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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #4892
    Naos
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,740 ✭✭✭Naos


    mooseknunkle wrote: »
    Waterford hasn't had a positive case in 8 days ,and at 154 total cases the lowest in country..so what do the Gardai do?,go around to all the business's trying to make a living and tell them they cant have tables outside until the 29th :rolleyes:

    https://waterford-news.ie/2020/06/15/al-fresco-coffees-banned-until-june-29/?fbclid=IwAR2eUM2B-VwVPxblWxkjgbDJ6wzzkMe9_k4JjubnMTshZFS1MRzkcYjFFWI

    While terrible and I'm a big fan of outdoor seating (bar the fact smoking is allowed), there are probably insurance considerations as to why they cannot have seatings there.


  • #4893
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    yosemitesam1 wrote: »
    Much bigger sectors of the economy are struggling and will continue to do so

    36.7% of GDP and 11.2% of employment in 2017 and has boomed since. I would say that's a pretty big sector


  • #4894
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    average_runner wrote: »
    IT is booming, medtech is booming, accounting booming, construction still going strong.

    Everyone I talk to are busier than ever with work.

    :rolleyes:

    I have a feeling in your eyes we are more productive and busy than Germany.

    Try talking to some Mothercare employees, or Oasis employees.


  • #4895
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    average_runner wrote: »
    If Shannon airport has anything to offer, the airlines will return. Things will get back to normal but not over night.

    what a rubbish comment.

    Thats like saying "eventually someone will occupy that 5 floor Debenhams building on Henry St, it wont happen overnight but things will get back to normal"

    :rolleyes:


  • #4896
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    what a rubbish comment.

    Thats like saying "eventually someone will occupy that 5 floor Debenhams building on Henry St, it wont happen overnight but things will get back to normal"

    :rolleyes:

    Debenhams, Mothercare, Monsoon etc were all struggling and would have been lucky to survive another 12 months, max. The fact that covid hit has accelerated their decline, but the underlying businesses were not sustainable.


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  • #4897
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,135 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I have a feeling in your eyes we are more productive and busy than Germany.

    Try talking to some Mothercare employees, or Oasis employees.

    Why did you choose two companies going down the drain anyway?


  • #4898
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Debenhams, Mothercare, Monsoon etc were all struggling and would have been lucky to survive another 12 months, max. The fact that covid hit has accelerated their decline, but the underlying businesses were not sustainable.

    Not necessarily true.

    You assume that whatever happens (as you know businesses do often change management, and private equity model of buying up businesses is with this very change of top management in mind) they ll go bust.

    I know you arent a doom merchant but this is the sort of thing 2nd wave preachers preach... no matter what happens our 2nd wave will be here in October :pac:


  • #4899
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Why did you choose two companies going down the drain anyway?

    Feel like I am in a thread full of fortune tellers.

    If you are all so f*ing smart, why dont you predict 1 more business going bankrupt? Preferably stating a name of such. That isnt in the news yet.


  • #4900
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,135 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Not necessarily true.

    You assume that whatever happens (as you know businesses do often change management, and private equity model of buying up businesses is with this very change of top management in mind) they ll go bust.

    I know you arent a doom merchant but this is the sort of thing 2nd wave preachers preach... no matter what happens our 2nd wave will be here in October :pac:
    Eh Mothercare UK started closing down last November, Oasis was in administration and Monsoon about to do the same. They all had the same woes, financial problems and were barely viable.


  • #4901
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    average_runner wrote: »
    IT is booming, medtech is booming, accounting booming, construction still going strong.

    Everyone I talk to are busier than ever with work.

    I'm pretty sure the performance of the economy is based on a set of wider criteria than your personal social-circle anecdotes.


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  • #4902
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    I have a feeling in your eyes we are more productive and busy than Germany.

    Try talking to some Mothercare employees, or Oasis employees.

    Mothercare was going under for the last 5 years.
    Problem for them was they couldn't compete.
    Oasis is just another one of those shops that were popular in 00's but never moved with the market.

    Retail will struggle but in Ireland there is no creative ideas in the shops .
    Penny's has no issues as they reinvent every few months.

    Campsites are booked out for the summer on weekends, Air BnB are charging over 150 per night for a house on the greenways, and booking out fast.


  • #4903
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    average_runner wrote: »
    Mothercare was going under for the last 5 years.
    Problem for them was they couldn't compete.
    Oasis is just another one of those shops that were popular in 00's but never moved with the market.

    Retail will struggle but in Ireland there is no creative ideas in the shops .
    Penny's has no issues as they reinvent every few months.

    Campsites are booked out for the summer on weekends, Air BnB are charging over 150 per night for a house on the greenways, and booking out fast.

    Two of my siblings have been told their jobs are gone within the next two months and the other is hanging on by a thread. Neither of whom are in hospitality or retail.

    PS they work in sectors which are not a millions miles away from your "booming" sectors above.


  • #4904
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Two of my siblings have been told their jobs are gone within the next two months and the other is hanging on by a thread. Neither of whom are in hospitality or retail.

    PS they work in sectors which are not a millions miles away from your "booming" sectors above.


    That is sad and sorry to hear. But there was always job losses in the boom before covid.


    I know alot of companies would let 50 staff go a year because they were there too long or not up to scratch.


    But these losses are never reported. Food outlets in the city will now struggle with this new style of working, some great ones will go.


    Retail will have to find a way to get the foot count up in the towns and city now, they need to change alot before I be in there, online is just great, means more quality time with the family


  • #4905
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Naos wrote: »
    While terrible and I'm a big fan of outdoor seating (bar the fact smoking is allowed), there are probably insurance considerations as to why they cannot have seatings there.

    We have become way to over regulated and very little flexibility in many areas.


  • #4906
    fleet_admiral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭fleet_admiral


    ALL of those concession type shops are at risk. They got too comfortable within their units inside department stores and didn't move with the times


  • #4907
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    We have become way to over regulated and very little flexibility in many areas.




    But alot of that is down to the people of Ireland. There is a large section of society that will make a claim if cold coffee even falls on them


  • #4908
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The government saying they won’t increase tax or USC reminds me of when we were told a bailout wasn’t needed and then got bailed out a few weeks later.

    We’ve already heard awful news coming from Debenhams, Bewleys, Zara, Monsoon and mothercare.

    Bad news coming out now from Aer Lingus. Bad noises from AIB over the last few months.

    Sales figures and footfall massively down in shops. Social distancing making it impossible for some businesses.

    Things are going to get very bad over here. Feel like the government are trying to downplay it at the minute so we take the virus seriously.

    It will be bad but the last thing we need now is austerity. But we need to get the hell of this crazy situation asap.


  • #4909
    average_runner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,892 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Two of my siblings have been told their jobs are gone within the next two months and the other is hanging on by a thread. Neither of whom are in hospitality or retail.

    PS they work in sectors which are not a millions miles away from your "booming" sectors above.




    But what sector are they servicing? If IT they will get another job. Recruiters are still annoying.


  • #4910
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    average_runner wrote: »
    That is sad and sorry to hear. But there was always job losses in the boom before covid.


    I know alot of companies would let 50 staff go a year because they were there too long or not up to scratch.


    But these losses are never reported. Food outlets in the city will now struggle with this new style of working, some great ones will go.


    Retail will have to find a way to get the foot count up in the towns and city now, they need to change alot before I be in there, online is just great, means more quality time with the family

    These were strong businesses working off small margins (as modern business does) but when shut down for 3 months with bills coming in, dependent on others within a chain, and not been able to rely on debt financing (with equity financing gone) they did not have a chance.

    I am talking about real world not Smurfit MBS thinking.


  • #4911
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    average_runner wrote: »
    So we will go to 7.5% unemployment this year from practically zero and by end of 2021 we back to 1% unemployment.

    Economy will contract by 8% and expand by 6% in 2021.
    If u think this is an f**k economy then you have missed the last big three proper recessions.

    This got thanks? Okay

    We will not return to 7.5% unemployment this year, anything less than 10% would be a huge success.
    We have never, ever had 1% unemployment, in fact 4% is considered to be 'full employment.

    So you're saying our economy will contract by 2% in 2 years and that isn't a major issue? Pre-covid it was growing by 5% per year...big difference


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  • #4912
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Debenhams, Mothercare, Monsoon etc were all struggling and would have been lucky to survive another 12 months, max. The fact that covid hit has accelerated their decline, but the underlying businesses were not sustainable.


    Couldn't this same logic be applied to many of the people who passed having been diagnosed with covid?

    "would have been lucky to survive another 12 months, max. The fact that covid hit has accelerated their decline"


  • #4913
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Captain_Crash wrote: »
    Couldn't this same logic be applied to many of the people who passed having been diagnosed with covid?

    "would have been lucky to survive another 12 months, max. The fact that covid hit has accelerated their decline"

    I think most of us would choose and extra 12 months for our mothers over and extra 12 months for Mothercare


  • #4914
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Let me get this right, it's okay to fear monger about the economy but it's not okay to fear monger about the virus...yeah?

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  • #4915
    Ginger n Lemon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Penfailed wrote: »
    Let me get this right, it's okay to fear monger about the economy but it's not okay to fear monger about the virus...yeah?

    Correct.

    Fear mongering about the virus is like picking stocks, you ll be wrong 99.9% of the time with your predictions.

    Fear mongering about companies being reported liquidating is quite the opposite, 99% they will liquidate and economy will get substantially worse (already got substantially worse and continues to decimate every day)

    Remember, afterall, Gerry Killeen fear mongers and predicts biblical plague of covid by Xmas. You dont want to be like Gerry.


  • #4916
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think most of us would choose and extra 12 months for our mothers over and extra 12 months for Mothercare

    Yeah, funnily enough that isn't how things work.


  • #4917
    Captain_Crash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,015 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think most of us would choose and extra 12 months for our mothers over and extra 12 months for Mothercare


    I'm not suggesting anyone choose, or saying that losing a business is anywhere near equal to losing a loved one... I'm pointing out that when someone mentions Debs or Monsoon or another closed store the immediate reaction is "well they had issues before"... which is entirely true...

    But its also the case that many of the deaths from this are people who had issues before, yet the same logic isn't applied. Putting perspective on something doesn't make anyone less heartfelt about the situation.


  • #4918
    facehugger99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,888 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think most of us would choose and extra 12 months for our mothers over and extra 12 months for Mothercare

    I sometimes envy people who never have to engage their brains - must be wonderful.


  • #4919
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    I sometimes envy people who never have to engage their brains - must be wonderful.

    Going by your posts you must be in a constant state of euphoria then.


  • #4920
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,462 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    So someone contacted the gardai over bookies being open. Really do have to question the mentality of some people in this country if that's what they have to complain about. If I'm miserable you can all be misersble with me

    https://twitter.com/Ui_Maine/status/1272830145020284928?s=19


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  • #4921
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,583 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Correct.

    Fear mongering about the virus is like picking stocks, you ll be wrong 99.9% of the time with your predictions.

    Fear mongering about companies being reported liquidating is quite the opposite, 99% they will liquidate and economy will get substantially worse (already got substantially worse and continues to decimate every day)

    Remember, afterall, Gerry Killeen fear mongers and predicts biblical plague of covid by Xmas. You dont want to be like Gerry.

    Well given Beijing has entered lockdown across 20 neighborhoods, schools sports etc included after being covid free for 56 days, who knows what the future holds.

    Some people don't have a life outside of money, they are extremely sad and never seem to be happy. Also often the first to top themselves when they lose their investments.

    Those that don't let money become their life, tend to survive and even be happy despite what thrown at them and not spend their entire life bitching.


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