Masks

Wibbs · 02-07-2020 03:28PM

Yes: other

polesheep wrote: »

I think you need to appreciate what anxiety can do to people. And for some reason it seems to be very prevalent these days.

I'm fully aware of what anxiety can do to people, but if a significant proportion of your population is anxious to that degree then something in your society needs serious attention, because something is not right.

joeguevara · 02-07-2020 03:28PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I've long suspected that most of the resistance to masks is almost entirely down to "I dont want to look like a gobsh1te/different to anyone else" and anxiety and claustrophobia. Even if tomorrow every single expert and medical body on the planet showed masks reduced your risk of catching any respiratory virus to zero, it would take a while to shift the first reason for resistance and longer for the second as the easily spooked would be looking for "medical reasons" from their GP to avoid them. Literally billions of East Asians don't seem to have any problem, but apparently a large proportion of the Irish psyche can't handle it, or have "medical issues" that your Asians(and many Europeans) don't. Well East Asian cultures don't have the embarrassment as there are social pressures going the other way to wear them. And as humans are social animals and herd creatures that covers that.

Pretty much. Unless you have an actual medical condition like an autistic child or actually compromised lungs it's down to practice. I've worn P3 half face respirators down the years for various don't want to get poisoned reasons and they do restrict airflow to achieve that level of filtration, and yes initially your reptile brain is going "ah here sunshine, what gives??" but after a few goes it goes silent and you get very quickly used to it. And I'm a smoker so hardly have the lungs of Usain Bolt. At surgical mask level filtration level the breathing resistance is bugger all and almost all in the mind.

When we allow any fear of what someone looks like or how they are perceived in a fashion sense to have any implication on public health issues then we have lost.

polesheep · 02-07-2020 03:29PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Maybe, but I've long suspected that most of the resistance to masks is almost entirely down to "I dont want to look like a gobsh1te/different to anyone else" and anxiety and claustrophobia. Even if tomorrow every single expert and medical body on the planet showed masks reduced your risk of catching any respiratory virus to zero, it would take a while to shift the first reason for resistance and longer for the second as the easily spooked would be looking for "medical reasons" from their GP to avoid them. Literally billions of East Asians don't seem to have any problem, but apparently a large proportion of the Irish psyche can't handle it, or have "medical issues" that your Asians(and many Europeans) don't. Well East Asian cultures don't have the embarrassment as there are social pressures going the other way to wear them. And as humans are social animals and herd creatures that covers that.

Pretty much. Unless you have an actual medical condition like an autistic child or actually compromised lungs it's down to practice. I've worn P3 half face respirators down the years for various don't want to get poisoned reasons and they do restrict airflow to achieve that level of filtration, and yes initially your reptile brain is going "ah here sunshine, what gives??" but after a few goes it goes silent and you get very quickly used to it. And I'm a smoker so hardly have the lungs of Usain Bolt. At surgical mask level filtration level the breathing resistance is bugger all and almost all in the mind.

True, but the mind is very powerful. You really can't tell a person who genuinely feels that they are having difficulty breathing that they are all right and expect them to just get on with it. Also, practice is not always enough. As I said above, I wear a mask for a hobby, it is essential if I want to prevent damage to my lungs. I've been doing so for years but I still cannot keep it on for more than about five minutes at a time. I know it's irrational but I have never been able to overcome the irrationality.

GreeBo · 02-07-2020 03:29PM

Yes: other

weldoninhio wrote: »

Nobody who is anxious will be made to wear a mask to use public transport. I'd get a letter from your doctor and just keep it with you. I very much doubt this will be policed in any serious way.

Why on earth not?
When does your anxiety trump my right to not be infected?

polesheep · 02-07-2020 03:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

You totally are but I am used to that

If you are used to being misunderstood, you should consider how you express yourself. Why so argumentative?

Beasty · 02-07-2020 03:30PM

No: I don't care enough

Threads merged

o1s1n · 02-07-2020 03:31PM

Yes: other

Are people actually afraid to wear masks because they don't want to 'look like an eejit?'

Handy thing about that folks, with a mask on - nobody can see who you are!

Kind of solves itself.

khalessi · 02-07-2020 03:31PM

Yes: surgical

polesheep wrote: »

If you are used to being misunderstood, you should consider how you express yourself. Why so argumentative?

I an not being argumentative but it is not the first time you have misunderstood me which is what I am referring to.

Stop derailing thread

polesheep · 02-07-2020 03:31PM

Wibbs wrote: »

I'm fully aware of what anxiety can do to people, but if a significant proportion of your population is anxious to that degree then something in your society needs serious attention, because something is not right.

I agree with you. The high number of anxious people today warrants investigation.

khalessi · 02-07-2020 03:32PM

Yes: surgical

So the op is actually under 21 from his posts guys and suffering from anxiety. I think if we cant help we should take our discussions elsewhere but the goal was to help him and I think the thread is being moved from away from that

polesheep · 02-07-2020 03:35PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Why on earth not?
When does your anxiety trump my right to not be infected?

Anxiety can be a very serious medical illness. It's not an affectation.

Electric Sheep · 02-07-2020 03:58PM

polesheep wrote: »

Anxiety can be a very serious medical illness. It's not an affectation.

It can be a medical issue, but it is more often an affectation. Particularly when it manifests as embarrassment at taking precautions that everyone else is taking.

sheepsh4gger · 02-07-2020 04:32PM

My prediction is that 2 weeks from now the number of cases will increase and they will roll back the loosening of restrictions.
My second prediction is that the true _second_ _wave_ will hit in mid to late September when everyone goes back to school/work after summer is over.

Screencap this and we'll see who was right.

polesheep · 02-07-2020 04:39PM

Electric Sheep wrote: »

It can be a medical issue, but it is more often an affectation. Particularly when it manifests as embarrassment at taking precautions that everyone else is taking.

Thank you doctor.

xhomelezz · 02-07-2020 08:07PM

Yes: valved

This thread is becoming a mess, seriously. Plenty trolling and it looks like plenty people need a medical help. So please ring your GP's and get the letters to excuse you from wearing any kind of face coverings and sorted.

Away With The Fairies · 02-07-2020 08:57PM

Yes: valved

So I found out online that a face shield protects the wearer and gives them 96% protection. A face shield may not protect others though because droplets can still get out from under and the sides.

I was going to wear a face shield in rainy weather hoping it keeps my face and mask dry but if it gives more protection, I might be better going with both all the time while I'm out.

Am I wasting my time with both though? My housemates couldn't give two fcuks about this and they can pick it up and bring it into the house. So what's the point?

McGiver · 02-07-2020 09:24PM

No: I don't care enough

xhomelezz wrote:

This thread is becoming a mess, seriously. Plenty trolling and it looks like plenty people need a medical help. So please ring your GP's and get the letters to excuse you from wearing any kind of face coverings and sorted.

No no no - we won't mandate masks because we believe in personal responsibility and all that.

Personal responsibility in a country where many responsible people don't wash their hands after pissing or worse. Or country where alcohol isn't available in the shop in the morning and at night otherwise the responsible people would get wasted en masse.

Riiiight!

Jim_Hodge · 02-07-2020 09:33PM

Yes: homemade

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So I found out online that a face shield protects the wearer and gives them 96% protection. A face shield may not protect others though because droplets can still get out from under and the sides.

I was going to wear a face shield in rainy weather hoping it keeps my face and mask dry but if it gives more protection, I might be better going with both all the time while I'm out.

Am I wasting my time with both though? My housemates couldn't give two fcuks about this and they can pick it up and bring it into the house. So what's the point?

I've said it before....

You need need new housemates or a new house.

McGiver · 02-07-2020 09:44PM

No: I don't care enough

Today's Irish Independent:
45% people didn't reply calls made to check on their location where they self-isolate for 14 days as required when coming from abroad.

The remaining 55% can of course sit on the beach and lie they're at home self-isolating. So it doesn't matter. The self-isolation isn't mandated, noncompliance can't be enforced or fined so it's pointless anyway. Contact tracing?

L-O-L if someone still believes this gov.. Erm.. the new gov can do any tracing at all if they can't police quarantine for passengers.

Let's see how this goes on lads.

With no masks anywhere to be seen, almost everything back to business as usual, I expect spikes rather pronto via imported cases. As I said let's talk late August and September.

Global cases - 10.6M as of today - this week's increase has been the highest so far +700k cases.

Away With The Fairies · 02-07-2020 09:50PM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

Today's Irish Independent:
45% people didn't reply calls made to check on their location where they self-isolate for 14 days as required when coming from abroad.

The remaining 55% can of course sit on the beach and lie they're at home self-isolating. So it doesn't matter. The self-isolation isn't mandated, noncompliance can't be enforced or fined so it's pointless anyway.

Let's see how this goes on lads.

With no masks anywhere to be seen, almost everything back to business as usual, I expect spikes rather pronto via imported cases. As I said let's talk late August and September.

Global cases - 10.6M as of today - this week's increase has been the highest so far +700k cases.

The whole thing is highly fcuked up.

rubadub · 02-07-2020 09:59PM

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

I went outside. No social distancing. Also the streets are busy as hell, out of maybe 60 people I saw:
1 guy wearing a cloth mask
2 people who coughed in public without covering their mouth when I passed them.
The normies think this is now over.

did you question any of them? they might be in grave fear of covid but even more strongly in fear of the knackers you reckon might kick the living shite out of people for wearing masks.

This time with style · 02-07-2020 10:06PM

I'm seeing more and more people being careless and throwing caution to the wind now. I think they just couldn't be arsed with it anymore and would just rather forget about it and move on. Unfortunately there's a bad second wave coming I'd say.

everlast75 · 03-07-2020 07:19AM

This time with style wrote: »

I'm seeing more and more people being careless and throwing caution to the wind now. I think they just couldn't be arsed with it anymore and would just rather forget about it and move on. Unfortunately there's a bad second wave coming I'd say.

I think there are a number of factors contributing to this.

If the government had been firm on the issue of masks months ago when it was clear that all objective evidence proved that they made a difference, I think that would have helped considerably. I believe, for political reasons, they did not want to be seen to be putting people to the hassle (and it is hassle, albeit completely worth it). When the deal was on the table with FF, then the press opp of the 3 FG lads in masks made the news.

However, there are, in society, those that as a previous poster said, don't wash their hands after going to the loo, or women who smoke while pregnant, or men who smoke in cars with their kids, people who let their dogs sh1t on the ground and walk off, people who fly tip, people who skip queues, people who don't put seatbelts on their kids.. you know the sort of people I mean. People who don't give a **** about anyone but themselves. They are the people who won't wear a mask regardless. But other people who do care, should have been told unequivocally to mask up.

CalamariFritti · 03-07-2020 07:29AM

Seanergy wrote: »

That bogus article supplies numbers given to a reporter journalist for just Aldi and Lidl, Super Value did not provide numbers, neither did Dunnes or Tesco, once again not all and not all big. Your posting sloppy opinion and presenting it as fact.

There is no source for your claims. I want to stay on topic and not be having to pull you up for BS'ing on thread.

Bogus article. Opinion. Ok Sean, we'll leave it at that. Mask away.

dfx- · 03-07-2020 09:26AM

No: other

sheepsh4gger wrote: »

My prediction is that 2 weeks from now the number of cases will increase and they will roll back the loosening of restrictions.
My second prediction is that the true _second_ _wave_ will hit in mid to late September when everyone goes back to school/work after summer is over.

Screencap this and we'll see who was right.

if we had a cent for every "in two weeks it will be worse" and "the second wave", the streets could be paved with gold.

It's the bogeyman that never has to go away. No matter what happens, "in two weeks" it will be worse.

Seanergy · 03-07-2020 10:28AM

Yes: valved

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Bogus article. Opinion. Ok Sean, we'll leave it at that. Mask away.

Here's a little side note from the author of said article.

At no point in the article did we advocate not wearing masks in supermarkets. Many of the workers in these shops wear masks while they work as part of the precautions introduced by the shops.

Article is bogus. Unless all the staff were tested, which they were not, it is incorrect to say that they evaded the virus. You have heard of asymptomatic, have you not.

fr336 · 03-07-2020 11:06AM

Yes: surgical

What's up with Scotland making face coverings compulsory in shops? It's almost like they want to get rid of the virus and return to fully normal life rather than stop and start local lockdowns, social distancing and all the other crap England seems determined to carry on with because they they're above the whole mask thing. England's policy: "Why think about tomorrow when there's a pint in it today?"

fr336 · 03-07-2020 11:11AM

Yes: surgical

As someone who suffers from extreme anxiety myself, I find the we can't wear masks because people may get anxious argument laughable. Sure if it's coming from anxious people themselves, but 80-90% of society is not anxious at all. Probably more. So what's their excuse? It's all about the herd and not wanting to stand out - I guarantee if mask wearing reached a certain %, the rest of the population would fall in line. It is tragic that even in a once in a lifetime pandemic what scares people more than anything else is looking strange. So much for the western notion of the individual

Away With The Fairies · 03-07-2020 12:01PM

Yes: valved

fr336 wrote: »

As someone who suffers from extreme anxiety myself, I find the we can't wear masks because people may get anxious argument laughable. Sure if it's coming from anxious people themselves, but 80-90% of society is not anxious at all. Probably more. So what's their excuse? It's all about the herd and not wanting to stand out - I guarantee if mask wearing reached a certain %, the rest of the population would fall in line. It is tragic that even in a once in a lifetime pandemic what scares people more than anything else is looking strange. So much for the western notion of the individual

Young lady on the St. James documentary who had brittle asthma which is a severe form of asthma and she was wearing a mask.

There is very little excuse if someone like that can wear a mask.

odyssey06 · 03-07-2020 01:11PM

I felt self-conscious when I first started wearing the mask into shops etc also don't think I quite had them adjusted right which may have been a factor.
But give it a few goes, find a mask \ covering that fits best for you.

Now that I've gotten used to them, it's not much hassle, but there was a "getting used to them" phase for sure.

And on the anxiety subject, some shy people might quite like the extra 'shield' it provides them socially.

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