Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Micky 32

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's quite funny as well to see older people throw themselves onto the road to avoid walking close to me as I walk as normal on the footpath. Lemming idiots.

That maybe due to BO issues?

Ginger n Lemon

So much for V shaped recovery

For those that re-opened during Phase One, “extremely low” business levels were reported with Chambers finding that these businesses “are typically experiencing less than half of their usual levels of business activity for this time of year”.

https://www.thejournal.ie/chambers-ireland-survey-5118768-Jun2020/

Its clear that whatever large queues carry on is genuinely first couple of days - business activity is low after re opening. Just open everything up and let it slowly pick up rather than haemorrhaging cash out of small businesses for another 3 weeks.

paw patrol

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

With new cases in single digits this week, they'd really should demand to reopen by Monday 15th. Along with every other business.

Maintain 1 metre social distancing.

Get the country back working.

And, ofcourse, dont forget a bit of waffle - stay local :pac:

i agree with your sentiment but I'd question the 1m social distancing .
Like there are fcuk all cases of covid knocking about.
What are we distancing for? Where is the infection going to come from if doesn't exist within the population .
The only risk is importing it from aboard.

Everything should be back to normal asap - that includes niteclubs etc...
There is no basis for keeping measures going...

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So much for V shaped recovery

[For those that re-opened during Phase One, “extremely low” business levels were reported with Chambers finding that these businesses “are typically experiencing less than half of their usual levels of business activity for this time of year”.

https://www.thejournal.ie/chambers-ireland-survey-5118768-Jun2020/

Its clear that whatever large queues carry on is genuinely first couple of days - business activity is low after re opening. Just open everything up and let it slowly pick up rather than haemorrhaging cash out of small businesses for another 3 weeks.

And you've made this prognosis in what 2 days?

leahyl

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What a horrible post .I am one of those who will walk out to avoid contact .I have my reasons and its got nothing to do with you how i avoid contacts .Its not like they shove you out on the road is it

I agree, if i'm passing anyone, I make the effort to move out of their way. In fact, yesterday I was passing an old lady and stepped off the footpath as it was narrow and there were no cars coming anyway, and she thanked me - she looked like she was a bit nervous. It's nice to be nice.

paw patrol

Assetbacked wrote: »

It's quite funny as well to see older people throw themselves onto the road to avoid walking close to me as I walk as normal on the footpath. Lemming idiots.

it's funny alright , the absolute terror people have cos the man on the telly told them.
do these "high risk" people not realise they are "high risk" from almost everything...but these special case has them in terror . odd.

Although old people aren't the worst, the worst are the mammy types - the "karen" types to use the internet vernacular.
They eyeball you with both fear and contempt behind their masks for the crime of wanting to shop at the same time as them

ednwireland

is_that_so wrote: »

And you've made this prognosis in what 2 days?

phase 1 started on 18th may
the survey was on the phase 1 reopening

is_that_so

ednwireland wrote: »

phase 1 started on 18th may
the survey was on the phase 1 reopening

Phase 1 didn't really open very much at all and we were limited to 5km. Logic suggests that stat is blindingly obvious. Monday was the first day of potential large movements of people. We'll see in Phase 3 where things are going.

Icantthinkof1

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

average_runner

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

So much for V shaped recovery

For those that re-opened during Phase One, “extremely low” business levels were reported with Chambers finding that these businesses “are typically experiencing less than half of their usual levels of business activity for this time of year”.

https://www.thejournal.ie/chambers-ireland-survey-5118768-Jun2020/

Its clear that whatever large queues carry on is genuinely first couple of days - business activity is low after re opening. Just open everything up and let it slowly pick up rather than haemorrhaging cash out of small businesses for another 3 weeks.

But everyone knew it would take at least a few months to get things going. Sweden stayed open and they are down around 70% also.


I think what people have realised, we don't need to spend all our time in the shops, we have great parks to spend time instead. There is more to life than shops. When bad weather comes, things will pick up.


I won't go near a shopping centre etc during the summer. No need.
Getting new carpets and the shop is coming to us

Ginger n Lemon

paw patrol wrote: »

i agree with you sentiment but I'd question the 1m social distancing .
Like there are fcuk all cases of covid knocking about.
What are we distancing for? Where is the infection going to come from if doesn't exist within the population .
The only risk is importing it from aboard.

Everything should be back to normal asap - that includes niteclubs etc...
There is no basis for keeping measures going...

That in bold I dont know. People just like to feel safe I guess.

Better safe than sorry approach.

But I do agree that everything should be back to normal as soon as possible, like Monday 15th of June is a good day for that. We flattened the curve, please gtfo and let us live our lives normally, if someone wants to hide from the virus or stay 5 metres away from others and wear masks + gloves everytime they leave their house - fine do that. But dont be imposing this nonsense onto others.

Ginger n Lemon

is_that_so wrote: »

Phase 1 didn't really open very much at all and we were limited to 5km. Logic suggests that stat is blindingly obvious. Monday was the first day of potential large movements of people. We'll see in Phase 3 where things are going.

Is that so?




:pac:

Woodies large queues ring a bell? come on now - phase 1 50% business activity of the usual levels. Not good. Recovery shape seems to be L rather than a V thats what the article was about

Ginger n Lemon

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

I can sympathise with those who are concerned with businesses and/or the economy as a whole even if I don't agree with a lot of their points, but the self proclaimed "free-thinkers" mocking vulnerable people for being worried about the virus or wearing masks would want to take a fecking look at themselves.

I dont mock anyone. I understand people are afraid and feel safer in a mask. that is cool. I see good few elderly people in Aldi and always make way for them.

Whats not cool is some people coming to this thread and saying "these imbeciles who arent wearing masks whats wrong with them, we ll never defeat the virus with those plonkers on board"

But this is a hypothetical conversation - i think we can all agree whatever your location mask uptake is 1 - 5% in the area. 95% to go lol just not happening.

plodder

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

That's not on. You or she should complain to their employer.

storker

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

Are you sure it wasn't some of the posters on this thread that she bumped into?

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Is that so?




:pac:

Woodies large queues ring a bell? come on now - phase 1 50% business activity of the usual levels. Not good. Recovery shape seems to be L rather than a V thats what the article was about

And yet not what you chose to say! Woodies - 37 locations is your evidence? The evidence for your claim is weak to non-existent. Now if we get data like this from the end of July then we can see a trend, not after 3 weeks of limited shopping in a 5km radius as your model.

Micky 32

storker wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't some of the posters on this thread that she bumped into?

You mean the curtain twitchers mocking someone on the street who is enjoying the easing of the restrictions? Quite possible.

Breezin

iamwhoiam wrote: »

What a horrible post .I am one of those who will walk out to avoid contact .I have my reasons and its got nothing to do with you how i avoid contacts .Its not like they shove you out on the road is it

Fully agree. I am one of those who have been criticising some of the extremely dumb aspects of the lockdown and our reaction to the virus generally, but there is no call for that sort of idiocy. Some people are actually still vulnerable and are entitled to protect themselves.

A younger person meeting a senior citizen on a footpath is obliged, just by the rules of decency, to maintain distancing.

_Kaiser_

Gavlor wrote: »

He could have said that yesterday, before I shaved my head

Wouldn't worry ... even if it happens it'll be at least another week before there's any point in even going to one with the inevitable rush that'll ensue.

I've gotten pretty good at the "4 all over" Covid cut with the trimmer.

Ginger n Lemon

There is a serious social crisis going on in the country

'This is as bad as I've ever seen': Anti-social behaviour escalates in Cork neighbourhood of The Glen

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/this-is-as-bad-as-ive-ever-seen-anti-social-behaviour-escalates-in-cork-neighbourhood-of-the-glen-1004305.html

First off - what the hell are Gardai doing? (or not doing)

2nd off - we gotta open up places for youth to go to ASAP, be it night clubs or wherever. Now they are piling up in small abandoned houses all over the country, god forbid they get into a habit of doing this (as this is dirt cheap comparing to going to actual places of business)

Icantthinkof1

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

That's horrible I'm fairly lax with it all I admit but I respect other peoples fears. Laughing at someone because they are trying to mind themselves as best they can is low. Grown men for Jaysus sake.

hmmm

storker wrote: »

Are you sure it wasn't some of the posters on this thread that she bumped into?

I thought this news report was overstated, but reading the thread maybe not:
https://www.insider.com/people-with-psychopathic-traits-more-likely-ignore-social-distancing-2020-6

""One potential implication from this research is that there may be a minority of people with particular personality styles (on the narcissism and psychopathy spectrum) that have a disproportionate impact on the pandemic by failing to protect themselves and others," he said."

storker

hmmm wrote: »

I thought this news report was overstated, but reading the thread maybe not:
https://www.insider.com/people-with-psychopathic-traits-more-likely-ignore-social-distancing-2020-6

""One potential implication from this research is that there may be a minority of people with particular personality styles (on the narcissism and psychopathy spectrum) that have a disproportionate impact on the pandemic by failing to protect themselves and others," he said."

I think it ties in quite well, considering some people around here think the elderly and vulnerable are "well beyond their economic use".

storker

Micky 32 wrote: »

You mean the curtain twitchers mocking someone on the street who is enjoying the easing of the restrictions? Quite possible.

Priceless...you're so in love with your own insults that in the rush to get your dig in you forgot that such people would hardly be blocking the footpath and mocking someone else for keeping a distance, would they?

Next time try putting a bit of thought into it. :rolleyes:

is_that_so

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

Sorry to hear that. Some conversations are really not worth starting. Just head down and walk past the imbeciles. When this is over they won't have been cured of their stupidity.

Icantthinkof1

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

My mother was out for her walk yesterday and said there was a bunch of workmen blocking the footpath; she had to go out on the road to avoid them.
These ‘men’ then openly mocked her and laughed at her for not just walking past them. She told me that she told them she was just following the public health guidelines and keeping 2m away and they all erupted in laughter at her
She went home and rang me in tears; as if she didn’t already have enough to be upset about it.

Its not good the she got that reaction, however, passing someone briefly is not something to be afraid of. It's being in the vicinity of someone for a period of time that is the risk

Captain_Crash

Deleted User wrote: »

That's horrible I'm fairly lax with it all I admit but I respect other peoples fears. Laughing at someone because they are trying to mind themselves as best they can is low. Grown men for Jaysus sake.

I think the poster was making the point that while someone is being extra cautious in trying to keep safe, statistically they are putting themselves in greater danger by stepping on the road in order to pass.

Icantthinkof1

Captain_Crash wrote: »

I think the poster was making the point that while someone is being extra cautious in trying to keep safe, statistically they are putting themselves in greater danger by stepping on the road in order to pass.

I completely agree
I’ve tried to explain this to my mum so many times- who is normally a very sensible and logical woman but for some reason right now she would probably rather take her chances and be killed by a car on the road rather than die in hospital with this virus such is her fear of it.
It’s just about others acknowledging that some people have this fear and instead of mocking them to have some empathy and compassion for them

dundalkfc10

The Govt are waiting until Denis O Brien buys a face mask company before advising us to wear them everywhere.

the kelt

Deleted User wrote: »

Its not good the she got that reaction, however, passing someone briefly is not something to be afraid of. It's being in the vicinity of someone for a period of time that is the risk

Its amazing how many people dont realise that though.

The fact that literally people are scared to walk past someone on a street within 2metres is terrible really amd i dont blame people that are scared, its been programmed into them for months now.

As much as theres been an information campaign to change peoples behaviours to help stop the spread the opposite may be needed to allow people return to a level of normality.