Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

All of that in bold is absolute rubbish.

The ifs and the buts :rolleyes:

We don't have absolute certainty what is going to happen over the next few months, and some of us rely on current science and medical data rather than a vacuous sense of confidence as to what will happen in the future.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

Very telling the amount of comments here that loved the lockdown- all warm apple pie stuff. Which is fair enough. But who pays for it? The public delusion is sort of breathtaking. I guess it’s probably not you surprising as FG have not been honest.

https://www.facebook.com/45441411157/posts/10157533704381158/

"I'd like a shutdown once a year, I loved it". Christ almighty

road_high

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

18 new cases today. no deaths.

I know I havent said this in a long time but - open up the damn country.

If there is a single business still closed by "NPHET and govts advice" come 29th of June, would just be a disaster and a national tragedy.

What surprised me is the extremely slow pace some are reopening? I find that a bit concerning. I thought after 3 months closed the vast majority would be easy and raring to go?
Took a stroll down my local main shop centre earlier for a look and hardly half were reopened yet. Tk maxx, R island, Next all not ready or opened yet. Lots of eateries closed still. Costa coffee baffles me.
Have seen some definite casualties too like Monsoon and Shoes Direct (?) leaving large holes in a struggling shopping centre. Debenhams nationally is a huge void

Ginger n Lemon

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"I'd like a shutdown once a year, I loved it". Christ almighty

:rolleyes:

Probably voted that we are lifting restrictions too quickly in that Journal poll.

Sofa King

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I saw that. Goahead bus service, Wexford bus and CIE are all looking for govts help. Sad

I would imagine that if they did reduce it to 1 metre then all these companies would start opening up again, as it stands, 2 metres is not viable for a private operator.

GoBus
Citylink (Eireagle)
JJ Kavanagh
Dublin Coach
Wexford Bus

All serious players in their own right, and I have not even included the tour operators in that.

is_that_so

road_high wrote: »

What surprised me is the extremely slow pace some are reopening? I find that a bit concerning. I thought after 3 months closed the vast majority would be easy and raring to go?
Took a stroll down my local main shop centre earlier for a look and hardly half were reopened yet. Tk maxx, R island, Next all not ready or opened yet. Lots of eateries closed still. Costa coffee baffles me.
Have seen some definite casualties too like Monsoon and Shoes Direct (?) leaving large holes in a struggling shopping centre. Debenhams nationally is a huge void

Restaurants and eateries are June 29 and today is the first day of SCs reopening. Some of the shops may not be fully ready just yet.

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

"I'd like a shutdown once a year, I loved it". Christ almighty

I didn’t even read thought them all. They’re cringe inducing. Are we a pack of lazy ***** as a nation? That’s about all I could conclude from this. And not very intelligent to boot

road_high

Sofa King wrote: »

I would imagine that if they did reduce it to 1 metre then all these companies would start opening up again, as it stands, 2 metres is not viable for a private operator.

GoBus
Citylink (Eireagle)
JJ Kavanagh
Dublin Coach
Wexford Bus

All serious players in their own right, and I have not even included the tour operators in that.

I live in Kilkenny - our main public transport apart from Irish rail to Dublin are Kavanagh and dub coach. It’s extremely important for connectivity they restart ASAP.

growleaves

It shows the passivity of people that instead of organising their own lives around a reduction of commercialism, work/life balance, frugality and other difficult-to-make - but maybe ultimately positive - choices, they praise an extreme and sudden imposition of lockdown on everyone as a pressure release valve.

People who enjoy lockdown qua lockdown should be looking at changing their own lives and taking responsibility for that, not hoping for the whole country to be frozen shut again.

road_high

is_that_so wrote: »

Restaurants and eateries are June 29 and today is the first day of SCs reopening. Some of the shops may not be fully ready just yet.

I suppose many aren’t bothered doing take aways, I think that market is already saturated. All these places are dependent solely on local trade too (no tourists or business travel) which is a big loss

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

It shows the passivity of people that instead of organising their own lives around a reduction of commercialism, work/life balance, frugality and other difficult-to-make - but maybe ultimately positive - choices, they praise an extreme and sudden imposition of lockdown on everyone as a pressure release valve.

People who enjoy lockdown qua lockdown should be looking at changing their own lives and taking responsibility for that, not hoping for the whole country to be frozen shut again.

Yeah similar comments on reddit are really irritating me.

road_high

AdamD wrote: »

Yeah similar comments on reddit are really irritating me.

To be honest I think it’s a tsunami you can’t fight against. But if the state couldn’t access cheap quick easy finance then things would be a hell of a lot different.
We’re adding about 20% by conservative estimates to the national debt in a manner of months. Surely there can’t be no consequences to that?

Stheno

road_high wrote: »

What surprised me is the extremely slow pace some are reopening? I find that a bit concerning. I thought after 3 months closed the vast majority would be easy and raring to go?
Took a stroll down my local main shop centre earlier for a look and hardly half were reopened yet. Tk maxx, R island, Next all not ready or opened yet. Lots of eateries closed still. Costa coffee baffles me.
Have seen some definite casualties too like Monsoon and Shoes Direct (?) leaving large holes in a struggling shopping centre. Debenhams nationally is a huge void

Shopping centres were not due to open until August tenth and it was brought forward to today with fairly short notice, so I guess some shops were caught on the hop

Goldengirl

road_high wrote: »

I live in Kilkenny - our main public transport apart from Irish rail to Dublin are Kavanagh and dub coach. It’s extremely important for connectivity they restart ASAP.

Ah now it's clear!

road_high

Stheno wrote: »

Shopping centres were not due to open until August tenth and it was brought forward to today with fairly short notice, so I guess some shops were caught on the hop

Yes that must be it. There’s likely a huge lot of work to do with rehiring and re-rostering staff- Any evident reluctance to go back if part time (I’d say nearly the majority are these days) as the Covid payment pays more than working still?
Also stock levels are low enough in the few shops I’ve been to, notably two sport shops I was in

KrustyUCC

No coronavirus deaths in North, hotels to reopen sooner

Arlene Foster confirmed that the date for the reopening of hotels is set to be brought forward from 20 July.

Stormont ministers will consider a proposal tabled by Economy Minister Diane Dodds that hotels, bars, cafes and restaurants could all resume business on 3 July.

Only hotels had previously had an indicative opening date - 20 July - with other hospitality outlets having been unclear when they could potentially start trading again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0615/1147564-north-covid-figures/

Good sign in fairness

MickeyLeari

KrustyUCC wrote: »

No coronavirus deaths in North, hotels to reopen sooner

Arlene Foster confirmed that the date for the reopening of hotels is set to be brought forward from 20 July.

Stormont ministers will consider a proposal tabled by Economy Minister Diane Dodds that hotels, bars, cafes and restaurants could all resume business on 3 July.

Only hotels had previously had an indicative opening date - 20 July - with other hospitality outlets having been unclear when they could potentially start trading again.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0615/1147564-north-covid-figures/

Good sign in fairness

Sensible. Will be nice for people in the border counties to be able to get a pint without a substantial dinner.

EltonJohn69

So barbers opening up soon/early ? I need to get my wig Adjusted

road_high

When are hotels bars restaurants scheduled to open on the south then? With the changes Ive lost track is it 29th June?
Hairdressers etc should be brought forward. What is the point in waiting two more weeks? All costing a fortune in unnecessary welfare payments. Such wasteful public spending

Ginger n Lemon

I am too poor and dont have IT subscription (not that I would get it if had money, they write rubbish articles about 2nd waves every week)

But below looks promising as a headline?

Programme for government: Carbon tax increases but no hikes in income tax or USC
Fianna Fáil, Fine Gael and the Greens agree draft with Martin set to become next taoiseach

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/programme-for-government-carbon-tax-increases-but-no-hikes-in-income-tax-or-usc-1.4279318?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fpolitics%2Fprogramme-for-government-carbon-tax-increases-but-no-hikes-in-income-tax-or-usc-1.4279318

Can someone confirm/deny if no income tax increases or USC?

KrustyUCC

road_high wrote: »

When are hotels bars restaurants scheduled to open on the south then? With the changes Ive lost track is it 29th June?
Hairdressers etc should be brought forward. What is the point in waiting two more weeks? All costing a fortune in unnecessary welfare payments. Such wasteful public spending

29th afaik

dalyboy

road_high wrote: »

When are hotels bars restaurants scheduled to open on the south then? With the changes Ive lost track is it 29th June?
Hairdressers etc should be brought forward. What is the point in waiting two more weeks? All costing a fortune in unnecessary welfare payments. Such wasteful public spending

Open from the 29th. No swimming pools , bars , kids entertainment, restaurants, spas , saunas , buffets , gyms , assured sunshine or happy faces available, sounds like a blast ! . Makes me relieved I’ve booked Malaga for mid August.

stephenjmcd

road_high wrote: »

When are hotels bars restaurants scheduled to open on the south then? With the changes Ive lost track is it 29th June?
Hairdressers etc should be brought forward. What is the point in waiting two more weeks? All costing a fortune in unnecessary welfare payments. Such wasteful public spending

29th but the rephasing will apparently be given to government this week. At the moment on the 29th you've to be having a meal in hotel bars to use them.

Hairdressers etc they haven't given any hints yet.

Don't see how if the current case levels continue that we couldn't in 2 weeks time have almost everything open.

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

29th but the rephasing will apparently be given to government this week. At the moment on the 29th you've to be having a meal in hotel bars to use them.

Hairdressers etc they haven't given any hints yet.

Don't see how if the current case levels continue that we couldn't in 2 weeks time have almost everything open.

There’s a large cohort eager to hang on to some vestige of lockdown as long as possible. It’s like a crutch to them

Muscles Schultz

road_high wrote: »

There’s a large cohort eager to hang on to some vestige of lockdown as long as possible. It’s like a crutch to them

There’s definitely some deviant incel group that the lockdown has suited. Makes them feel normal.

road_high

The lockdown wins just keep coming...again bizarrely people seem shocked and surprised by news like this on social media. What rock do they live under? Of course closed up tourism means no flights and no jobs... ;
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/550635/breaking-united-airlines-won-t-resume-daily-service-to-new-york.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

MickeyLeari

road_high wrote: »

The lockdown wins just keep coming...again bizarrely people seem shocked and surprised by news like this on social media. What rock do they live under? Of course closed up tourism means no flights and no jobs... ;
https://www.limerickleader.ie/news/home/550635/breaking-united-airlines-won-t-resume-daily-service-to-new-york.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

We were just economic capitalist hawks in here highlighting the dame of the unnecessarily prolonged lockdown.

jay0109

I knew the airports were always open but I was under the impression that was for Irish nationals returning and non Irish leaving here to go home. But to listen to Liveline today and hear that Brazilians are still coming into Ireland to start language school courses (aka take u full time employment) was a bit shocking.
Of all the places right now to be letting people in from, Brazil!

road_high

Sharon Ni Bheolain RTE News-re Aer Lingus cuts- "this is pretty dramatic stuff..." yes you dumb cushioned public servant- when a business is doing 5% of normal business you can expect massive job and pay cuts :rolleyes:

MickeyLeari

road_high wrote: »

Sharon Ni Bheolain RTE News-re Aer Lingus cuts- "this is pretty dramatic stuff..." yes you dumb cushioned public servant- when a business is doing 5% of normal business you can expect massive job and pay cuts :rolleyes:

The penny is starting to drop.