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  • #3332
    Elmer Blooker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,254 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    Seanergy wrote: »
    And they are not photographed beside buses for no reason
    when was the last time any of these were on a bus?
    when will any of these even have to take a bus?


  • #3333
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,093 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    No: other
    Wokies being woke for the cameras, since when are masks recommend for the great outdoors. Media are just waiting to trip them up and catch them not wearing masks.
    They won't be mandatory, if they did they'll allow certain workers not to wear them anyway, can't see the guards wearing them.


  • #3334
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    It's clear from social media that they're simply not conveying the purpose of mass mask wearing well enough, still lots of idiots going mad saying they don't protect you from the virus. Could they not clear all of this up at least, get the point about asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spreading through the heads of this thick nation


  • #3335
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Arrival wrote: »
    It's clear from social media that they're simply not conveying the purpose of mass mask wearing well enough, still lots of idiots going mad saying they don't protect you from the virus. Could they not clear all of this up at least, get the point about asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spreading through the heads of this thick nation
    The message is you should wear them where you can't distance, for example, public transport, not everywhere.


  • #3336
    GT89
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    No: I will wait for the HSE to recommend
    If masks are so effective in stopping the spread of Chinese virus and they all wear masks in China then how come the virus got out of China?


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  • #3337
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    GT89 wrote: »
    If masks are so effective in stopping the spread of Chinese virus and they all wear masks in China then how come the virus got out of China?

    :confused:


  • #3338
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,108 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    GT89 wrote: »
    If masks are so effective in stopping the spread of Chinese virus and they all wear masks in China then how come the virus got out of China?

    They weren't wearing masks at the time foreigners were there getting infected.


  • #3339
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    GT89 wrote: »
    If masks are so effective in stopping the spread of Chinese virus and they all wear masks in China then how come the virus got out of China?

    alens.jpg


  • #3340
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?


  • #3341
    ax530
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 494 ✭✭ax530


    alentejo wrote: »
    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?
    good question I have been thinking the same. local supermarket I use has wide aisles and a one way system so I dont come 'face to face' to anyone until the till and they have screeen up.
    I dont feel the need to have a mask in supermarket. I am not sure why supermarkets have been picked as a place where should wear them.
    will individual shops ask people not to come in if no masks ?


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  • #3342
    ednwireland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,738 ✭✭✭✭ednwireland


    No: other
    alentejo wrote: »
    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?

    totally agree with this i normally try to go shopping at quiet times so being socially distant isnt difficult

    My weather

    https://www.ecowitt.net/home/share?authorize=96CT1F



  • #3343
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The message is you should wear them where you can't distance, for example, public transport, not everywhere.

    What relevance does that have to the context of my post


  • #3344
    xhomelezz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭xhomelezz


    Yes: valved
    ednwireland wrote: »
    totally agree with this i normally try to go shopping at quiet times so being socially distant isnt difficult

    I do the same, when it comes to shopping. Local shop opens after 6.30 in the morning, most of the time empty, but sometimes there's few people. But I'm putting mask on every time I go in there, never know how many peeps is inside. Would be a shame to get infected now, after playing it safely for such a long time.


  • #3345
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    alentejo wrote: »
    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?

    When someone with the virus breathes, talks, coughs and sneezes the aerosols and droplets they emit can stay airborne for some time after they've left the area, so yes everyone should be wearing masks indoors as air isn't circulating well enough for this to not be an issue. You are not wearing a mask for protecting yourself but instead on the off chance you could have the virus and do not know you have it or have very mild symptoms, wearing a mask helps reduce the likelihood of you passing it on further. The more people taking this approach, the less the virus spreads: the same aim we had with the lockdown and why we all respected it

    "My mask protects you, your mask protects me" - this only works successfully if we have a high % of people actually playing their part and respecting this guideline, same as has been done in so many other countries already


  • #3346
    Rjd2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,271 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Arrival wrote: »
    When someone with the virus breathes, talks, coughs and sneezes the aerosols and droplets they emit can stay airborne for some time after they've left the area, so yes everyone should be wearing masks indoors as air isn't circulating well enough for this to not be an issue. You are not wearing a mask for protecting yourself but instead on the off chance you could have the virus and do not know you have it or have very mild symptoms, wearing a mask helps reduce the likelihood of you passing it on further. The more people taking this approach, the less the virus spreads: the same aim we had with the lockdown and why we all respected it

    "My mask protects you, your mask protects me" - this only works successfully if we have a high % of people actually playing their part and respecting this guideline, same as has been done in so many other countries already

    Yep public transport and offices are the places that social distancing across the board won't be enforced strongly so mask wearing is absolutely essential.


  • #3347
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    No: other
    Arrival wrote: »
    What relevance does that have to the context of my post
    You claimed people are being thick. They are not, just making a judgement call on the advice.


  • #3348
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,954 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    If you are looking to purchase masks Dunnes Stores are selling 20 of the disposable 3-ply 'blue' surgical masks for €15.
    Available online also.
    https://www.dunnesstores.com/p/face-masks-pack-of-20/3260512

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #3349
    Arrival
    Closed Accounts Posts: 779 ✭✭✭Arrival


    is_that_so wrote: »
    You claimed people are being thick. They are not, just making a judgement call on the advice.

    It wasn't anything to do with the advice, I was saying people seem to be misinformed about the reason why masks are being advised and that the government should clarify the whole reasoning behind them more: asymptomatic and pre-symptomatic spreading plus wearing them to protect others, not ourselves. My post really was not that difficult to follow


  • #3350
    Seanergy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Seanergy


    Yes: valved
    alentejo wrote: »
    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?
    ax530 wrote: »
    good question I have been thinking the same.

    Perspex screens are monuments to low mask supply.

    It's very simple and the answer to your question is yes. You will want a reason with the answer no doubt.

    Perspecs screens are essentially a giant see through live tissue. They are very dangerous to touch accidentally or rub off, which is happening all the time.

    Perspecs screens function to prevent blast droplets from talking, coughing and sneezing landing directly onto and into others. Perspecs screens do not reduce spread, they just prevent direct spread transmission, surfaces areas under them and aorund them still get contaminated from the blast of droplets. These areas also start to become extremly high risk to fomite route.

    In contrast the function of the facecovering/mask is to limit or reduce the blast from getting out into the environment in the first place and they also function amazingly well at reducing/limiting any inhalation of the blast.


  • #3351
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Yes: surgical
    Anyone using a UV light sanitiser to clean theirs instead of washing them?

    If so, please link to the one you bought. Thanks


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  • #3352
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,549 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    alentejo wrote: »
    I have a question about masks. They (HSE / Gov) say that you should use them indoors (eg retail)and when you cant social distance less than 2 meters.

    When I am in a supermarket, I am 99% of the time greater than 2 meters from anyone? Typically the odd time, I might briefly pass someone less than 2 meters distance or at the checkout, however a perspex screen is in place. In this instance should I wear a mask?

    Get a measuring tape, measure out 2 meters.

    It's a lot bigger than everyone thinks.


  • #3353
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 962 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Boggles wrote: »
    Get a measuring tape, measure out 2 meters.

    It's a lot bigger than everyone thinks.

    Some of the "Social Distancing" 2 meter signs in parks etc sometimes look smaller than 2 meters!

    Regarding mask, it is going to be an issue when cafes, bars and restaurants open up!


  • #3354
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,196 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    No: other
    2m doesn't look that big to me: https://twitter.com/corkcitycouncil/status/1268804772309676033


  • #3355
    granturismo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭granturismo


    No: other
    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Anyone using a UV light sanitiser to clean theirs instead of washing them?

    If so, please link to the one you bought. Thanks

    In case anyone isnt aware, UV lights degrade over time so at some stage stop emitting UV light even though they still burn blue. A UV light seems like an over engineered solution and a very dangerous alternative to 60deg C and soap.


  • #3356
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Yes: surgical
    granturismo wrote: »
    alternative to 60deg C and soap.


    Well there is the opinion out there too that constantly doing the above to masks renders them useless


  • #3357
    granturismo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,977 ✭✭✭granturismo


    No: other
    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Well there is the opinion out there too that constantly doing the above to masks renders them useless

    I really doubt that 60degC degrades cotton or linen face coverings to that extent - 100% intact cotton and linen wont stop a viral particle, a washed cloth will have similar efficacy.

    There are opinions and there are facts, these are my opinions.

    I'd suggest that a 60deg C wash on a fragile wash setting will help lengthen the life span of an overpriced €20 face covering. I'm not downplaying face coverings, I've bought one for each of our household for public transport use. They're cotton with a 12 hour additional filter with no filter rating which I bought but I think the cotton will suffice for viral particles in aerosols.

    Are face masks washable?


  • #3358
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Well there is the opinion out there too that constantly doing the above to masks renders them useless

    I hate to say this but. :....... . Link?

    It would take some amount of 60c washing to render a fabric unable to function as a face covering. But I await the information with great curiosity .


  • #3359
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Yes: surgical
    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    I hate to say this but. :....... . Link?
    .

    The HSE worker on here who's doing the AMA https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113742106&postcount=51
    Re: mask sanitation... I’d recommend a UV light sanitiser. Heat could break down the plastic microfibres which create the protection/filtration in a mask and I don’t know how Milton could react with masks but figure it could damage them too.

    This is one of the reasons I bought a UV light steriliser back when I saw this coming.


  • #3360
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,198 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Yes: homemade
    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    The HSE worker on here who's doing the AMA https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113742106&postcount=51

    :D 60c will not break down microfibre plastics and there shouldn't be plastic micro fibres in cotton, or any100% natural material. He's a HSE worker and obviously not a materials expert, nor a laundry expert by the sound of it.

    We're talking about non medical grade covering here. 60c washing on a gentle cycle will remove dirt and viruses and will not degrade the material. U less you plan to put each mask through several hundred washes.


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  • #3361
    ronano
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭ronano


    Yes: homemade
    The government message will hopefully be clearer and get through with the adverts etc. Mask cost is the biggest issue, varies so much.


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