Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 01:30PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A one page report that he dictated to the doctor :pac:

is it normal for people to dictate medical reports to a doctor?

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 01:32PM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So he takes a gaviscon now and then lol

Ah the subjective cherry picking (yet again).

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Actually can understand the support for Biden from some here, Dems sudden increase in taxation, (including 28% Corp), will make Dublin's 12.5% even more attractive to flee towards.

But you have to balance all this (Biden very elderly chap in mental decline), allowing escalating Chinese global supremecy (they've already brushed off the COVID), and negative US GDP caused alone, from Biden's proposed tax rises.

If there is a chance he'll survive and do well, we may as well welcome the Chinese overlords, a great bunch of lads and all that.

ollkiller · 02-07-2020 01:40PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

If there is a chance he'll survive and do well, we may as well welcome the Chinese overlords, a great bunch of lads and all that.

As opposed to the current Russian overlords. As to your nonsense about Bidens health. Who would win in a 100 metre race between Trump and Biden. Doubt Trump could make 20 metres.

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 01:42PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Ah the subjective cherry picking (yet again).

...two brain aneurysms, later complicated by subsequent deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism. Blood thinners and medication for acid reflux and cholesterol. Biden has also had his gallbladder removed and has been preemptively treated for non-cancerous polyps and skin abrasions in recent years. Earlier this year he started bleeding from the eyes live on CNN. More recently his vocal capacity appears to be diminishing.

Actually can understand the support for Biden from some here, Dems sudden increase in taxation, (including 28% Corp), will make Dublin's 12.5% even more attractive to flee towards.

But you have to balance all this (Biden very elderly chap in mental decline), allowing escalating Chinese global supremecy (they've already brushed off the COVID), and negative US GDP caused alone, from Biden's proposed tax rises.

If there is a chance he'll survive and do well, we may as well welcome the Chinese overlords, a great bunch of lads and all that.

Your posts are actually making me laugh here.

Random pontificating about allowing Chinese global supremacy while Trump has been literally found to be cowing to Putin and allowing Russia to fund bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 01:59PM

ollkiller wrote: »

As opposed to the current Russian overlords. As to your nonsense about Bidens health. Who would win in a 100 metre race between Trump and Biden. Doubt Trump could make 20 metres.

Ah yes the aul russbots, sure 'tis always the bots. Who knows what goes down over in the Afgan hills, the best idea was to get the flock out of there, or never arrive there in the first place.

Bidens health issues aren't nonsense, if he bleeds from the eyes again on CNN during a major live debate, imagine his ratings will crash.

Trump showed no symtoms strutting (hundreds of metres) and at pace, across DC, all be it for a somewhat misguided photo opportunity outside a church.

Any physical/mental IQ test would be great TV, but when someone asked Joe about doing such tests, he was met with 'dog face something or other' named calling. Ah here it is:

'Lying dog face pony soilder'

(Biden), This really takes some consideration, such a nasty outburst. Imagine if it was a female reporter who asked the question, sure you can't ever call a lady a 'dog face', not even big Kim would do that.

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 02:04PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

as met with 'dog face something or other' named calling. Ah here it is:

(Biden), This really takes some consideration, such a nasty outburst. Imagine if it was a female reporter who asked the question, sure you can't ever call a lady a 'dog face', not even big Kim would do that.

Already posted this.

Biden's 'lying dog-face' quip was a joke partly at his own expense.

Biden drew criticism earlier this year after he called 21-year-old college student Madison Moore 'a lying dog-faced pony soldier' after she asked about his poor performance in Iowa, during a rally in Hampton, New Hampshire.

When the woman said she had never been to a caucus, Biden replied: 'No you haven't. You're a lying dog-faced pony soldier.'

Moore later spoke out on the incident, calling the moment 'humiliating' and said Biden attempted to 'invalidate me by exposing my inexperience.'

Biden's camp later said the line was taken from a scene in a John Wayne movie, where a Native American chief refers to Wayne as a 'lying, dog-faced pony soldier.'

Not ideal, but better than referring to womens menstrual cycles or mocking the disability of a reporter.

Igotadose · 02-07-2020 02:07PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Ah yes the aul russbots, sure 'tis always the bots. Who knows what goes down over in the Afgan hills, the best idea was to get the flock out of there, or never arrive there in the first place.

Bidens health issues aren't nonsense, if he bleeds from the eyes again on CNN during a major live debate, imagine his ratings will crash.

Trump showed no symtoms strutting (hundreds of metres) and at pace, across DC, all be it for a somewhat misguided photo opportunity outside a church.

Ahh, how'd he do at West Point? Where Biden had run up the ramp 4 years prior?

Any physical/mental IQ test would be great TV, but when someone asked Joe about doing such tests, he was met with 'dog face something or other' named calling. Ah here it is:

(Biden), This really takes some consideration, such a nasty outburst. Imagine if it was a female reporter who asked the question, sure you can't ever call a lady a 'dog face', not even big Kim would do that.

He said he would as soon as Trump did. https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/505292-biden-can-hardly-wait-to-compare-his-cognitive-ability-with-trumps

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 02:12PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Ah yes the aul russbots, sure 'tis always the bots. Who knows what goes down over in the Afgan hills, the best idea was to get the flock out of there, or never arrive there in the first place.

Bidens health issues aren't nonsense, if he bleeds from the eyes again on CNN during a major live debate, imagine his ratings will crash.

Trump showed no symtoms strutting (hundreds of metres) and at pace, across DC, all be it for a somewhat misguided photo opportunity outside a church.

Any physical/mental IQ test would be great TV, but when someone asked Joe about doing such tests, he was met with 'dog face something or other' named calling. Ah here it is:

(Biden), This really takes some consideration, such a nasty outburst. Imagine if it was a female reporter who asked the question, sure you can't ever call a lady a 'dog face', not even big Kim would do that.

Yeah.. Imagine calling someone a dog.

List of everyone Donald Trump has called a DOG

Omarosa Manigault
David Gregory
Erick Erickson
Steve Bannon
Ted Cruz
Glenn Beck
Chuck Todd
George Will
Bill Maher
Reverend Jerimiah Wright
Kristen Stwart
Daivd Axelrod
Brent Bozell
Mac Miller

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 02:20PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Yeah.. Imagine calling someone a dog.

'Lying dog face pony soilder' is a bit more substantial than some flippant casual dog comment.

It combined, accuses someone of lying, having an actual dogs-face, and being a pony solider all at the same time, whatever that is.

Biden has also told black folks what he thinks of them.
He said they 'ain't black' if the don't vote for the brother him.
No pressure voters.

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 02:26PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

'Lying dog face pony soilder' is a bit more substantial than some flippant casual dog comment.

It combined, accuses someone of lying, having an actual dogs-face, and being a pony solider all at the same time, whatever that is.

"Lying Dog Faced Pony solider" is a (mis)quote from a Movie , Trump just calls lots of people dogs.

Not saying it's great , but it's a poor attempt at comedy/satire rather than the plain old meanness of Trumps usage of the term "Dog"

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Biden has also told black folks what he thinks of them.
He said they 'ain't black' if the don't vote for the brother him.
No pressure voters.

You mean like when Trump called any GOP person that didn't support him "Human Scum" ??

Look - No no is trying to suggest that Biden is perfect - far from it , it's just that EVERYTHING you are accusing him of, Trump is guilty of infinitely Worse examples.

So trying to suggest that these things are reasons to chose Trump over Biden is at best disingenuous and at worst disillusional.

Tell me how · 02-07-2020 02:28PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

'Lying dog face pony soilder' is a bit more substantial than some flippant casual dog comment.

It combined, accuses someone of lying, having an actual dogs-face, and being a pony solider all at the same time, whatever that is.

It was a quote from a movie Easton Melted Mineralogist, or do you think he happened on just the same list of random words in the same order?

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Biden has also told black folks what he thinks of them.
He said they 'ain't black' if the don't vote for the brother him.
No pressure voters.

On Trump

The Justice Department sued his company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

.......

“I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”

........

He condoned the beating of a Black Lives Matter protester

.........

Trump has also indicated he believes the entire Black Lives Matter movement lacks legitimate policy grievances.

Overheal · 02-07-2020 02:45PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

'Lying dog face pony soilder' is a bit more substantial than some flippant casual dog comment.

It combined, accuses someone of lying, having an actual dogs-face, and being a pony solider all at the same time, whatever that is.

Biden has also told black folks what he thinks of them.
He said they 'ain't black' if the don't vote for the brother him.
No pressure voters.

Jesus my lad are you still bumping uglies with this dead horse about the pony soldier remark?

It’s already been explained to you the origin is a John Wayne movie, titled iirc, Pony Soldier. It wasn’t even the first time Biden had used the phrase, and it wasn’t directed at a woman in that earlier case, defeating your idea it was somehow a sexist remark.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/10/21131327/biden-dog-faced-pony-soldier-new-hampshire

But no, I guess please keep bumping that horse I’ll get a coffee and have a good kick at your expense watching you die on this hill? It might be best to let this one go.

As for the aneurisms nothing to write home about, they happened over 32 years ago. Trumps sniffly septum is a more recent scandal...

ohnonotgmail · 02-07-2020 02:51PM

Overheal wrote: »

Jesus my lad are you still bumping uglies with this dead horse about the pony soldier remark?

when you dont have much material to work with you have to keep repeating the little you have.

Overheal · 02-07-2020 02:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

when you dont have much material to work with you have to keep repeating the little you have.

It’s why they’re so pissed about him out raising Trump and beating him double digits in the polls from his living room, it gives them nothing to work with

He’s done more leadership through Webex this year than Trump has in the last 4 years.

ollkiller · 02-07-2020 03:02PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

(Biden), This really takes some consideration, such a nasty outburst. Imagine if it was a female reporter who asked the question, sure you can't ever call a lady a 'dog face', not even big Kim would do that.

You're right. North Korea would say far worse. You're saying a misquoted film quote is worse than mocking someone with a disability or alluding to menstruation in women. Oh there's no talking to you. Gwan there and post up more nonsense about Biden's health issues. It really is resonating.

Overheal · 02-07-2020 03:12PM

Another ‘gaffe‘ still being molested by many is the “I’m going to be/beat Joe Biden” which I think is dumb as hell when, if you say this phrase yourself, “Be Joe,” it’s frankly indistinguishable without labored pronunciation from “Beat Joe” purely down to the nature of the involved phonetics. But again, this is the best oppo from people against Biden, and it’s in itself incredibly telling.

02-07-2020 03:14PM

Money on Accumulator quoting a single line from your posts and addressing nothing more... :P

Overheal · 02-07-2020 03:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Money on Accumulator quoting a single line from your posts and addressing nothing more... :P

If so it’s a not so subtle concession of the points made.

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 03:28PM

Another Jobs report out showing growth in Jobs (still not reporting it correctly though)

4.8M Jobs in June , Unemployment reported at 11.1% but it's actually 12.3%.

I don't actually understand some of the figures in this though.

The reports say that 4.8M new jobs were created in June , but that 1.4M new people claimed unemployment - It's not clear to me it that means that it was 3.4M net jobs gained or if the 4.8M accounts for the 1.4M.

Nearly a 3rd of those new jobs are in the Bar/Restaurant trade and sadly a lot of those are closing back down again so some of those that got job back at the start of June may have lost them again already or will do very shortly.

This should give Trump a lift in the polls , but 12.3% is still 50% above the worst that it got to during the 2008 crash so how much of a lift remains to be seen.

4068ac1elhodqr · 02-07-2020 03:50PM

Ah shure everythings just a old ‘gaffe‘.
Am sure there'll be plenty more from both sides regardless.

Found an excellent market for Joe, but isn't available as the (much prefered) acca builder:

Joe Biden not to be Democratic Nominee (presume this is for election day, but not stated and will need to verify): 7/1.

Slightly short, but with 5mths to go, ideally this will become available and increase as a line multipler option closer to the day.
The only bigger question still remains, is who'll replace the stand in.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-07-2020 04:01PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

is it normal for people to dictate medical reports to a doctor?

Imagine going to your doctor

Me: "Doc, my job needs a medical report from.you"

Doc: "OK, Jump.up.on that table and I'll examine you"

Me: "Nah, just write this down" (I start to tell doctor what to write).

Doc: GTFO

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 04:01PM

Easton Melted Mineralogist wrote: »

Ah shure everythings just a old ‘gaffe‘.
Am sure there'll be plenty more from both sides regardless.

Found an excellent market for Joe, but isn't available as the (much prefered) acca builder:

Joe Biden not to be Democratic Nominee (presume this is for election day, but not stated and will need to verify): 7/1.

Slightly short, but with 5mths to go, ideally this will become available and increase as a line multipler option closer to the day.
The only bigger question still remains, is who'll replace the stand in.

As you are clearly a betting man , what do you reckon to the collapse in Trumps odds as shown here

There's currently a 22.8% spread in Bidens favour.

Silentcorner · 02-07-2020 04:17PM

US economy just added nearly 5 million jobs in June.

Gun sales has rocketed over the last 4 months, people who never owned guns before now own guns.

BLM riots have done hundreds of millions of dollars worth of damage not to mention the pulling down of statues nationwide.

Certain cities that have significant crime issues are defunding or significantly reducing police budgets.

The Mayor of Seattle has just been exposed as the complete incompetent charlatan that she is in the glare of national media.

You'll forgive me for not believing a single poll/news organisation/betting odds.

I think the US Democratic Party is headed for the same fate the UK Labour Party have just subjected themselves to...

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 04:25PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

US economy just added nearly 5 million jobs in June.

Gun sales has rocketed over the last 4 months, people who never owned guns before now own guns.

BLM riots have done hundreds of millions of dollars worth of damage not to mention the pulling down of statues nationwide.

Certain cities that have significant crime issues are defunding or significantly reducing police budgets.

The Mayor of Seattle has just been exposed as the complete incompetent charlatan that she is in the glare of national media.

You'll forgive me for not believing a single poll/news organisation/betting odds.

I think the US Democratic Party is headed for the same fate the UK Labour Party have just subjected themselves to...

Why then have all of their poll numbers across ALL of the polls not just one or two ,improved over the last 3 or 4 months?

Trumps personal approval rating has dropped an average of 12 points since March.

We'll see what benefit the June jobs report brings to Trump , but the solid May report didn't help him a whole lot last month.

You could of course be right , but there is scant evidence of it yet.

Silentcorner · 02-07-2020 04:33PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Why then have all of their poll numbers across ALL of the polls not just one or two ,improved over the last 3 or 4 months?

Trumps personal approval rating has dropped an average of 12 points since March.

We'll see what benefit the June jobs report brings to Trump , but the solid May report didn't help him a whole lot last month.

You could of course be right , but there is scant evidence of it yet.

I clearly remember being in shock at the election of Trump, I was in shock because the media I was consuming was conditioning me for his defeat..same for Brexit, same for the last UK election.

I believe that the black vote in the US has splintered to what degree is anyone's guess but it hasn't solidified in favour of the Democrats and I also believe that with what should be a much healthier economy moderates will not vote Blue on account of what we have witnessed across the states over the last 3 months, these are people who's opinions are not being heard in media or social media.

You won't see evidence until election day, the media establishment, the corporate and political establishment will throw everything at Trump over the next 5 months in what will be one of the ugliest Presidential elections of all time.

That is what I suspect anyway.

duploelabs · 02-07-2020 04:34PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I clearly remember being in shock at the election of Trump, I was in shock because the media I was consuming was conditioning me for his defeat..same for Brexit, same for the last UK election.

I believe that the black vote in the US has splintered to what degree is anyone's guess but it hasn't solidified in favour of the Democrats and I also believe that with what should be a much healthier economy moderates will not vote Blue on account of what we have witnessed across the states over the last 3 months, these are people who's opinions are not being heard in media or social media.

You won't see evidence until election day, the media establishment, the corporate and political establishment will throw everything at Trump over the next 5 months in what will be one of the ugliest Presidential elections of all time.

That is what I suspect anyway.

92% of black voters support Biden, that doesn't sound very splintered to me

Silentcorner · 02-07-2020 04:36PM

duploelabs wrote: »

92% of black voters support Biden, that doesn't sound very splintered to me

You see, that is my point, is that figure believable...

duploelabs · 02-07-2020 04:37PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

You see, that is my point, is that figure believable...

No more so than the ones you spouted above

Silentcorner · 02-07-2020 04:44PM

duploelabs wrote: »

No more so than the ones you spouted above

It's just my opinion you mightn't like it but that is all it is....

Quin_Dub · 02-07-2020 04:46PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

I clearly remember being in shock at the election of Trump, I was in shock because the media I was consuming was conditioning me for his defeat..same for Brexit, same for the last UK election.

I believe that the black vote in the US has splintered to what degree is anyone's guess but it hasn't solidified in favour of the Democrats and I also believe that with what should be a much healthier economy moderates will not vote Blue on account of what we have witnessed across the states over the last 3 months, these are people who's opinions are not being heard in media or social media.

You won't see evidence until election day, the media establishment, the corporate and political establishment will throw everything at Trump over the next 5 months in what will be one of the ugliest Presidential elections of all time.

That is what I suspect anyway.

There's no evidence to suggest that the black vote has splintered - They support the Democrats at about the 85/90% level.

In none of the other examples you list was the lead outside the Margin of error.

Brexit was a dead heat in the polls , Clinton had a ~2% lead overall which was where the National vote ended up and was behind or had razor thin leads in the key swing states , the Trump win was unexpected but the evidence showed it was possible. The last UK election showed the Tories in a clear lead for quite a while so not sure of the source of surprise there.

In this cycle , Biden's lead today is significantly larger than any Clinton ever had in 2016 (at this point in 2016 she was running at about 4/5% ahead) and he currently has leads well outside the margin of error both Nationally and in almost all the key swings states.

It's still 4+ months to go , so everything could change - but right now , Trump is losing and losing badly.

Is this the end of Democrat front runner Joe Biden?

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