Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 08:46AM

fr336 wrote: »

Can you seriously not tell the difference between everyday dangers we are all used to and try to prevent as much as we can and a brand new virus which spreads easily, can kill many people and leave many of the "lucky" ones with permanent damage? We are all going to die one day, strangely I've come to terms with this. People die every day, I'm aware of this. But this happens in isolation, and as a society we are constantly looking at ways to mitigate it. To give just one exmaple, we have a flu jab preventing many, many deaths. The deaths that do occur in life are no less sad than Covid deaths but are in more isolation - some families will have to deal with them at different times of year, rather than tens of thousands in the course of a few months. How many deaths would make you concerned? 50,000? 100,000? I mean people die all the time right? Why let's not have a world war or something? People die all the time anyway, and we need a rewriting of the international status quo, why not eh?

With phrases like Dr Hoolahoop I can smell your faux concern for other health issues a mile off.

Any idea when covid will become an every day danger? Or you gonna treat it is a brand new danger for years to come? Its been 6 months.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 08:54AM

Expanding on yesterdays post, Leo as minister for business is going to be 1 hell of an appointment

"Mr Varadkar told the Dáil that construction activity had been back for six weeks and “we are told that 80 per cent of sites are now open”. But he said “there are still 45,000 construction workers in receipt of the pandemic unemployment payment.

“There is something not right there. I do not know what it is, but we need to dig down into that and get people back on site.”

Labour’s Ged Nash criticised the 5 per cent and 6 per cent interest rates on loans that the Government was packaging as “supports” when what they urgently needed were grants and loans at near zero interest rates.

“This strategy is akin to handing a drowning person an anchor instead of a lifebuoy. They will simply sink,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/t%C3%A1naiste-questions-number-of-construction-workers-on-pandemic-payment-1.4292651

They are talking up July stimulus package, lol more loans with 6% for businesses as "support" :eek:

Assetbacked · 01-07-2020 09:02AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Expanding on yesterdays post, Leo as minister for business is going to be 1 hell of an appointment

"Mr Varadkar told the Dáil that construction activity had been back for six weeks and “we are told that 80 per cent of sites are now open”. But he said “there are still 45,000 construction workers in receipt of the pandemic unemployment payment.

“There is something not right there. I do not know what it is, but we need to dig down into that and get people back on site.”

Labour’s Ged Nash criticised the 5 per cent and 6 per cent interest rates on loans that the Government was packaging as “supports” when what they urgently needed were grants and loans at near zero interest rates.

“This strategy is akin to handing a drowning person an anchor instead of a lifebuoy. They will simply sink,” he said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/t%C3%A1naiste-questions-number-of-construction-workers-on-pandemic-payment-1.4292651

They are talking up July stimulus package, lol more loans with 6% for businesses as "support" :eek:

It's disgraceful, the money needs to be given as grants subject to certain conditions, not as a loan with interest rates. So long as social distancing is applied, the government absolutely must underwrite the costs of businesses as it is unfair to tell them to open with such restrictions in place. This government won't last long unless they either abandon the social distancing recommendations ASAP or else give the cash as grants to businesses for so long as they require them to employ social distancing. Same goes for the pandemic payment, it needs to be applied as well if businesses are not allowed to get on with it.

facehugger99 · 01-07-2020 09:21AM

I wonder how many people have canceled their holidays on the back of Holohan's pontificating?

The fcuking gall of that prick. He is not the Dept. of Foreign Affairs and he has no mandate to go on national television and tell people what to do.

It is absolutely disgraceful that the elected politicians, we pay a king's ransom in salary and pensions for, have allowed this guy to dictate policy for so long.

When is someone going to stand up to him?

He is single-handedly wrecking economic devastation across multiple sectors of the Irish economy with his caviler pronouncements.

Don't worry though, Dr Tony and his chums in the NPHET will face none of the fall out of any of this. They are well insulated with their Rolls Royce salaries and pensions.

average_runner · 01-07-2020 09:26AM

charlie14 wrote: »

The right perhaps to not wish to be sprayed with infectious droplets ?

I am not within 2 metres and I am not talking to them. People working in the shop are not wearing them either, but mask people are happy to talk to them for their own enjoyment.

polesheep · 01-07-2020 09:27AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

On RTE?!? wow. Didnt see that one coming. Watch out for Brazilian hospitals during covid, coming out on RTE in August.

I haven't seen that documentary so I won't comment directly on it. Usually, however, the RTE approach to a documentary is to choose a topic, choose a side and then stick a camera in people's faces until we get tears. I suspect the documentary mentioned will be no different.

manniot2 · 01-07-2020 09:33AM

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 09:37AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

I wonder how many people have canceled their holidays on the back of Holohan's pontificating?

The fcuking gall of that prick. He is not the Dept. of Foreign Affairs and he has no mandate to go on national television and tell people what to do.

It is absolutely disgraceful that the elected politicians, we pay a king's ransom in salary and pensions for, have allowed this guy to dictate policy for so long.

When is someone going to stand up to him?

He is single-handedly wrecking economic devastation across multiple sectors of the Irish economy with his caviler pronouncements.

Don't worry though, Dr Tony and his chums in the NPHET will face none of the fall out of any of this. They are well insulated with their Rolls Royce salaries and pensions.

manniot2 wrote: »

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

Its absolutely mad.

We are talking about 10,000 - 100,000 + jobs lost permanently. Our politicians are failing us big time, very disappointed in M Martin even though he had few days we SERIOUSLY need some decisiveness from new govt. Now.

road_high · 01-07-2020 09:37AM

manniot2 wrote: »

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

The real punishment comes next budget- little wonder FF gave Finance to FG in the new govt.

01-07-2020 09:38AM

manniot2 wrote: »

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

Well we are telling them not to come so...?

manniot2 · 01-07-2020 09:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we are telling them not to come so...?

We cripple business up and down the country by forcing them to close for months on end. We then reward them by not allowing any tourists visit in the only few months that people consider travelling to Ireland each year due to weather.

Its really sad to see all the people who work in these industries afraid to speak up in fear of not being PC - Ryanair throwing out that Wilson fella every few days is probably not helping the cause either.

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 09:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we are telling them not to come so...?

With over 150 empty ICU beds, less than 200 active covid cases in the country, why are we telling them not to come? Are we waiting for a vaccine before lifting 14 day quarantine requirement?

The whole lockdown restrictions tune was to flatten the curve. Surely you agree curve has been flattened? Whats happening now? Are we eradicating the virus as Gerry Killeen has been suggesting???

stephenjmcd · 01-07-2020 09:48AM

manniot2 wrote: »

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

Yup they've the travel advisory out for coming here but also say we're welcome to visit them

Zonda999 · 01-07-2020 09:56AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

The whole lockdown restrictions tune was to flatten the curve. Surely you agree curve has been flattened? Whats happening now? Are we eradicating the virus as Gerry Killeen has been suggesting???

No one can disagree the curve has been well and truly flattened. In terms of whats happening now, no one seems able to answer that question and if you do ask that question you're labelled as one of the "open it all up brigade".

Considering the whole air bridge idea was only meant to be for other countries who had also sucessfully flattened the curve, I cannot see what the problem is exactly. The approach to this whole thing is not a zero sum game, a balance has to be struck or as you say, we are locking ourselves down until there is a vaccine (which there may never be).

greensheep777 · 01-07-2020 10:14AM

MickeyLeari wrote: »

That is an interesting point. I saw the abortion figures yesterday and the first thought I had was thank god we changed our laws on this one, and secondly whether people were still able to avail of those services during this lock down.

There are a lot of similarities between the pro-lockdown crowd and the pro-life crowd. The pro-lockdown crowd don't care if people die, so long as it's not of coronavirus, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, regardless of the consequences. Because *they* wouldn't do x/y/z, they want nobody to have the right to it. If you don't agree with them, it's because you're obviously some sort of murderer.

greensheep777 · 01-07-2020 10:20AM

polesheep wrote: »

I haven't seen that documentary so I won't comment directly on it. Usually, however, the RTE approach to a documentary is to choose a topic, choose a side and then stick a camera in people's faces until we get tears. I suspect the documentary mentioned will be no different.

Your guess was accurate. Main focus was a 97 year old man. There was nothing to indicate the poor man had given consent to be filmed.

Nothing about the sheer devastation this lockdown is causing to people losing their jobs, businesses and homes all over the country.

is_that_so · 01-07-2020 10:31AM

manniot2 wrote: »

In the Irishtimes today - German and French governments telling their people not to go to Ireland because of our 14 day quarantine. We really are begging for punishment at this stage.

That sounds more like common sense, some people may not be aware of it nor thinking about it when they book a holiday.

facehugger99 · 01-07-2020 10:42AM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

With over 150 empty ICU beds, less than 200 active covid cases in the country, why are we telling them not to come? Are we waiting for a vaccine before lifting 14 day quarantine requirement?

The whole lockdown restrictions tune was to flatten the curve. Surely you agree curve has been flattened? Whats happening now? Are we eradicating the virus as Gerry Killeen has been suggesting???

What happens next summer?

The chances of a vaccine are slim to zero.

Is travel to be restricted until a vaccine is found, whenever that may be, if ever?

If we do 'open up' in 2021, what is the difference between then and now - other than the hundreds of businesses and tens of thousands of jobs that will be lost in the interim? The virus will still be out there, the risk of it coming into Ireland will be exactly the same as it is now.

Will Dr Tony be on RTE in 2021, telling everyone they can't go on holidays and every tourist and business traveler need to quarantine for 2 weeks?

Has anyone asked him theses questions? What is the endgame? What will the country look like when the money's run out and nobody will lend to us because we are an economic basket case?

Where are the alternative points of view in the State media? Where are the politicians questioning this 'strategy? Is everyone too afraid of being labeled a granny-killer on social media to risk sticking their necks out?

This is a dangerous time for our country and our way of life, not just for our generation but for our children. When the damage becomes apparent it will already be too late.

Wake up people.

01-07-2020 10:54AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

The chances of a vaccine are slim to zero.

Wake up people.

Where is your certainty of there being no vaccine coming from?

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/coronavirus-vaccine-where-are-we-now/

manniot2 · 01-07-2020 11:04AM

The photos from Prague last night were great - a KM long outdoor table party. Tony H is worried about our increase in case (11 yesterday). What a joke.

stephenjmcd · 01-07-2020 11:22AM

Seems like manufacturing in the Eurozone is rebounding, not to pre covid levels but a good sign nonetheless

https://twitter.com/DarrenEuronews/status/1278271530741440512?s=19

skelly22 · 01-07-2020 11:26AM

charlie14 wrote: »

That you refuse to wear one on the basis that it is voluntary does make you look less of a selfish mé féiner in my opinion. Moreso if you wore one because it was compulsory. It a would also mean you were also someone who hadn`t the courage of their on convictions.

You've lost me there Charlie, but you haven't convinced me. Feel free to continue wearing your mask, I neither consider it selfish nor have the urge to put you down for doing so.

01-07-2020 11:38AM

What I really want to know is, what is the medium/long term plan here? We have had some posters saying that they don't want pubs to reopen for awhile yet. We've had other posters suggesting that nightclubs should remain closed until "This is over". We have people that don't want any travel in or out of Ireland. People that want no large crowds. While I might not agree always, I can understand the concerns to an extent. But what is the plan?

If we do leave pubs/nightclubs closed and we do severely restrict travel... what happens to all of the people employed in those area's come 1st September? Do we just dump them on Social Welfare? Tell them to upskill in a new area? Do we extend the Covid payments for a few more months? Can we even afford to without taking on a huge chunk of debt in addition to what we've already taken? Why are so many construction workers still out of work? How far behind are businesses after been closed for 3 months and now running reduced services? When are we going to really tackle the backlog of patients waiting for screening? Will businesses get support or loans with interest? When will we start educating kids properly again?

Lots of questions and no answers. This illness didn't just strike last week. Its been with us for months now. At some point we need to move away from the wait and see approach that we seem to be taking.

At some stage, we need to stop thinking that "This is going to be over soon" because it might not be. We're into month 7 now.

facehugger99 · 01-07-2020 12:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of questions and no answers. This illness didn't just strike last week. Its been with us for months now. At some point we need to move away from the wait and see approach that we seem to be taking.

Leadership, Planning, Decision Making, Responsibility.

None of this is happening.

The joke-politicians we are blessed with, remain in thrall of an un-elected Bureaucrat fixated on crushing the virus by burning down the economy. They are paralyzed by fear of being labeled as murderers if they go against the 'advice'.

We are saddling the country and future generations with tens of billions of debt. We are condemning tens of thousands to unemployment and poverty. We are storing up all kinds of societal problems that will bite us in the years to come.

You can be sure of one thing, Tony and chums will be long gone into the sunset when this all plays out and the rest of us are asked to pick up the cheque.

SF and the other assorted populist moron parties will romp home in the next election and then the real fun will start.

We are facing a lost decade, perhaps more.

hmmm · 01-07-2020 12:47PM

Deleted User wrote: »

At some stage, we need to stop thinking that "This is going to be over soon" because it might not be. We're into month 7 now.

The plan is to manage the spread to avoid our hospitals getting overwhelmed, until hopefully a vaccine or a therapeutic will be developed which will allow us to reach herd immunity safely.

A vaccine was the most likely way out of this, but the anti-vaxxers and the "it's not safe" crowd means it no longer is looking likely. So we'll have years of lockdowns while some people choose to take their chances with the disease rather than take a vaccine.

If you want things to go back to normal - tell people to cop themselves on and get vaccinated when it is offered.

road_high · 01-07-2020 12:59PM

greensheep777 wrote: »

There are a lot of similarities between the pro-lockdown crowd and the pro-life crowd. The pro-lockdown crowd don't care if people die, so long as it's not of coronavirus, and will stop at nothing to get what they want, regardless of the consequences. Because *they* wouldn't do x/y/z, they want nobody to have the right to it. If you don't agree with them, it's because you're obviously some sort of murderer.

That’s a great comparison- that’s exactly the extreme psychology and thinking they engage in.

ilovesmybrick · 01-07-2020 01:00PM

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Here's an interesting overview of the current situation in Europe regarding positive cases.

It's part of a broader traffic light system worldwide that was published in Austria today

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 01:01PM

hmmm wrote: »

The plan is to manage the spread to avoid our hospitals getting overwhelmed, until hopefully a vaccine or a therapeutic will be developed which will allow us to reach herd immunity safely.

A vaccine was the most likely way out of this, but the anti-vaxxers and the "it's not safe" crowd means it no longer is looking likely. So we'll have years of lockdowns while some people choose to take their chances with the disease rather than take a vaccine.

If you want things to go back to normal - tell people to cop themselves on and get vaccinated when it is offered.

This reminds me.

Wheres Simon Harris? he disappeared off the scene pretty quickly? Does he still tweet about "we are not there yet"?

Ginger n Lemon · 01-07-2020 01:02PM

ilovesmybrick wrote: »

[IMG][/img]Corona-Warning-System-for-Europe_Complexitiy-Science-Hub-Vienna.png

Here's an interesting overview of the current situation in Europe regarding positive cases.

It's part of a broader traffic light system worldwide that was published in Austria today

South Africa has no luck at all.

road_high · 01-07-2020 01:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This reminds me.

Wheres Simon Harris? he disappeared off the scene pretty quickly? Does he still tweet about "we are not there yet"?

Reckon even FG pushed him aside and muzzled him. He’s been conspicuous by his absence the past month after months of his very public out of control ranting and raving

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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