Masks

job seeker

Yes: surgical

Seanergy wrote: »

The longer I'm in this thread the more I realise it is important for all of us to be able to make quick face coverings from a multitude of objects, and this basic shape is one of them.

I favour a more stable build for everyday use but there can always be a time and a place for a makeshift cover.]

Yeah, apologies! I was late to the party!

That's a great idea! Extremely useful skill, for when you need them.

I done a search on this thread. But I can find any website or link to buy them online. I'll have a better look tomorrow.. Thank you!

Boggles

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Again I'll ask who would enforce or police it ? All well and good suggesting it but you've yet to say how it could be made mandatory if your simply relying on goodwill of people to do it. People obey laws because of its enforcement.

So one last time who enforces the mandatory wearing on public transport ? That's the main issue here the enforcement piece

I have tried a couple of times all ready to explain it but, again.

Who enforces the smoking ban on transport?

In fact how do we enforce all our laws?

It's very simple.

1. The "goodwill" of the people
2. Threat of sanction.

We don't actively enforce all our laws all the time, because that would be impossible.

When mandatory mask wearing is brought in for public transport, hire more staff, educate and distribute, warn then fine the dribblers.

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS!

Yes: to protect myself and others

all about the mane wrote: »

I have access to masks but wouldn’t wear them unless I am up close with a symptomatic covid19 person.

Ridiculous post.

Masks don't stop you contracting it, they stop you spreading it if you are unknowingly carrying it.

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Boggles wrote: »

I have tried a couple of times all ready to explain it but, again.

Who enforces the smoking ban on transport?

In fact how do we enforce all our laws?

It's very simple.

1. The "goodwill" of the people
2. Threat of sanction.

We don't actively enforce all our laws all the time, because that would be impossible.

When mandatory mask wearing is brought in for public transport, hire more staff, educate and distribute, warn then fine the dribblers.

Mandatory wearing of masks cannot be brought in without legislation and enforced by the Gardai.

Compare it to seatbelts. The wearing of seatbelts is mandatory the Gardai will give penalty points and a fine if you are spotted not wearing one. It also happens to make sense to wear one but without the legislation people could choose themselves. It couldn't be enforced.

This isn't Soviet Russia or China. Legislation must be passed . There is no short cut in the real world

Damien360

Boggles wrote: »

I have tried a couple of times all ready to explain it but, again.

Who enforces the smoking ban on transport?

In fact how do we enforce all our laws?

It's very simple.

1. The "goodwill" of the people
2. Threat of sanction.

We don't actively enforce all our laws all the time, because that would be impossible.

When mandatory mask wearing is brought in for public transport, hire more staff, educate and distribute, warn then fine the dribblers.

We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter, it’s advise to wear masks. It ties the gardai hands so why would they bother. Even with a new law every single fine can be fought in the Irish courts and you clog it up. Evidence please, and the whole thing collapses.

If anyone wants on the spot fines that are enforceable then carrying of a national ID card would have to be mandatory. Look where that ended up. And the fines would have to come direct from wages/dole so revenue would have to be involved. It may be a sensible option but it will not happen as no politician will touch it with a barge pole.

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Damien360 wrote: »

We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter, it’s advise to wear masks. It ties the gardai hands so why would they bother. Even with a new law every single fine can be fought in the Irish courts and you clog it up. Evidence please, and the whole thing collapses.

If anyone wants on the spot fines that are enforceable then carrying of a national ID card would have to be mandatory. Look where that ended up. And the fines would have to come direct from wages/dole so revenue would have to be involved. It may be a sensible option but it will not happen as no politician will touch it with a barge pole.

Exactly. That's why we wont have mandatory wearing of masks

Boggles

Damien360 wrote: »

We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter,

Yes I know, it's part of the discussion, please read the thread.

paddy19

No: I don't care enough

It's always easy to give advise to other people when it doesn't cost you anything.

To show they are serious about a new process means the government spending money.

If you want people to wear masks, the first step is give them away free
at the door of every bus, train and premises.
You don't have to do this forever but have to do it at the start to get a momentum going.

Name a day and start an education campaign.

Wear your mask. Let's protect each other from Covid,

is_that_so

No: other

I've heard anecdotal reports of traffic levels being very high and yesterday seemed like a normal Saturday in Dublin. I'm not surprised at it TBH as there is that very reduced capacity on public transport and there are no restrictions in private vehicles.

saabsaab

Yes: homemade

Damien360 wrote: »

We don’t hand out fines because we do not have a law on the matter, it’s advise to wear masks. It ties the gardai hands so why would they bother. Even with a new law every single fine can be fought in the Irish courts and you clog it up. Evidence please, and the whole thing collapses.

If anyone wants on the spot fines that are enforceable then carrying of a national ID card would have to be mandatory. Look where that ended up. And the fines would have to come direct from wages/dole so revenue would have to be involved. It may be a sensible option but it will not happen as no politician will touch it with a barge pole.

We should have a national ID card. People say use a passport or driver's licence but many people don't travel abroad and don't drive.

Seanergy

Yes: valved

paddy19 wrote: »

It's always easy to give advise to other people when it doesn't cost you anything.

To show they are serious about a new process means the government spending money.

If you want people to wear masks, the first step is give them away free
at the door of every bus, train and premises.
You don't have to do this forever but have to do it at the start to get a momentum going.

Name a day and start an education campaign.

Wear your mask. Let's protect each other from Covid,

To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves.

If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government).

There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.

Away With The Fairies

Yes: valved

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Mandatory wearing of masks cannot be brought in without legislation and enforced by the Gardai.

Compare it to seatbelts. The wearing of seatbelts is mandatory the Gardai will give penalty points and a fine if you are spotted not wearing one. It also happens to make sense to wear one but without the legislation people could choose themselves. It couldn't be enforced.

This isn't Soviet Russia or China. Legislation must be passed . There is no short cut in the real world

Seat belt wearing brought in for the safety of people. Yet face masks for the health of people, not in Ireland. What a joke.

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Seat belt wearing brought in for the safety of people. Yet face masks for the health of people, not in Ireland. What a joke.

Are a caretaker government limited in the amount of legislation they can introduce? Maybe they have used up all of their options. I'm not sure

is_that_so

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves.

If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government).

There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.

Where social distancing is not possible is the advice. There are no circumstances where this is the case.

Away With The Fairies

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves.

If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government).

There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.

Aren't they meant to be encouraging mask wearing this coming week with a new campaign, apparently TV and radio adds based on their new evidence that we all knew here months ago.

is_that_so

No: other

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Are a caretaker government limited in the amount of legislation they can introduce? Maybe they have used up all of their options. I'm not sure

They are less likely to try on this, even with emergency powers plus we may have a new government in the next week or so.

Seanergy

Yes: valved

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Are a caretaker government limited in the amount of legislation they can introduce? Maybe they have used up all of their options. I'm not sure

Yeah privilage ran out months ago......It's all stall ball till coalition forms...schools got thrown under the bus on friday just to deflect heat from masks.

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

Seanergy wrote: »

Yeah privilage ran out months ago......It's all stall ball till coalition forms...schools got thrown under the bus on friday just to deflect heat from masks.

Imagine eamonn Ryan with some sort of governmental power. What a world we live in.

There will be no masks. There will be income tax increases and there will be a mild winter. That is all

ShamNNspace

Yes: to protect myself and others

Seanergy wrote: »

To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves.

If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government).

There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.

True they should have been wearing masks in those daily press briefings from the start, also gardai should have been wearing masks on duty. From the start the message seemed to be "shur those masks only stop a carrier from spreading the virus" as if this was a bad thing in itself. The public are raising a collective sceptical eyebrow now at the mention of masks they're not buying it

Seanergy

Yes: valved

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Aren't they meant to be encouraging mask wearing this coming week with a new campaign, apparently TV and radio adds based on their new evidence that we all knew here months ago.

I'm actually viewing this new education campaign as an excerise in blame deflection. If they were serious in any way, logical conversation would have flooded the country over the past week & wknd.

This new mask campaign is purely a documented public display of the State washing their hands of any mixed messaging that could be lingering in society from their actions since the pandemic started.

It will create the perfect platform to place future blame on poor mask uptake away from the actions of government and at the feet of the public.

Away With The Fairies

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

I'm actually viewing this new education campaign as an excerise in blame deflection. If they were serious in any way, logical conversation would have flooded the country over the past week & wknd.

This new mask campaign is purely a documented public display of the State washing their hands of any mixed messaging that could be lingering in society from their actions since the pandemic started.

It will create the perfect platform to place future blame on poor mask uptake away from the actions of government and at the feet of the public.

I agree. I just hope more people start wearing them.

is_that_so

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

I'm actually viewing this new education campaign as an excerise in blame deflection. If they were serious in any way, logical conversation would have flooded the country over the past week & wknd.

This new mask campaign is purely a documented public display of the State washing their hands of any mixed messaging that could be lingering in society from their actions since the pandemic started.

It will create the perfect platform to place future blame on poor mask uptake away from the actions of government and at the feet of the public.

When people remember this it will be the 2m, hand washing and issues of protection around those considered to be most at risk to this. Mask policies are no stick to beat a government with given that most people dislike the idea of them.

Seanergy

Yes: valved

is_that_so wrote: »

When people remember this it will be the 2m, hand washing and issues of protection around those considered to be most at risk to this. Mask policies are no stick to beat a government with given that most people dislike the idea of them.

I will give the government credit where credit is due, they could have easily strongly advised us to wash our feet instead of our hands and they didn't do that.

is_that_so

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

I will give the government credit where credit is due, they could have easily strongly advised us to wash our feet instead of our hands and they didn't do that.

Even if they had been strong on them from the start you'd have found other issues to be alarmed about.

Arrival

Seanergy wrote: »

To show they are serious about masks the government need to wear masks themselves.

If you(government) want people to wear masks, the first step is to wear masks yourselves(government).

There is no point naming a day and starting an education campaign, trust is gone on this issue, public are not listening to authority, government need to act regaining the public's trust on the issue of masks.

I agree, Slovakia's and Czechia's leaders wore masks from the start during all broadcasts to get the ball rolling in making them normal

MipMap

Yes: homemade

stephenjmcd wrote: »

And have you seen a Garda wearing a face mask yet??

They're supposed to wear them in squad cars not seen any wearing them.

What I've posted is the experience of one station, beleive it or not I dont really care but in that station they aren't wearing them

I live in Wexford.Went to Argos and Woodies in Wexford town on Thursday.
In the whole town I saw precisely 4 people wearing one.
Me, an old lady in Woodies, and 2 guards in a car who drove by me on the way home.
Argos was empty and so was Woodies.
Came back to Enniscorthy. Place was buzzing cafes open with people sitting outside drinking coffee. No apparent social distancing and apart from amother old lady not a sinner wearing a mask.

TheChizler

MipMap wrote: »

Place was buzzing cafes open with people sitting outside drinking coffee. No apparent social distancing and apart from amother old lady not a sinner wearing a mask.

That might be difficult to do

MipMap

Yes: homemade

TheChizler wrote: »

That might be difficult to do

Actually I fully agree. Eventually we are going to have to stop this absolute, Black and White approach to this and to social distancing.
On public transport social distancing 2mtrs 1 mtr it does not matter. It is not practical. Face masks are however so that's what you do.
In pubs, neither is practical so we have to accept that if the publs are going to open then they have to be exempt. It is not ideal but it's all we can do.

People can choose whether they go to the pub and decide for themselves. Sure they will contribute to a rise in the Ro but as long as it is kept below 1
and we try mitigation measures to compensate for this in other areas (eg: mask wearing in other settings.)
In South Korea they used a system of tracking people by mobile apps and credit card usage so outbreaks from these settings(Bars etc.,) could be traced and isolated quickly.
Did't work in the case of that gay bar incident but they are coping with that and learning from it.
I fully understand that there will be cases that a guy gets in in the pub and then gives it to someone else and this is not fair but what is fair in life?

ExMachina1000

No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend

MipMap wrote: »

Actually I fully agree. Eventually we are going to have to stop this absolute, Black and White approach to this and to social distancing.
On public transport social distancing 2mtrs 1 mtr it does not matter. It is not practical. Face masks are however so that's what you do.
In pubs, neither is practical so we have to accept that if the publs are going to open then they have to be exempt. It is not ideal but it's all we can do.

People can choose whether they go to the pub and decide for themselves. Sure they will contribute to a rise in the Ro but as long as it is kept below 1
and we try mitigation measures to compensate for this in other areas (eg: mask wearing in other settings.)
In South Korea they used a system of tracking people by mobile apps and credit card usage so outbreaks from these settings(Bars etc.,) could be traced and isolated quickly.
Did't work in the case of that gay bar incident but they are coping with that and learning from it.
I fully understand that there will be cases that a guy gets in in the pub and then gives it to someone else and this is not fair but what is fair in life?

Pubs aren't important. Stopping the spread of the virus is.

Jim_Hodge

Yes: homemade

MipMap wrote: »

Actually I fully agree. Eventually we are going to have to stop this absolute, Black and White approach to this and to social distancing.
On public transport social distancing 2mtrs 1 mtr it does not matter. It is not practical. Face masks are however so that's what you do.
In pubs, neither is practical so we have to accept that if the publs are going to open then they have to be exempt. It is not ideal but it's all we can do.

People can choose whether they go to the pub and decide for themselves. Sure they will contribute to a rise in the Ro but as long as it is kept below 1
and we try mitigation measures to compensate for this in other areas (eg: mask wearing in other settings.)
In South Korea they used a system of tracking people by mobile apps and credit card usage so outbreaks from these settings(Bars etc.,) could be traced and isolated quickly.
Did't work in the case of that gay bar incident but they are coping with that and learning from it.
I fully understand that there will be cases that a guy gets in in the pub and then gives it to someone else and this is not fair but what is fair in life?

Leaving it open season in pubs and hoping other measures will help abate the impact is lunacy.