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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    So you dont have thoughts about 55%+ of HSE staff not taking up flu vaccine?
    Sorry, I have difficulty at times trying to understand what point you are making. Perhaps you could elaborate on what the flu vaccine has to do with Covid?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,220 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Have you seen 3000 + protesting yesterday in Dublin and last week? That isnt hypothetical, but for highly deadly infectious disease covid it is definitely anarchy.

    We were talking about the thread ?
    Why ...were you out protesting ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,080 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    If the weather holds up I'm going to visit my grandparents for the first time in 3 months on Friday

    So looking forward to it even if I'm only going to their gate

    I've missed them dearly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    hmmm wrote: »
    Sorry, I have difficulty at times trying to understand what point you are making. Perhaps you could elaborate on what the flu vaccine has to do with Covid?

    Flu kills people. Flu vaccine is available but not taken up by hospital staff, HSE staff. over 50% + do not get it.

    So you think they should get covid vaccine.

    Do you think they should also get flu vaccine?

    "Back in October, Minister for Health Simon Harris had expressed concern at slow uptake - just 31% of all hospital workers were immunised in 2016. The number for nursing staff in 2016 was even lower at 26.4%."

    https://www.thejournal.ie/nurses-flu-jab-3786843-Jan2018/

    Not looking good for your noble quest of encouraging public to protect the vulnerable when very people who deal with vulnerable do not vaccinate.......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Goldengirl wrote: »
    We were talking about the thread ?
    Why ...were you out protesting ?

    Not sure what you were talking about lol I was talking about hypothetical idealism displayed by you and other posters protecting the 2 metre rule etc. Remember you said govt were "at the right speed" of lifting restrictions when phase 5 was a thing? :rolleyes:

    And no I did not participate in the protest. :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Have you seen 3000 + protesting yesterday in Dublin and last week? That isnt hypothetical, but for highly deadly infectious disease covid it is definitely anarchy.

    Glad you agree its deadly and highly infectious.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Tell that to all the protestors that were out in Dublin recently.

    Tell them what? That they are being stupid and dangerous. I would if I could.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,603 ✭✭✭crossman47


    :pac::pac::pac:

    So you dont have thoughts about 55%+ of HSE staff not taking up flu vaccine?

    ]

    For waht its worth, I do. I think it is absolutely disgraceful.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    Flu kills people. Flu vaccine is available but not taken up by hospital staff, HSE staff. over 50% + do not get it.

    So you think they should get covid vaccine.

    Not looking good for your noble quest of encouraging public to protect the vulnerable when very people who deal with vulnerable do not vaccinate.......
    Ah ok. This is a far more serious disease than Flu with far worse outcomes for vulnerable patients and the healthcare workers dealing with those patients, so I don't see vaccination rates for front-line staff being a problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    crossman47 wrote: »
    For waht its worth, I do. I think it is absolutely disgraceful.

    This is a rare occurrence where I agree with you.

    To think that an elderly or vulnerable person may end up in a HSE hospital, and get a flu passed on from one of HSE staff, and god forbid pass away because of it, is absolutely disgraceful.

    Almost as disgraceful as encouragement Simon Harris used to get more HSE staff to vaccinate is, wait for it, free coffee. For f sakes give some more pay or something or like you know get 1,000 euro extra per year if vaccinate or something of value. not damn free coffee.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    crossman47 wrote: »
    Glad you agree its deadly and highly infectious.

    I was being sarcastic... :rolleyes:

    I think its very naive to try to stop masses of people from either doing X or not doing Y. We can try and we have been trying but ultimately, a 3000 + social gathering occurring TWICE in 7 days with no social distancing when country is NOT EVEN IN PHASE 2, clearly indicates that theres a hell of a lot of people who really do not rate covid. Our governments response to such events is also not encouraging at all.

    And, frankly, could very well be because they've been spoken to like children by Tony cause of concern and Simon we are not there yet. A little bit of reverse psychology if you will.

    I for one can proudly say I have left my 5km radius twice since 17th of March. So i am not some sort of anti lockdown anarchist some may portray me to be. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    Not sure what you were talking about lol I was talking about hypothetical idealism displayed by you and other posters protecting the 2 metre rule etc. Remember you said govt were "at the right speed" of lifting restrictions when phase 5 was a thing? :rolleyes:

    The government also said that there was room to adjust the phasing as time went on. I'm happy with that.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    I think a lot has to do with how we are spoken to . For example grandparents do not hug your grandchildren . Well I am a grandparent and will assess my own risk and make up my own mind thank you Simon Harris aged 33 !


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think a lot has to do with how we are spoken to . For example grandparents do not hug your grandchildren . Well I am a grandparent and will assess my own risk and make up my own mind thank you Simon Harris aged 33 !
    People complain when they don't receive clear guidance from the government, and other people complain when they do. You can't win.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think a lot has to do with how we are spoken to . For example grandparents do not hug your grandchildren . Well I am a grandparent and will assess my own risk and make up my own mind thank you Simon Harris aged 33 !

    It's only advice. You can take advice or you can ignore it. They aren't demanding that you don't hug your grandchildren.

    Gigs '24 - Ben Ottewell and Ian Ball (Gomez), The Jesus & Mary Chain, The Smashing Pumpkins/Weezer, Pearl Jam, Green Day, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Electric Picnic, Pixies, Ride, Therapy?, Public Service Broadcasting, IDLES, And So I Watch You From Afar

    Gigs '25 - Spiritualized, Supergrass, Stendhal Festival, Forest Fest, Queens of the Stone Age, Electric Picnic, Vantastival, Getdown Services, And So I Watch You From Afar



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    hmmm wrote: »
    People complain when they don't receive clear guidance from the government, and other people complain when they do. You can't win.

    Thanks for your insight . I am well capable of weighing up my own risks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Penfailed wrote: »
    It's only advice. You can take advice or you can ignore it. They aren't demanding that you don't hug your grandchildren.

    Yes thanks . I know that , wasn’t keen how it was worded but I am well able to make up my own mind on it as are most grandparents .
    On a lighter note a family member had her first hug in months from a grandson and both cried .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    hmmm wrote: »
    Ah ok. This is a far more serious disease than Flu with far worse outcomes for vulnerable patients and the healthcare workers dealing with those patients, so I don't see vaccination rates for front-line staff being a problem.
    I have no doubt you were being disingenuous when you failed to get his point first time,for what its worth i certainly do see vacination take up by front line workers being a big problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    I think a lot has to do with how we are spoken to . For example grandparents do not hug your grandchildren . Well I am a grandparent and will assess my own risk and make up my own mind thank you Simon Harris aged 33 !

    Fine assess your own risk - that’s fine.

    His age is irrelevant ageist rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,260 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    Van.Bosch wrote: »
    Fine assess your own risk - that’s fine.

    His age is irrelevant ageist rubbish.

    It does when people feel talked down to .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    It does when people feel talked down to .
    We are dealing with a new and dangerous virus which has very high death rates for people over a certain age. I don't think it is the time for unclear or vague messages, and I'm not at all sure what exactly it is you expect a government to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,447 ✭✭✭Ginger n Lemon


    Woah woah woah

    Rte news at 9, 8 minutes in now, not a single word about new cases or deaths???!

    Talk about back to normal. Excellent

    Ahhhh there u go. 9th minute. I got overly optimistic

    PS says new cases under 30 for 3rd day in a row. Brilliant


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    so, I broke the travel restriction today: I suffer from back pains and this morning I woke with a muscle spasm. So I traveled 50 km to meet with my best friend who is also a personal trainer/coach and assisted me with some stretching and exercising to reduce the pain.

    Some observations from the trip:
    1. The bus from Drogheda to Dublin: this is a private company, with buses/coaches similar to bus eireann/aircoach etc. What they have done is that they have put plastic separators between rows, so even if you sit behind someone you can't have contact with them, although you sit less than 2 meters away from them. That increases the capacity of the bus to 50%. These separators also have a note stuck to not touch or clean these separators as they are decontaminated using some substance which I don't remember the name of. The bus was pretty much empty (less than 10 people) but I only witnessed one other person wearing a face covering (I have decided to wear a mask for now when using public transport).
    2. On the Luas, again my observation is that most people don't wear a mask - maybe around 25% with a mask? Social distancing measures still apply - some seats have signs to not be used in order to maintain social distancing. Again being a Sunday the luas was empty, not sure how this will play out during busy times.
    3. We got a coffee to go at some point and it is really nice to see that stores take advantage of the good weather and try to utilise outside areas with tables where people could sit and enjoy their coffee. Even the local restaurant where I live put out again the 2 benched they have as a smoking error in case people want to sit. Really reminded me back home (the original home, Greece :) )where we would sit outside for a big part of the year enjoying a coffee or a drink.
    4. In Dublin City Center looked like stores are preparing to reopen with social distancing. Many stores try to put visible signs of where people can queue to get in.
    5. I only saw 2 guards at Grafton Street - they were on bikes and seemed to be chatting with some people they knew - it felt too casual for a check.

    I know some people might frown upon me for breaking the distance restriction, but it did me a world of good physically and mentally to do it. I wore my mask, I had a soap bar with me and washed my hands as soon as I arrived at my destination. We kept our distance with my friend (even when doing the stretching and exercises, we were at least one meter away and he was mainly observing and telling/showing me how to do things) and I didn't have any interaction with anyone else (well maybe the lady from the coffee shop). So I really feel that I did my best in minimising any impact of my travel.

    I think we're getting there.

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    growleaves wrote: »
    You're Greek.

    Have you been following covid news out of Greece?

    Yes, though not very closely.

    The big difference with Ireland was that the enforcement of the lockdown was much stricter: police presence was very intense and people were fined if caught being out for non-essential reasons: there was a list of 5 reasons to go out and you needed a form to go out and show it to the police if stopped.
    That helped to keep numbers low: I think the number stands to around 3000 cases and around 200 deaths - although I don't think the testing was as extensive as in Ireland.

    Restrictions are over now. All shops are open - they started opening on May 4th - straight after the last bank holiday weekend of Labor Day. Social distancing rules apply, and masks are mandatory in public transport, but everything is open - including restaurants and bars. The weather has picked up since mid May with temperatures up to 30 degrees, so people can sit outside. Interestingly enough barbers/hairdressers were one of the first businesses to reopen but also with mandatory use of mask and social distancing in place.

    Flights have also started - domestic flights fully and some international flights also allowed - there is a list of the countries which is reviewed frequently - for example Qatar was on the list but there were a handful of positive cases in a flight from Qatar, so subsequently Qatar was temporarily removed from the list.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Scissor Sisters, Nine Inch Nails, Stipe, The Rocky Horror Show, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,202 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    Irish Aris wrote: »
    so, I broke the travel restriction today: I suffer from back pains and this morning I woke with a muscle spasm. So I traveled 50 km to meet with my best friend who is also a personal trainer/coach and assisted me with some stretching and exercising to reduce the pain.

    For the record, travelling >5km or 20km or whatever reason for medical reasons is not breaking restrictions. Restrictions only apply to non-essential travel.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,031 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Yes, though not very closely.

    Thanks for your reply.

    I read that Evangelos Venizelos had called to make vaccines mandatory and to track the uptake electronically. Back in April I think.

    Do you know how that was received by people in Greece? Is it a part of the Greek government's plan? (It may have just been a soundbite, I don't know)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 515 ✭✭✭The HorsesMouth


    I have supported quickening up of lifting restrictions from the start. But I have to wonder...is the opening up of lockdown going to be even more depressing than lockdown itself?
    Plastic barriers between people, masks, plastic visors, don't spend longer than an hour in someones house, sit 2 metres away, no physical contact, queuing outside every shop, no browsing, still no health services back, I could go on. It's all so...sterile.

    I just don't know...am I being too pessimistic. Everyone is getting excited about this but I feel it's going to fall flat on its face in a few weeks. Not in terms of the virus itself but I think people are going to get very fed up of all these restrictions in daily life very quickly.
    I saw a piece on the news there where a shoe shop has a plastic barrier between the shop staff and the child trying on the shoes. She also had a mask, gloves and a plastic visor across her face and I just thought it was so so depressing and over the top.
    Again...I want these restrictions lifted, I've always supported it. But until social distancing is lifted..I think we are going be living in a depressing world.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 7,425 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    growleaves wrote: »
    Thanks for your reply.

    I read that Evangelos Venizelos had called to make vaccines mandatory and to track the uptake electronically. Back in April I think.

    Do you know how that was received by people in Greece? Is it a part of the Greek government's plan? (It may have just been a soundbite, I don't know)

    I don't think it has been discussed extensively, as it wasn't a priority at the time.

    Not sure though it can be done. There have been some discussions about GDPR implications in general. There was already a case regarding home schooling were a court ruled that recording the online class was against GDPR rules - not sure about the details. Maybe they jumped the gun under the pressure of suppressing the virus at the time. Bear in mind though thet the public health system in Greece is a shambles too, so it is to teh government's interest to keep numbers low so they don't overflow hospitals.

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Scissor Sisters, Nine Inch Nails, Stipe, The Rocky Horror Show, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    Irish Aris wrote: »
    so, I broke the travel restriction today: I suffer from back pains and this morning I woke with a muscle spasm. So I traveled 50 km to meet with my best friend who is also a personal trainer/coach and assisted me with some stretching and exercising to reduce the pain.

    Nope, you didn't break the restrictions - travel for treatment has always been fine! Hope your back gets better soon.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,278 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    have a wedding end of september but haven't seen much mentioned anywhere about restrictions around them. Assume its unlikely to go ahead 150+ attending?

    I saw something about "larger social gatherings" on one of the main gov.ie pages - from what I recall it was along the lines of "no decisions as yet", but if things keep progressing the way they are, I'd be optimistic it might be able to go ahead.

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