How will schools be able to go back in September?

Millem · 03-07-2020 01:12PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I understood that up to 2nd class there is no social distancing and no pods within a class ?

Point number 4 from the guidelines mention pods and 1m distance between pods.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:12PM

History Queen wrote: »

What obstacle did we put in the way? We didn't create Covid?!

The demand to be covid-secure.

Whatever that means...

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:13PM

Rodin wrote: »

The demand to be covid-secure.

Whatever that means...

So you don't know what it means but have decided it is an obstacle?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:13PM

Millem wrote: »

Point number 4 from the guidelines mention pods and 1m distance between pods.

Is that an official document?

I identified four spelling/grammar mistakes in first few lines before I stopped.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:14PM

History Queen wrote: »

So you don't know what it means but have decided it is an obstacle?

Because it is not a defined set of criteria, those criteria are impossible to meet.
An obstacle indeed.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:15PM

Rodin wrote: »

Is that an official document?

I identified four spelling/grammar mistakes in first few lines before I stopped.

Maybe the person who typed it up has dylexia or hit a wrong key.

03-07-2020 01:15PM

It's amazing that everybody goes quiet when the mention of contact hours comes up.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:15PM

khalessi wrote: »

Maybe the person who typed it up has dylexia or hit a wrong key.

Certainly didn't hit 'F7'.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:16PM

Rodin wrote: »

Certainly didn't hit 'F7'.

You're lovely can I be your friend?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's amazing that everybody goes quiet when the mention of contact hours comes up.

The question regarding it and annual leave has yet to be answered.

The best terms and conditions of almost any employee in the country but never done crying about how hard they have it.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:17PM

khalessi wrote: »

You're lovely can I be your friend?

You may not.

Someone too lazy to run a spelling/grammar check should not be giving advice on anything.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:19PM

Rodin wrote: »

You may not.

Awwwww and you seem so lovely and compassionate towards others, It was when you resorted to spelling mistakes I thought Iwant to be friends with the petty person and try and get that chip off their shoulder. Turn that frown upside down.

But seriously why so bitter?

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:21PM

Rodin wrote: »

Because it is not a defined set of criteria, those criteria are impossible to meet.
An obstacle indeed.

I've posted this aready but essentially this is the position of most teachers:

Quick summary:
Teachers want to go back to work in as normal a fashion as possible given the situation we are in

Teachers want to go back to work in line with public health guidelines

Teachers are not refusing to work

Teachers are not looking for extra money for themselves but are looking for the Department to fund schools adequately so that they can follow public health advice

Teachers have been working from March 12th up to the official school holidays

Teachers and individual schools cannot and will not decide when and how schools will open, that is the remit of the Department of Education

Many teachers are parents too and acutely aware of the childcare issues involved

All other workplaces have increased health and safety measures in place depending on their circumstances, whether that be perspex screens/new work place protocols/social distancing/time limits/PPE etc.

What exactly is your problem with this? I'm assuming this is what is meant by the term covid secure but I'm not sure.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:22PM

khalessi wrote: »

Awwwww and you seem so lovely and compassionate towards others, It was when you resorted to spelling mistakes I thought Iwant to be friends with the petty person and try and get that chip off their shoulder. Turn that frown upside down.

But seriously why so bitter?

Not bitter at all.

Forceful of opinion I would say.

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:23PM

Rodin wrote: »

Not bitter at all.

Forceful of opinion I would say.

No, didnt get that all but ok if you say so

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:23PM

History Queen wrote: »

I've posted this aready but essentially this is the position of most teachers:

Quick summary:
Teachers want to go back to work in as normal a fashion as possible given the situation we are in

Teachers want to go back to work in line with public health guidelines

Teachers are not refusing to work

Teachers are not looking for extra money for themselves but are looking for the Department to fund schools adequately so that they can follow public health advice

Teachers have been working from March 12th up to the official school holidays

Teachers and individual schools cannot and will not decide when and how schools will open, that is the remit of the Department of Education

Many teachers are parents too and acutely aware of the childcare issues involved

All other workplaces have increased health and safety measures in place depending on their circumstances, whether that be perspex screens/new work place protocols/social distancing/time limits/PPE etc.

What exactly is your problem with this? I'm assuming this is what is meant by the term covid secure but I'm not sure.

Unless there's a clear definition then there can be no meeting the standard.
If the unions want something from government then they need to give a CLEAR set of terms... not waffle. No 'more this' and 'less that.'

KaneToad · 03-07-2020 01:23PM

Rodin wrote: »

You may not.

Someone too lazy to run a spelling/grammar check should not be giving advice on anything.

A bit harsh.

But I would agree that if you are the person charged with producing a document for public dissemination you should have the ability to ensure the spelling/grammar is correct.

And before anyone jumps on me, my rants on boards.ie are not comparable to an official document.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:25PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

The Government made a huge mistake by not keeping schools open for frontline workers . In the UK they did and a rota of teachers and SNAs looked after the kids in the schools . It worked really well according to a friend of mine and the frontline workers could go to work knowing the children were looked after
Frontline workers here were let down badly in this regard

Oh yeah the uk has done so well and are a great example, only what was it close to 50000 deaths?????

khalessi · 03-07-2020 01:26PM

Rodin wrote: »

You may not.

Someone too lazy to run a spelling/grammar check should not be giving advice on anything.

I would presume the person giving the advice did not type it up. Normally they dont, they have secretaries and possibly missed the spelling error. It happens in all walks of life. So don't be harsh.

s1ippy · 03-07-2020 01:29PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It's amazing that everybody goes quiet when the mention of contact hours comes up.

AFAIK secondary schools have 8h per day where students attend, 5d pw so that's 40h each week for teachers on a full contract. They also have to do an additional 33h unpaid each year where the work will be outlined by the school management (not their own planning etc).

Primary schools have 6h per day, 5d pw and Croke Park hours add on an additional 36h per year of course work and CPD assigned by management.

Millem · 03-07-2020 01:31PM

Rodin wrote: »

Is that an official document?

I identified four spelling/grammar mistakes in first few lines before I stopped.

Yes it is from this link.

https://www.education.ie/en/covid-19/interim-recommendations-for-the-reopening-of-schools-and-educational-facilities.pdf

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:31PM

Rodin wrote: »

Unless there's a clear definition then there can be no meeting the standard.
If the unions want something from government then they need to give a CLEAR set of terms... not waffle. No 'more this' and 'less that.'

I don't know where the term came from to be honest and agree that it doesn't help. Don't know who coined it or why.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:33PM

khalessi wrote: »

I would presume the person giving the advice did not type it up. Normally they dont, they have secretaries and possibly missed the spelling error. It happens in all walks of life. So don't be harsh.

If you can't type correctly initially, the spell check is there.
It even underlines the mistakes in colour as one types! Then there's F7.

I just realised boards.ie uses American English.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:33PM

If teachers refuse to work in a room without Distancing/ safety measures/ hygiene standards etc then the country will be in a much worse position. Personally I'd rather work somewhere with safety measures come September. What if every teacher who did not wish to work in these unsafe work conditions was granted unpaid health and safety leave? My guess is a good portion would be out. And good luck to all the posters here then they can train up and become a teacher if they think it's so great. They are more than welcome to join and there is plenty of space. Hope you enjoy working in the only workplace with no covid19 health ans safety measures in place.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:36PM

s1ippy wrote: »

AFAIK secondary schools have 8h per day where students attend, 5d pw so that's 40h each week for teachers on a full contract. They also have to do an additional 33h unpaid each year where the work will be outlined by the school management (not their own planning etc).

Primary schools have 6h per day, 5d pw and Croke Park hours add on an additional 36h per year of course work and CPD assigned by management.

So teachers have 40 hours contact time from Monday to Friday?
I think you'll find they fall far short of that.

I certainly was never in school from 9-5 Monday to Friday.
Have things changed?

s1ippy · 03-07-2020 01:37PM

Rodin wrote: »

So teachers have 40 hours contact time from Monday to Friday?
I think you'll find they fall far short of that.

I certainly was never in school from 9-5 Monday to Friday.
Have things changed?

I've no idea.

How is this relevant to covid?

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:37PM

Dublingirl80 wrote: »

If teachers refuse to work in a room without Distancing/ safety measures/ hygiene standards etc then the country will be in a much worse position. Personally I'd rather work somewhere with safety measures come September. What if every teacher who did not wish to work in these unsafe work conditions was granted unpaid health and safety leave? My guess is a good portion would be out. And good luck to all the posters here then they can train up and become a teacher if they think it's so great. They are more than welcome to join and there is plenty of space. Hope you enjoy working in the only workplace with no covid19 health ans safety measures in place.

Plenty of space?
Not the impression I'm getting from the unions.

Rodin · 03-07-2020 01:38PM

s1ippy wrote: »

I've no idea.

How is this relevant to covid?

You've no idea?
YOU made the claim!

The relevance to Covid is in lengthening the school day/year to something akin to the hours most people work.

Dublingirl80 · 03-07-2020 01:38PM

Rodin wrote: »

So teachers have 40 hours contact time from Monday to Friday?
I think you'll find they fall far short of that.

So should they add the preparation of resources, written fortnightly and yearly plans, assessment, report writing, record keeping, parent teacher meetings, meetings, paperwork, etc to overtime then? Or should we just ditch all the legally required paperwork done in all those extra hours? Oh and proper lunch breaks would also be nice thanks! Like all other staff in other jobs.

History Queen · 03-07-2020 01:39PM

Rodin wrote: »

Plenty of space?
Not the impression I'm getting from the unions.

The teacher shortage is well documented

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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