Masks

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 09:10AM

Yes: valved

Mask cost is not the biggest issue, go spin elsewhere

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 09:21AM

Yes: valved

GOV will continue to push false sense of security line but when evidence like this starts to mount it will be them who will need magic shields.

https://twitter.com/VoiceOfFranky/status/1272724641233211392

odyssey06 · 16-06-2020 09:24AM

Seanergy wrote: »

Mask cost is not the biggest issue, go spin elsewhere

Not the biggest issue but could be a a deterring factor for people on fixed state incomes.
Maybe a pack should be included per month for medical card holders with their registered prescriptions.

ExMachina1000 · 16-06-2020 12:15PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

No legislation no masks

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 01:01PM

Yes: valved

odyssey06 wrote: »

Not the biggest issue but could be a a deterring factor for people on fixed state incomes.
Maybe a pack should be included per month for medical card holders with their registered prescriptions.

No, cost will not be a deterring factor either. Effort to make and wear are all that are needed for majority. Cost is only a factor for the lazy or heads with splash cash.

Did medycardholders get free packs of tissues as part of operation cough etiquette so far during covid-19? If they didn't well then I'd be surprised if medycardholders get packs of monthly masks when mandatory is introduced.

Unwillingness to giveafcuk about anyone but oneself seems to be the biggest deterring factor.

Dubl07 · 16-06-2020 03:46PM

Yes: other

odyssey06 wrote: »

Not the biggest issue but could be a a deterring factor for people on fixed state incomes.
Maybe a pack should be included per month for medical card holders with their registered prescriptions.

As someone who's been sewing masks since the start of March, one can buy cotton, elastic and wire very inexpensively. Sew some - if it's just you, buy a needle and thread if you don't have a machine. There are lots of patterns online.

There's also evidence that two layer cotton masks with a filter are significantly better than the cheapo paper 'surgical' masks which would be all the gov would send.

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 04:59PM

Yes: valved

The first day the Minsiter for Health actually dons a face covering and the term refusing to wear is directed at the general public. Hyper skewing of figures starting to happen, hmmm? they must have set a magic target % in mind that will result in a win for operation save face covering.

Meanwhile first announcemnt of Mandatory. Face coverings will be mandatory for students and staff involved in certain teaching and learning activities in institutes of technology in the autumn.

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Someone just said to me why can't Dublin Bus just add facecovering to their hygiene rules along with no shoes no shirt no board rules?

MipMap · 16-06-2020 06:48PM

Yes: homemade

granturismo wrote: »

I really doubt that 60degC degrades cotton or linen face coverings to that extent - 100% intact cotton and linen wont stop a viral particle, a washed cloth will have similar efficacy.

You are not trying to stop a virus particle. You are trying to stop water droplets that can contain up to half a million virus particles.
Also washing you hand with soap and water for 20 seconds is advised and no one mentions temperature. They say the soap breaks down the protein shell on the virus. This has to apply to a mask as well.
Thirdly the idea that your mask has a high chance of being infected when you take it off is nonsense and it has no more likelihood to be infected that your cap or your tee-shirt or anything else that you might touch your face with when you remove it.
Their advise is drawn from the experience of hospital settings where staff have to take off their PPE very carefully because the possibility of it being infected is much higher given they have been in close contact for several hours with known confiirmed cases. This applies to gowns gloves etc, not just their masks.
I don't propose you should not be careful taking off your mask because it is not hard to do but becoming excessively paranoid about it is unhelpful cos it can lead to people deciding there is additional danger in wearing one.
This idea was fuelled by the CMO for two months banging on about this when he was in "trash the masks mode".

ExMachina1000 · 16-06-2020 07:18PM

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

The first day the Minsiter for Health actually dons a face covering and the term refusing to wear is directed at the general public. Hyper skewing of figures starting to happen, hmmm? they must have set a magic target % in mind that will result in a win for operation save face covering.

Meanwhile first announcemnt of Mandatory. Face coverings will be mandatory for students and staff involved in certain teaching and learning activities in institutes of technology in the autumn.

Someone just said to me why can't Dublin Bus just add facecovering to their hygiene rules along with no shoes no shirt no board rules?

Requires legislation. Wont be happening. Forget about it

MipMap · 16-06-2020 08:01PM

Yes: homemade

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Grand job.

No idea what it has to do with my post challenging the washing advice from a health professional and the mechanics of a wash breaking down micro fibre plastics that shouldn't be in the mask in the first place.

I wasn't responding to your post. I was responding to granturismo

I have read your post and fully agree with it. My point is that the focus now is on how to deal with these dreadful virus riddled masks rather than accentuate the positives of wearing them. If people think they have to run a full wash every time they take their masks off then is will discourage their use.
Sensible advise would be to have several and change them daily leaving the used one in the wash basket.

16-06-2020 08:59PM

I wore a mask today. Maybe it is the wrong fit because it was very uncomfortable. Also my glasses kept fogging up so if course I then automatically went to pull it down a bit. I washed my glasses in soapy water beforehand hoping it would prevent the fog. It didn't.
Does anyone have any ideas for a comfortable mask wearing experience?

odyssey06 · 16-06-2020 09:06PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I wore a mask today. Maybe it is the wrong fit because it was very uncomfortable. Also my glasses kept fogging up so if course I then automatically went to pull it down a bit. I washed my glasses in soapy water beforehand hoping it would prevent the fog. It didn't.
Does anyone have any ideas for a comfortable mask wearing experience?

Was it the blue surgical mask type?
Inside the top layer of the mask there is a metal strip.
Pinching the metal strip to form it around the bridge of your nose helps with the fogging up.

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 09:08PM

Yes: valved

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Requires legislation. Wont be happening. Forget about it

I am trying. It's becoming more obvious that GOV are now opting for a % rather than having to take the mandatory route with face coverings. How can GOV achieve mandatory face coverings anyway when there is such a high % of the nation suffering with autism.

Let's hazard a guess the GOV have a target % of about 64-68% for national face coverings. The recent claim by GOV that roughly 33% are masked was simply a toe dipping exercise. If it passes, which it looks like it will, GOV proceed with plan fudge face coverings numbers(FFCN). If it doesn't they will excuse numbers by computer error etc.

Currently uptake is at 10-15% with GOV claiming 33%. If uptake were to increase towards 30-44%, GOV could fudge numbers the rest of the way to achieve the target 64-68% to save face and keep public pressure at bay whilst not having to mandate.

The new face covering campaign is offically over. Zero education on the reason why we should all be wearing face coverings in unison.

My hunch all along was it's not an image Ireland wanted to portray globally. But Leo stay firm and Harris just went against my hunch by stropping around the lowerdeck of a Dublin bus like nervous virgin pole dancers donning face coverings and that's why I am going to suggest operation FFCN has begun.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Jim_Hodge · 16-06-2020 09:12PM

Yes: homemade

odyssey06 wrote: »

Was it the blue surgical mask type?
Inside the top layer of the mask there is a metal strip.
Pinching the metal strip to form it around the bridge of your nose helps with the fogging up.

Tried that myself and still awful problems with misting up regardless of the mask design I've used.

16-06-2020 09:12PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

Was it the blue surgical mask type?
Inside the top layer of the mask there is a metal strip.
Pinching the metal strip to form it around the bridge of your nose helps with the fogging up.

It wasn't. It's a homemade one. I've attached a pic.

Seanergy · 16-06-2020 09:19PM

Yes: valved

Does it have a nose strip? if not inserting one or glueing one should help considerably. Also make sure your glasses are sitting out well over the edge of the mask. Normally those two things along with soaped glasses work. Obviously we all have diferent sized faces and some masks are better than others for not dissapating heat out of the top nose bridge area.

I'm currently looking at putting beads of silicon along the top edge's as a seal for reusable masks.

16-06-2020 09:22PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Tried that myself and still awful problems with misting up regardless of the mask design I've used.

I've just tried the one in the attachment. It didn't create any fogging but it feels far more restrictive than the other one I have. I'm not sure where it came from, Woodies a few years ago maybe. The style might work for you.

granturismo · 16-06-2020 09:25PM

No: other

MipMap wrote: »

You are not trying to stop a virus particle. You are trying to stop water droplets that can contain up to half a million virus particles.
Also washing you hand with soap and water for 20 seconds is advised and no one mentions temperature. They say the soap breaks down the protein shell on the virus. This has to apply to a mask as well.
Thirdly the idea that your mask has a high chance of being infected when you take it off is nonsense and it has no more likelihood to be infected that your cap or your tee-shirt or anything else that you might touch your face with when you remove it.
Their advise is drawn from the experience of hospital settings where staff have to take off their PPE very carefully because the possibility of it being infected is much higher given they have been in close contact for several hours with known confiirmed cases. This applies to gowns gloves etc, not just their masks.
I don't propose you should not be careful taking off your mask because it is not hard to do but becoming excessively paranoid about it is unhelpful cos it can lead to people deciding there is additional danger in wearing one.
This idea was fuelled by the CMO for two months banging on about this when he was in "trash the masks mode".

I'm confused by your post. My post you linked was pointing out that washing face coverings is unlikely to degrade a face covering to the extent that it is unable to filter out aerosols in response to a poster who wanted to treat their face covering with UV light to avoid degrading the covering's material.

I finished my post by asking if 'face masks' as opposed to 'face coverings' were washable because the 'masks' I've been buying for my employer's use are not washable while the 'covering' I bought for personal use are.

My post has no reference to contaminated face coverings or face masks. I'm perfectly aware of the process for removing PPE, train users in it regularly and would personally be very careful of trying not to touch the inside of the face covering I'm about to purchase for public transport.

ETA: I have no intention of washing my face covering every day. I dont know if you infered that from my post.

Jim_Hodge · 16-06-2020 09:41PM

Yes: homemade

MipMap wrote: »

I wasn't responding to your post. I was responding to granturismo

I have read your post and fully agree with it. My point is that the focus now is on how to deal with these dreadful virus riddled masks rather than accentuate the positives of wearing them. If people think they have to run a full wash every time they take their masks off then is will discourage their use.
Sensible advise would be to have several and change them daily leaving the used one in the wash basket.

My apologies. I misread it.

Dubl07 · 17-06-2020 07:19AM

Yes: other

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Tried that myself and still awful problems with misting up regardless of the mask design I've used.

Muc-Off visor spray for cyclists or Hendlex anti-fog for Motorbike visors on your glasses.

If your disposable mask is a bit loose, you may need to knot the elastic ties to make them shorter. A mask with a good nose seal and fit won't fog your glasses to the same extent. That's why handmade masks that are adjustable and fitted to your personal needs are better in the longer term, as well as good for the environment. If you have a longer face, you may need a longer (nose-chin) mask.

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 09:29AM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

I am trying. It's becoming more obvious that GOV are now opting for a % rather than having to take the mandatory route with face coverings. How can GOV achieve mandatory face coverings anyway when there is such a high % of the nation suffering with autism.

Let's hazard a guess the GOV have a target % of about 64-68% for national face coverings. The recent claim by GOV that roughly 33% are masked was simply a toe dipping exercise. If it passes, which it looks like it will, GOV proceed with plan fudge face coverings numbers(FFCN). If it doesn't they will excuse numbers by computer error etc.

Currently uptake is at 10-15% with GOV claiming 33%. If uptake were to increase towards 30-44%, GOV could fudge numbers the rest of the way to achieve the target 64-68% to save face and keep public pressure at bay whilst not having to mandate.

The new face covering campaign is offically over. Zero education on the reason why we should all be wearing face coverings in unison.

My hunch all along was it's not an image Ireland wanted to portray globally. But Leo stay firm and Harris just went against my hunch by stropping around the lowerdeck of a Dublin bus like nervous virgin pole dancers donning face coverings and that's why I am going to suggest operation FFCN has begun.

The wheels on the bus go round and round.

Some of the reports from retail and that 20% limit on public transport suggests that not too many are taking advantage of their new found freedom. Anecdotally I've heard that Dublin traffic is as bad as the rest of the year and well above the summer flows. That is only likely to get worse in the next phase.
I'd say your hunch is more driven by a need to insult anyone who won't do what you want them to. That's fine for what it is and and evidence of a sense of frustration but it really doesn't make any kind of case for persuading people to change their behaviour.

ednwireland · 17-06-2020 09:47AM

No: other

is_that_so wrote: »

. Anecdotally I've heard that Dublin traffic is as bad as the rest of the year and well above the summer flows. That is only likely to get worse in the next phase.

people driving rather than trying to use public transport was always going to do this as people went back to work

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 09:50AM

No: other

ednwireland wrote: »

people driving rather than trying to use public transport was always going to do this as people went back to work

Sure, why take the risk with a bus?

Boggles · 17-06-2020 10:08AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Sure, why take the risk with a bus?

Won't be as much of an option come the autumn / winter.

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 10:13AM

No: other

Boggles wrote: »

Won't be as much of an option come the autumn / winter.

Nope, but until that 20% changes, a preference for quite a few. It's one thing that there don't seem to be any future plans on. We may have it for a good chunk of the summer or even till the end of it with the traffic implications that come with it.

Dubl07 · 17-06-2020 11:16AM

Yes: other

Deleted User wrote: »

It wasn't. It's a homemade one. I've attached a pic.

Oh dear. I tried that design in early March and rejected it. I use the Olson mask design but with a 70cm strip of elastic and a toggle. It's far more comfortable and adaptable on a daily basis. I also use an aluminium nose-piece in a channel to allow it to be removed for washing in the machine.

Seanergy · 17-06-2020 11:26AM

Yes: valved

is_that_so wrote: »

Some of the reports from retail and that 20% limit on public transport suggests that not too many are taking advantage of their new found freedom. Anecdotally I've heard that Dublin traffic is as bad as the rest of the year and well above the summer flows. That is only likely to get worse in the next phase.
I'd say your hunch is more driven by a need to insult anyone who won't do what you want them to. That's fine for what it is and and evidence of a sense of frustration but it really doesn't make any kind of case for persuading people to change their behaviour.

That isn't so, hold onto your insulting beliefs about my behaviour and my wants.

My frustration was born out of the incompetence of GOV to address a respiratory disease straight in the face many months ago. GOV threw the first insults at my feet from the get go when they reshaped droplet education into cough etiquette for the general public for their own convenience(cheaper and easier solution at the time).

Do you view operation FFCN as a kind of case for persuading people to change their behaviour by making it appear trending/popluar? Is that going to be the crux of the new drive by GOV to increase uptake numbers? Zero education.

I am not trying to persuade people to change their behaviour based on the emotion of what's fashionable/trending. I will unapologetically lay things out and if people take them up, good for them, they did it, not me. Brainwashing is not my game, yes, keep an open mind, make decision's on and about your beliefs by yourself, stay flexible and keep learning.

railer201 · 17-06-2020 11:31AM

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

Does it have a nose strip? if not inserting one or glueing one should help considerably. Also make sure your glasses are sitting out well over the edge of the mask. Normally those two things along with soaped glasses work. Obviously we all have diferent sized faces and some masks are better than others for not dissapating heat out of the top nose bridge area.

I'm currently looking at putting beads of silicon along the top edge's as a seal for reusable masks.

Safety glasses strongly recommended before proceeding.

Here's my solution to the glasses fogging up problem, using common household items to fashion a suitably robust nose bridge, which fits easily into already made masks.

Cut about at least a 6 inch length off the coat hanger using a pliers or snips.

Find a household item ( I used the wooden spoon handle) the same diameter as the bridge of your nose and bend the wire around that object.

Approximate the length of each side, and using the pliers, bend to fit each side of the nose. Bend any excess wire out of the way on each side with the pliers, so you can get an approximate fit in situ over your nose. (Avoid any sharp edges - bend back the wire - to protect the eyes.)

When a snug fit has been achieved, then trim the bridge piece to the size shown.

If there is already a narrow seam at the top of the face covering, that will suit just fine to slide the nose bridge in - just pierce the seam with a suitable spike, needle etc. and insert the clip.

is_that_so · 17-06-2020 11:38AM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

That isn't so, hold onto your insulting beliefs about my behaviour and my wants.

My frustration was born out of the incompetence of GOV to address a respiratory disease straight in the face many months ago. GOV threw the first insults at my feet from the get go when they reshaped droplet education into cough etiquette for the general public for their own convenience(cheaper and easier solution at the time).

Do you view operation FFCN as a kind of case for persuading people to change their behaviour by making it appear trending/popluar? Is that going to be the crux of the new drive by GOV to increase uptake numbers? Zero education.

I am not trying to persuade people to change their behaviour based on the emotion of what's fashionable/trending. I will unapologetically lay things out and if people take them up, good for them, they did it, not me. Brainwashing is not my game, yes, keep an open mind, make decision's on and about your beliefs by yourself, stay flexible and keep learning.

You've called people autistic, sheep and a whole load of other epithets so what's anyone supposed to take from that? No idea what FFCN is so I've no opinion on it.

You're entitled to your opinions but don't be surprised if some people see them as downright browbeating.

Away With The Fairies · 17-06-2020 12:39PM

Yes: valved

What's their campaign all about? Was it just a photo shoot of themselves standing on an empty bus telling us to wear masks while shopping or on public transport?

They would want to do a better job on educating people. Seen some lad in a shop talking to the shop assistant and his mask on his chin. That defeats the purpose. Whatever about masks on chin while outside. Why bother with a mask if you're inside a shop and it sitting on your chin? It's not a fashion accessory.

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