodin wrote: » I'm suggesting teachers work the same hours and have the same leave as everyone else. They don't presently yet get full time pay. That is the crux of it. Flexibility is required to deal with a pandemic. People in other jobs have had to change working hours/times. Others have been moved to different roles or had to take on new responsibilities.
History Queen wrote: » Rodin wrote: » Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers. Barbers also are generating and spreading biological material through their work. Beauticians possibly also. This is not the same for teachers. But even if you do need a visor, just wear it. Cheap as chips. ICU staff had to wear FFP3 masks for 12 hour shifts. It's a new world and we all need to get used to it and step up.
Rodin wrote: » Obviously not. Barbers and beauticians don't use blowdriers and both clients and professional wear masks. The need for wearing a mask kicks in with increased proximity I thought? I understand that blowdryers add to the risk for hairdressers.
Rodin wrote: » You don't need extra. You simply don't have everyone there at the same time. Split the total person-hours differently throughout the day/week/month/year.
History Queen wrote: » We are flexible. Predictive grading? Remember that? Remote teaching? And obviously new working conditions in August. So you want no school holidays and students in school all year round? Just so you can be satisfied that teachers are doing what you deem they should?
Rodin wrote: » History Queen wrote: » Barbers also are generating and spreading biological material through their work. Beauticians possibly also. This is not the same for teachers. But even if you do need a visor, just wear it. Cheap as chips. ICU staff had to wear FFP3 masks for 12 hour shifts. It's a new world and we all need to get used to it and step up. I didn't say anything about not wearing a visor? What are you on about? I clearly said I would do whatever was compliant with oublic health guidelines.
History Queen wrote: » Barbers also are generating and spreading biological material through their work. Beauticians possibly also. This is not the same for teachers. But even if you do need a visor, just wear it. Cheap as chips. ICU staff had to wear FFP3 masks for 12 hour shifts. It's a new world and we all need to get used to it and step up.
khalessi wrote: » Explain how that works for 3 classes at the same level, so 90 students split in half and coming in on two shifts. So group A in 8am -2pm group B 230pm -830pm. Left a gap for deep clean. So thats all the way from Junior to 6th class. Theres 3 teachers at each level and supervision for breaks by these teachers. Where are the spare teachers?
BonsaiKitten wrote: » Yeah, not happening mate. I am not working 8-8 for the foreseeable future as was suggested earlier on the thread (without planning included, I note). As I said earlier, if they want extra work they can pay me for extra work. I will do a certain amount of it but I won't agree to unreasonable hours.
Deleted User wrote: » Get rid of the social distancing aspect or leave it maximum of 1m. Split the school into pods. It's doable. School open from 8am-8PM. Reduce mixing of students/teachers. Split shifts. Hell, even open on a sat/sun. We are dealing with far worse in the HSE and making it work
Rodin wrote: » Infants are all done by lunch so you can eliminate them...
[Deleted User] wrote: » 8am-8pm are social working hours. Try working in healthcare.
khalessi wrote: » Yet again where are the staff coming from? Each class has one teacher. Split class in half for shift. where is the teacher for each group to do other half. 3 4th classes, 3 teachers, classes split in half Not being facetious genuinely want to know. We dont have teaching agencing like nursing does to fill the gap.
BonsaiKitten wrote: » And a healthcare professional works every day of the week, do they? Teachers are not going to work from 8am - 8pm and the Govt aren't stupid enough to implement it unless they want empty classrooms across the country. We already have enough of an exodus to the Middle East for teaching jobs as it is.
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