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  • #4112
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    South Koreans finding the ongoing mask policy a challenge.
    The onset of summer has sparked a rise in incidents of “mask rage” in South Korea, as more hot and bothered commuters either refuse to wear face coverings or leave parts of their faces exposed.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/01/south-korea-incidents-of-covid-19-mask-rage-flareas-summer-heats-up


  • #4113
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,512 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    is_that_so wrote: »
    South Koreans finding the ongoing mask policy a challenge.

    No they aren't.
    Police said they had recorded 840 fights in June, many of them involving bus drivers who remonstrated with passengers who refused to mask-up, according to the Yonhap news agency.

    All but one of the 43 perpetrators facing legal action were men, Yonhap said, adding that most were in their 50s and 60s.

    43 cases of legal action out of a population of 50 million?


  • #4114
    Neyite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,948 ✭✭✭✭Neyite


    Yes: valved
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I see a blogger advocating knitted facemasks. Is that not an absurd and dangerous activity?


    Yes. They are an idiot.


  • #4115
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    McGiver wrote: »
    There's no herd immunity to coronaviruses in general. Coronaviruses cause about 30% of all common colds (the other causes being rhinoviruses etc) - yet there's no herd immunity to common cold and common cold has not been eradicated, the coronaviruses are in circulation. This will very likely apply for Sars-cov-2 as it's a coronavirus as well.
    The virus won't die sway that just won't happen.

    Also, immune response to common cold coronaviruses lasts 1 to 2 years max, it is not known how long immunity will infection with Sars-cov-2 grant, but very likely it will be short, there are some studies so far showing quite weak immune response.
    Herd immunity won't happen anytime soon.

    Vaccine will take at least a year.

    If you say numbers are too low to justify masks - are you aware of resumed international travel? The whole world is infested. Cases will be imported and initiate new outbreaks given there is no mandatory quarantine regime for incoming passengers.

    Saying "don't do anything, numbers are low" is absolutely complacent and bereft of common sense risk management. It's like saying "don't do anything with a fire in your living room, it's small" - wait for their fire to engulf the whole house by when you will have no chance of extinguishing it!

    Well, your fear mongering luckily won't result in masks becoming mandatory. This post is just based on so many assumptions, I will again make the point about our data trends the past few weeks. I think you are too worried about the UK, Brazil and the US to focus on the Irish situation but let me tell you that we have "effectively extinguished" the virus from the community and this is reflected in our "astonishingly stable" numbers.

    This advice isn't just to you but also to the other hypochondriacs in the pro-mandatory mask camp; spend less time online and consume less information from the media on the covid virsus as I can see it is having a damaging impact on you all. Once you do this, you will see that there is a huge amount of people back out on the streets of Ireland getting back to normal. It will do wonders for your mental health, trust me.

    This thread has run it's course for me; I won't be swayed, neither will you; and no one who can make the decisions will be swayed either from the same points we are making over and over to each other.


  • #4116
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    I went outside. No social distancing. Also the streets are busy as hell, out of maybe 60 people I saw:
    1 guy wearing a cloth mask
    2 people who coughed in public without covering their mouth when I passed them.
    The normies think this is now over.


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  • #4117
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    I went outside. No social distancing. Also the streets are busy as hell, out of maybe 60 people I saw:
    1 guy wearing a cloth mask
    2 people who coughed in public without covering their mouth when I passed them.
    The normies think this is now over.

    What is a "normie"?


  • #4118
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    Assetbacked wrote:
    Well, your fear mongering luckily won't result in masks becoming mandatory. This post is just based on so many assumptions, I will again make the point about our data trends the past few weeks. I think you are too worried about the UK, Brazil and the US to focus on the Irish situation but let me tell you that we have "effectively extinguished" the virus from the community and this is reflected in our "astonishingly stable" numbers.
    No, we didn't. Coronaviruses don't die. It's impossible to eradicate this sort of a virus without vaccination. You just repeat the Gov PR without any sort of critical thinking - typical for 50% of the population. The PR comes from the same "experts" who were OK to let flights from Milan coming until April.
    Assetbacked wrote:
    This advice isn't just to you but also to the other hypochondriacs in the pro-mandatory mask camp; spend less time online and consume less information from the media on the covid virsus as I can see it is having a damaging impact on you all. Once you do this, you will see that there is a huge amount of people back out on the streets of Ireland getting back to normal. It will do wonders for your mental health, trust me.
    Your assumptions. This is not the reality. People are back in streets sure and the cases will go up again. As they did everywhere where restrictions were lifted so far.
    Assetbacked wrote:
    This thread has run it's course for me; I won't be swayed, neither will you; and no one who can make the decisions will be swayed either from the same points we are making over and over to each other.
    Time to leave then. If you're not swayed you're selfish. Masks are to protect others. If you have no interest protecting others then that's my only conclusion.


  • #4119
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    What I don't get about the people advocating for masks is the irrationality of it. Irrational suggested by the actual numbers/statistics.

    So we have new cases in single figures. Active cases under 200 or so. Nationwide.
    Also its safe to assume that the vast vast majority if not all of the people with it are actually self isolating at home.

    We have been out in the supermarkets for months during the 'height' of the Irish crisis with no supermarket staff getting infected.

    I get it that it would make people more conformable in confined spaces like a bus. But other than that what's the big deal here?
    Are we really advocating making masks mandatory based on some minuscule statistical risk?

    So what are you protecting yourselves from? Or others or whatever? Is there a chance... Just consider it for a moment before hammering back at me. Is there a chance that you guys are just freaked out a bit more so than having rational thoughts on the matter?


  • #4120
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,092 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    What I don't get about the people advocating for masks is the irrationality of it. Irrational suggested by the actual numbers/statistics.

    So we have new cases in single figures. Active cases under 200 or so. Nationwide.
    Also its safe to assume that the vast vast majority if not all of the people with it are actually self isolating at home.

    We have been out in the supermarkets for months during the 'height' of the Irish crisis with no supermarket staff getting infected.

    I get it that it would make people more conformable in confined spaces like a bus. But other than that what's the big deal here?
    Are we really advocating making masks mandatory based on some minuscule statistical risk?

    So what are you protecting yourselves from? Or others or whatever? Is there a chance... Just consider it for a moment before hammering back at me. Is there a chance that you guys are just freaked out a bit more so than having rational thoughts on the matter?

    No one is freaked out. And to find answers for your questions, try to read through the posts..


  • #4121
    CalamariFritti
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,317 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    I've read through the posts that's how I arrived at my question.

    People are on about all sorts of things. How asymptomatic people may be this and that. Studies how droplets could do xyz. How such and such a people may not be immune despite so and so. People get caught in all sorts of detail, most of it negative. It seems to build up a scare scenario in their heads where rationality goes out the window. Like the fact that the statistical risk is abolsutely minimal. Negligible.

    Edit They seem to believe anything that says could, may be, no prove that it isn't etc. But when someone points out the obvious its always 'where is your peer reviewed facts based study on that?'


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  • #4122
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    Would masks stop infections spreading in mass gatherings such a concerts or sporting events?


  • #4123
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,537 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Saw a few buses going past today everyone looked to have masks on, so I am guessing it must be being enforced now?


  • #4124
    SleetAndSnow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,755 ✭✭✭SleetAndSnow


    No: other
    gmisk wrote: »
    Saw a few buses going past today everyone looked to have masks on, so I am guessing it must be being enforced now?

    Used a mask for the first time today in Cork City. Most of the people on the bus were wearing masks, however the bus driver on the way in was not and a few people on the bus were not. Looking at other busses driving past, same thing. Some bus drivers were others weren't and I'd say about 60-70% of passengers were.

    First time wearing one so found it a bit strange, getting the fitting right and figuring out what to do if you get a itch where the mask is covering so probably should have trialled it first but all in all it was definitely bearable


  • #4125
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    gmisk wrote: »
    Saw a few buses going past today everyone looked to have masks on, so I am guessing it must be being enforced now?

    Nope not yet, few more wearing them but on some buses its still non existant


  • #4126
    McGiver
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,492 ✭✭✭McGiver


    No: I don't care enough
    CalamariFritti wrote:
    What I don't get about the people advocating for masks is the irrationality of it. Irrational suggested by the actual numbers/statistics.
    Repeat with me:

    R.I.S.K
    M.A.N.A.G.E.M.E.N.T

    You may need to Google the term. It's a fully rational approach, as opposed to your notion.


  • #4127
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    CalamariFritti wrote: »
    What I don't get about the people advocating for masks is the irrationality of it. Irrational suggested by the actual numbers/statistics.

    We have been out in the supermarkets for months during the 'height' of the Irish crisis with no supermarket staff getting infected.

    Pure BS.


  • #4128
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,474 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Yes: to protect myself and others
    Bought a 3 layer mask from the pharmacy for €13. It can be a bit stuffy!

    Have left it a bit late if course, but planning to take a bus tomorrow, so thought it'd be best.


  • #4129
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,653 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    Would masks stop infections spreading in mass gatherings such a concerts or sporting events?

    they significantly reduce spread, especially if the infected person / people, who might be asymptomatic and not know they are infected, is wearing one


  • #4130
    tonysopprano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    Anyone else notice the small print on the masks available in Lidl, that states

    "Not for surgical use/ Not to be used as PPE"

    Now as to the first, common sense, but with government telling us that we MUST wear PPE, bit of a scam selling this

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • #4131
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    they are actual surgical masks but cant legally say so


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  • #4132
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    Not uncommon in the masks now available. The government has not said we should wear PPE, they said face coverings.


  • #4133
    tonysopprano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    khalessi wrote: »
    they are actual surgical masks but cant legally say so


    If they were qualified as surgical masks, it would state so. They want us to spend money at home, as opposed to overseas, so force us to buy sh1t and expect us to feel good about it.

    Advertising standards in EU mean you cannot claim something does this. if it doesn't.

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • #4134
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    tonysopprano wrote: »
    If they were qualified as surgical masks, it would state so. They want us to spend money at home, as opposed to overseas, so force us to buy sh1t and expect us to feel good about it.

    Advertising standards in EU mean you cannot claim something does this. if it doesn't.

    They may well be medical mask specifications but they can't sell them as such.
    Not sure what your issue is, to be honest. They are probably better than advertised , as they are actually not claiming anything.


  • #4135
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    tonysopprano wrote: »
    If they were qualified as surgical masks, it would state so. They want us to spend money at home, as opposed to overseas, so force us to buy sh1t and expect us to feel good about it.

    Advertising standards in EU mean you cannot claim something does this. if it doesn't.

    They are 3 ply and they are surgical masks and could be worn in a hospital but becuase they are not being sold in a medical outlet they cant be sold as such. Its a legal thing.


  • #4136
    tonysopprano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    But you are ok with our UNELECTED government requiring them for public transport, air travel, etc. Wait till 25th and suddenly see that "face coverings are illegal"

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • #4137
    tonysopprano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    khalessi wrote: »
    They are 3 ply and they are surgical masks and could be worn in a hospital but becuase they are not being sold in a medical outlet they cant be sold as such. Its a legal thing.

    3ply does not make them surgical.

    Qualifications for masks depend on what they stop.

    Example N95 stop 95%

    Cotton/Kitchenroll/toiletroll etc stop NOTHING

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • #4138
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Yes: surgical
    tonysopprano wrote: »
    3ply does not make them surgical.

    Qualifications for masks depend on what they stop.

    Example N95 stop 95%

    Cotton/Kitchenroll/toiletroll etc stop NOTHING

    When they came out first they had printed on them these masks are not sold as mediacl standard masks They are CE certified in accordance with PPE requirements. A legal thing. THey were talkd about on the MAsk thread around page 147 post 2202 by Seanergy.

    See post 2219 where he says they said medical masks on box.

    Also having bought a box they look and feel like the masks I have worn as a nurse.


  • #4139
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    No: I don't care enough
    Threads merged


  • #4140
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,165 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    tonysopprano wrote: »
    But you are ok with our UNELECTED government requiring them for public transport, air travel, etc. Wait till 25th and suddenly see that "face coverings are illegal"

    I've absolutely no idea what you're on about. Some sort of party political dig obviously but apart from that I'm lost.


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  • #4141
    jahalpin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭jahalpin


    tonysopprano wrote: »
    But you are ok with our UNELECTED government requiring them for public transport, air travel, etc. Wait till 25th and suddenly see that "face coverings are illegal"

    Most people don't have issues with wearing masks in enclosed spaces if it means the lockdown can be toned down safely. What is your issue with the masks by the way?


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