Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings

rob316 · 09-06-2020 07:04PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

9 new cases today, 2nd day in a row new cases in single digits.

Right direction.

Given that there was a 3000 + protest on 1st of June (over 8 days ago) it can be safe to say that there doesnt seem to be a spike in infections (but this can be 100% confirmed up to 6 days from now)

Because the whole thing has just died out. Other countries at the end of their wave have been saying it for awhile

Benimar · 09-06-2020 07:17PM

Acosta wrote: »

Anyone have any idea on when limited team sports will resume, like the opening up of 6 aside football pitches?

Will be a while I’d imagine. Hard to social distance playing 5 a side!

Probably won’t be allowed until FAI allow matches to resume.

Cork Boy 53 · 09-06-2020 07:29PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Not everyone. There's a fella posting here who wouldn't enter a shop if he had to wear a mask. He said he'd take his business elsewhere. That would be difficult if it was enforced everywhere in fairness.

A group of keyboard warriors here who say they will do this or won`t do that due to restriction measures who in reality will just do what they are supposed to do. A great deal of this pontificating should be taken with a large dose of salt.

Utopia Parkway · 09-06-2020 07:29PM

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Dismal reading about reopening guidelines for hospitality, tourism and retail.

Yes things were sped along by pressure from business, big and small, on government to jump-start reopening of economy, due to low numbers of infections and deaths. And the money spent to sustain current restrictions will soon run out.

Solution? Well, let them open up then - but we'll put such ridiculous guidelines in place that it won't be worth their while continuing to trade, were they to adhere to the reopening guidelines.

But our asses will be covered, and we can't be held accountable for a no-longer viable business *shrug* - not our fault the vastly reduced footfall through your door doesn't cover your lease, insurances, wages, overheads, rates - you're allowed trade aren't you? We've done what we can, no more handouts for you.

IT today talking about the onus being on hotel staff to police an event to ensure social distancing is being adhered to. Do they mean a tap on the shoulder to move apart. Seriously? A teenage part-time event worker now bears responsibility for preventing the spread of Covid-19 in a gathering of grown adults?

Total abdication by authorities for responsibility, as per. I just feel so bad for small businesses thrown a lifeline by early lifting of restrictions only to be shackled by health and safety guidelines thought up by a group of people so far removed from those they are supposed to represent it's soul-crushing.

Okay so prevailing thinking is that gatherings of people indoors is high-risk for resurgences - yes it does seem that for now that is the reality, but Christ, those in charge are paid enough money to come up with a viable solution. Keep them closed and protect them properly in the short-term if the danger is so great in reopening. Or find a compromise so they can trade without making a loss.

Regardless of where you stand on easing of restrictions, this weak, ass-covering reopening is not the solution to rebooting the economy.

My partners family own a fairly well known B&B in their region and had planned on reopening but having read a 51 page document today jammed full of regulations and protocols they are now thinking of just throwing their hat at it for 2020 and closing it up until next year. They are fair disillusioned.

Between sanitising stations and sanitising solution alone they would probably be spending somewhere between 1k to 2k before a visitor had even crossed the threshold. And they just don't have the space to enforce 2M of social distancing unless they only fill a handful of their rooms.

Micky 32 · 09-06-2020 07:33PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

A group of keyboard warriors here who say they will do this or won`t do that due to restriction measures who in reality will justdo what they are supposed to do. A great deal of this pontificating should be taken with a large dose of salt.

I don’t know about salt but this post tastes of something very sour.

Cork Boy 53 · 09-06-2020 07:36PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I don’t know about salt but this post tastes of something very sour.

Really? And what would that be bud?

Micky 32 · 09-06-2020 07:37PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Really? And what would that be bud?

It’s hard to know but certainly makes ones eyes water.

ShyMets · 09-06-2020 07:38PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

My partners family own a fairly well known B&B in their region and had planned on reopening but having read a 51 page document today jammed full of regulations and protocols they are now thinking of just throwing their hat at it for 2020 and closing it up until next year. They are fair disillusioned.

Between sanitising stations and solution they would probably be spending somewhere between 1k to 2k before a visitor had even crossed the threshold.

Understandable why they feel that way. On the plus I dont think these guidelines will be enforce for too long. They're more or less unworkable. Hopefully common sense prevails and we get something more realistic

Chicoso · 09-06-2020 07:40PM

I'm a one-page-man

Too much detail in the restrictions 6 here 25 there

What's that all about

Santy2015 · 09-06-2020 07:50PM

Cillian De Gascun saying not enough evidence for the use of cloth face masks!
Luke O Neill has gone very very negative, considering at the start of this he was confident and spoke well about treatments, possible vaccines and how were handling it..
As I said before, we all need to take personal responsibility now and if you want to wear the mask, gloves etc work away. I’m just not doing it.

09-06-2020 07:53PM

Genuinely can’t believe some of the rubbish I’m reading and hearing in the media / social media and on here. Lots of people actually whinging that think we’re moving too fast!!! The curve was flattened over a month ago now.

If anything, it’s incredible to think that we still have travel restrictions in place. No other country is doing this.

Lots of counties are Covid free. 9 cases yesterday and today. Protest was over a week ago now. No social distancing at all. Why no spike in cases? Surely a bunch would be showing symptoms by now.

Other countries are almost fully reopen, where are the spikes? Hell even our neighbours are getting there now.

Does anybody here want to go back into lockdown? Would anybody willingly admit it? If so, why?

growleaves · 09-06-2020 07:57PM

NI speeds up reopening amid claims Republic is at an ‘advantage’

In a joint statement issued along with their counterparts in Belfast, Derry and the North coast, Colm Shannon, the chief executive of Newry Chamber of Commerce and Trade, said that with hotels, pubs and restaurants in the Republic due to reopen on June 29th, hospitality businesses, particularly in Border areas, were at a competitive disadvantage.

“July is the peak season and if the southern hospitality sector is allowed to trade from June 29th, our hotels, restaurants, pubs and B&Bs will suffer further losses,” he said.

“Many families will have to stay at home for their holidays this summer and our hospitality sector needs the opportunity to compete for this staycation business.”

Van.Bosch · 09-06-2020 08:00PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Does anybody here want to go back into lockdown? Would anybody willingly admit it? If so, why?

I’d accept 10days more total lockdown, back to the peak everything closed except groceries if after that we went back to normal

Utopia Parkway · 09-06-2020 08:03PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun saying not enough evidence for the use of cloth face masks!
Luke O Neill has gone very very negative, considering at the start of this he was confident and spoke well about treatments, possible vaccines and how were handling it..
As I said before, we all need to take personal responsibility now and if you want to wear the mask, gloves etc work away. I’m just not doing it.

They are blaming people for not wearing masks when their own advice on the matter has been all over the shop from the beginning.

Masks are actually dangerous. Masks don't do anything. Well maybe masks are useful in certain circumstances. It might be a good idea to wear a mask. Everyone wear a mask! Actually but cloth masks are not much use.

Benimar · 09-06-2020 08:06PM

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-06-09/spanish-cabinet-approves-decree-for-new-normality-after-coronavirus-state-of-alarm-ends.html

Better have the mask ready for your Spanish holidays lads

stephenjmcd · 09-06-2020 08:10PM

Benimar wrote: »

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-06-09/spanish-cabinet-approves-decree-for-new-normality-after-coronavirus-state-of-alarm-ends.html

Better have the mask ready for your Spanish holidays lads

Keep your distance its quite simple, spaces where you can't distance public transport the same as here then, just your forced to wear them in Spain on transport instead of being recommended here.

Hardly going to be wearing a mask when your on a beach or by a pool, likewise if your out and about in the evening there's no requirement to wear them.

Could quite easily go on holidays and have to wear one a handful of times.

Not a big deal really is it?

Looking forward to a break in Spain in August / September

Penfailed · 09-06-2020 08:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

If anything, it’s incredible to think that we still have travel restrictions in place. No other country is doing this.

It's still five miles in Wales.

Deleted User wrote: »

Lots of counties are Covid free. 9 cases yesterday and today. Protest was over a week ago now. No social distancing at all. Why no spike in cases? Surely a bunch would be showing symptoms by now.

It takes up to eleven days for symptoms to show. I don't know about other protests but at the BLM protest in Derry, everyone socially distanced and everyone wore masks. They had markers on the ground in the Guildhall Square and stewards handing out hand sanitiser. It didn't stop the PSNI handing out around 40 fines to people though.

Deleted User wrote: »

Does anybody here want to go back into lockdown? Would anybody willingly admit it? If so, why?

I certainly don't.

Santy2015 · 09-06-2020 08:14PM

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

They are blaming people for not wearing masks when their own advice on the matter has been all over the shop from the beginning.

Masks are actually dangerous. Masks don't do anything. Well maybe masks are useful in certain circumstances. It might be a good idea to wear a mask. Everyone wear a mask! Actually but cloth masks are not much use.

Another take I have on masks. Let’s you buy the 50 masks for €34 in Lidl or wherever. I’d have a good feeling these masks will be reused. These are supposed to disposable.. and again 90% of people haven’t a bulls notion how to use them as previous posters have seen and witnessed

Ginger n Lemon · 09-06-2020 08:19PM

Penfailed wrote: »

It's still five miles in Wales.

It takes up to eleven days for symptoms to show. I don't know about other protests but at the BLM protest in Derry, everyone socially distanced and everyone wore masks. They had markers on the ground in the Guildhall Square and stewards handing out hand sanitiser. It didn't stop the PSNI handing out around 40 fines to people though.

I certainly don't.

Not to argue, just to disagree (we argued plenty this morning enough is enough

), below indicates 5-7 days average to show symptoms, looks credible (CDC, Lancet, WHO) the 3 musketeers

"Once a person has contracted coronavirus, it can take 2–14 days for symptoms to appear. The average incubation period appears to be roughly 5–6 days.

According to the World Health Organization (WHO), symptoms of coronavirus can be mild and come on gradually. According to The Lancet, when hospital admission is necessary, this typically occurs from 7 days onwards.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) state that a person with COVID-19 can experience a wide range of symptoms, often including a dry cough and shortness of breath."

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/coronavirus-early-symptoms#early-symptoms

I think we can all agree that symptoms can be expected to be shown within a week. I do appreciate 2-14 day range though but we are talking about a protest of 3000 + people, its highly unlikely all infected from 3000 + gathering dont show any symptoms until day 9/10/11

Our numbers are very low and fragile last couple of days, any sort of spike would be clearly visible, maybe tomorrow? hope not though

Dr. Bre · 09-06-2020 08:21PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

A group of keyboard warriors here who say they will do this or won`t do that due to restriction measures who in reality will just do what they are supposed to do. A great deal of this pontificating should be taken with a large dose of salt.

Life must go on

Flickerfusion · 09-06-2020 08:22PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Another take I have on masks. Let’s you buy the 50 masks for €34 in Lidl or wherever. I’d have a good feeling these masks will be reused. These are supposed to disposable.. and again 90% of people haven’t a bulls notion how to use them as previous posters have seen and witnessed

All the masks are really doing in this context is providing a simple baffle type filter to stop people from blowing virus particles and mucous around the place if they breath heavily, cough or sneeze by interfering with the flow of breath. They're not filter respirators and they're not being used in high-infection environments like hospitals, in which case they really do need to be managed much more carefully if you're using them as PPE.

If they're reused, I'm not really seeing how that changes as they're not filter masks. They might be a risk to someone who handles the mask if the person wearing it is infected, but that's about it.

Whatever about general use, if you're prone to sneezing e.g. you've hay fever (which many of us do) on the principle of precaution, wearing one would be a good idea to prevent spread of viruses if you did have any present.

growleaves · 09-06-2020 08:42PM

Northern Ireland's health minister talking about the creation of an outdoor cafe culture. If you can heat them properly and shelter them from rain great, but otherwise?

Penfailed · 09-06-2020 08:44PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Not to argue, just to disagree (we argued plenty this morning enough is enough ), below indicates 5-7 days average to show symptoms, looks credible (CDC, Lancet, WHO) the 3 musketeers

"Once a person has contracted coronavirus, it can take 2–14 days for symptoms to appear.

Not to disagree...but l said, "up to eleven days." You (or the three musketeers) are saying up to fourteen days. I agree that the average is around six days

iamwhoiam · 09-06-2020 08:55PM

Instead of telling us we might misuse masks why are they not telling us HOW to use them . A video on the proper use and how to put them on and off repeated on TV etc would be far more beneficial than whinging that we might do it wrong

prunudo · 09-06-2020 09:01PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun saying not enough evidence for the use of cloth face masks!
Luke O Neill has gone very very negative, considering at the start of this he was confident and spoke well about treatments, possible vaccines and how were handling it..
As I said before, we all need to take personal responsibility now and if you want to wear the mask, gloves etc work away. I’m just not doing it.

He's probably been spending too much time as a contributor on The Pat Kenny show. He's as bad as rte for doom and gloom and constantly giving out about not seeing people wearing masks on his travels. 90% of which seem to be walks around Dalkey so not sure why hes expecting people to wear masks out in the fresh air.

Flickerfusion · 09-06-2020 09:02PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Instead of telling us we might misuse masks why are they not telling us HOW to use them . A video on the proper use and how to put them on and off repeated on TV etc would be far more beneficial than whinging that we might do it wrong

I think they just need to get the message across that they are for OTHER'S protection and do not prevent you from get COVID-19

They are not a FFP2 / FFP3 respirator. If you want to go around wearing one of those, consult the instructions for putting them on.

The guidelines for use in Germany and so on are really simple and they're not fixated on medical style 'donning and doffing' as they are not PPE in that sense, they're just simple masks.

Cork Boy 53 · 09-06-2020 09:06PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Instead of telling us we might misuse masks why are they not telling us HOW to use them . A video on the proper use and how to put them on and off repeated on TV etc would be far more beneficial than whinging that we might do it wrong

As the HSE consultant on the AMA thread on these forums pointed out months ago there are, or at least were at the time he posted about them, a number of Youtube videos on how to use masks properly.

iamwhoiam · 09-06-2020 09:21PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

As the HSE consultant on the AMA thread on these forums pointed out months ago there are, or at least were at the time he posted about them, a number of Youtube videos on how to use masks properly.

Yeh i know . Am thinking more of a video on masks like the hand washing one . One that is played over and over and eventually might sink in .

Bits_n_Bobs · 09-06-2020 09:25PM

Sammy2012 wrote: »

Why are hairdressers not allowed to open until the 20th of July??

Same reason there are fences at the cliffs of mother...

frillyleaf · 09-06-2020 09:27PM

Santy2015 wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun saying not enough evidence for the use of cloth face masks!
Luke O Neill has gone very very negative, considering at the start of this he was confident and spoke well about treatments, possible vaccines and how were handling it..
As I said before, we all need to take personal responsibility now and if you want to wear the mask, gloves etc work away. I’m just not doing it.

Why are you saying Luke O Neill has gone negative? He has always been optimistic about this and how we are handling it

Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - Read OP for Mod Warnings