Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

marno21 · 05-06-2020 02:45PM

shinzon wrote: »

Never seen such a total and complete abandonment of an eminently sensible roadmap out of the pandemic then this today, it would have set us up as much as we could to deal with a second wave if it comes much better in the winter.

As had been said before obviously lobby groups have gotten to them and in the end they just said **** it, wonder was this also the price for government formation, open up or we wont go in.

Disappointed in this that they didnt stick to there guns. People are going to lose there **** on Monday they wont know what to queue up for first tbh

Shin

Other countries who accelerated their route out of lockdown have survived just grand with even lesser measures than us for more than 6 weeks now. It would be nice to be able to protect everyone like the roadmap guaranteed but it is too little risk given the cost to the country involved. Long term unemployment, excess debt will have much more long term consequences than what we'll get by accelerating the loosening of lockdown.

If there is to be a further lockdown in winter, this accelerated roadmap will let us have some sort of summer rather than having to lockdown quickly again after loosening the original lockdown.

is_that_so · 05-06-2020 02:46PM

Morrison J wrote: »

Any mention of making masks mandatory on public transport? Or are they still plugging the line about the tiny section who are allergic making it impossible despite countless other countries doing it without a problem.

No mention, still a recommendation. Doubtful it will be mandatory. If the numbers decline through Phase 2 that advice too may disappear.

What Username Guidelines · 05-06-2020 02:48PM

shinzon wrote: »

People are going to lose there **** on Monday they wont know what to queue up for first tbh

Shin

In fairness, at least it may divide crowds a bit. Interesting to hear how all these employees swan off back to work without childcare tho. After all this, my wife in a secure public job may have to quit as we relied on grandparents to mind the kiddo.

is_that_so · 05-06-2020 02:49PM

marno21 wrote: »

Other countries who accelerated their route out of lockdown have survived just grand with even lesser measures than us for more than 6 weeks now. It would be nice to be able to protect everyone like the roadmap guaranteed but it is too little risk given the cost to the country involved. Long term unemployment, excess debt will have much more long term consequences than what we'll get by accelerating the loosening of lockdown.

If there is to be a further lockdown in winter, this accelerated roadmap will let us have some sort of summer rather than having to lockdown quickly again after loosening the original lockdown.

The winter lockdown, if even required, would be more limited as we've learnt so much about this. We will not be caught out again, medically or as a public.

Plumbthedepths · 05-06-2020 02:50PM

George Lee is a alarmist gob****e, there I said it.

Morrison J · 05-06-2020 02:50PM

is_that_so wrote: »

No mention, still a recommendation. Doubtful it will be mandatory. If the numbers decline through Phase 2 that advice too may disappear.

Why wait till an inevitable decline in numbers when you can get ahead of them and instill it now. In Greece you get a €150 fine for not wearing a mask on public transport. Should be seen as being as important as having a ticket. Greece have been avoiding a second wave and doing really well.

The people being allergic excuse is the biggest cop out ever. Every person should be getting a facemask delivered in the post. Wouldn't even be that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

Seamai · 05-06-2020 02:54PM

xabi wrote: »

Here comes George Lee, he's afraid. FFS, such a pessimist

Talk about being the devil's advocate, he was laying it on thick almost giving the impression that he was struggling with a bit of positivity.

Seamai · 05-06-2020 03:00PM

Morrison J wrote: »

The people being allergic excuse is the biggest cop out ever. Every person should be getting a facemask delivered in the post. Wouldn't even be that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

It is a cop out, personally speaking, I have hayfever, pollen levels have been high at times over the last 6 weeks and while wearing a mask the symptoms are no where near as bad, I have prescription antihistamines but they can make me drowsy so a mask for me is a win, win situation.

is_that_so · 05-06-2020 03:10PM

Morrison J wrote: »

Why wait till an inevitable decline in numbers when you can get ahead of them and instill it now. In Greece you get a €150 fine for not wearing a mask on public transport. Should be seen as being as important as having a ticket. Greece have been avoiding a second wave and doing really well.

The people being allergic excuse is the biggest cop out ever. Every person should be getting a facemask delivered in the post. Wouldn't even be that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

It's how we've gone about what happened here and it has revolved around personal responsibility. If you pinned the CMO or anyone from NPET to the collar they'd give you the weak evidence line on masks. Here they seem to have opted for there's no harm, as long as it's in conjunction with other proven measures.

hmmm · 05-06-2020 03:10PM

It'll be interesting at the end of this (hopefully next year) to see if changes introduced will be rolled back.

There's a couple of restaurants and gastro-pubs who are building quite sizeable take-away businesses, but don't have a licence. Are they going to be told to give that business up when things go back to normal?

ceadaoin. · 05-06-2020 03:11PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I very much understand. But where else can we get more accurate information but from the people who are recovering. And I'm being shot down for wanting to know more. Oh but Facebook is just a bunch of hypochondriacs. Another poster said it was the latest bandwagon illness to jump on. That's horrible thinking with a virus that's new. Some people are mild, some people are dead, but people in the middle, ah forget about them. At least I won't be surprised if I get this with symptoms lasting 3,4,5 weeks.

You probably won't get it at this stage if you take precautions and with so few cases so no need to be living in fear. Sorry that I don't blindly trust randomers on facebook who admit to testing negative. I'm not on facebook but many of the similar posts I've seen elsewhere detailing a range of mysterious symptoms with negative covid tests but that's clearly what it must be have all the hallmarks of hypochondria about them.

hmmm · 05-06-2020 03:15PM

shinzon wrote: »

Never seen such a total and complete abandonment of an eminently sensible roadmap out of the pandemic then this today, it would have set us up as much as we could to deal with a second wave if it comes much better in the winter.

As had been said before obviously lobby groups have gotten to them and in the end they just said **** it, wonder was this also the price for government formation, open up or we wont go in.

Disappointed in this that they didnt stick to there guns. People are going to lose there **** on Monday they wont know what to queue up for first tbh

Shin

The roadmap was always going to change depending on the situation as it develops, and as we know more about the virus. They've still taken some tough decisions based on the science (e.g. keeping hairdressers closed).

There needs to be a very strong public education message now that social distancing is the key thing which is reducing spread, and it has to stay in place for some time. People may begin to think that things go back to "normal".

Rob A. Bank · 05-06-2020 03:18PM

Morrison J wrote: »

The people being allergic excuse is the biggest cop out ever. Every person should be getting a facemask delivered in the post. Wouldn't even be that expensive in the grand scheme of things.

If you were 'allergic' to face coverings you would also be allergic to the clothing you wear.

One of Holohan's worst excuses ever to excuse his lack of proactive action.

tom1ie · 05-06-2020 03:21PM

So now that we have changed multiple variables at the same time, we won’t know what one variable has the most effect in spiking numbers if that does happen.
Couple this with the fact we are doing this at the same time as we have mass protests in our cities, the knee jerk reaction will be to undo what we have relaxed today although a spike may just be down to these protests.
Of course there may be no increase at all. Hopefully.

Gregor Samsa · 05-06-2020 03:24PM

hmmm wrote: »

It'll be interesting at the end of this (hopefully next year) to see if changes introduced will be rolled back.

There's a couple of restaurants and gastro-pubs who are building quite sizeable take-away businesses, but don't have a licence. Are they going to be told to give that business up when things go back to normal?

You don’t need a licence to operate a (food) takeaway from a restaurant. You do need specific planning permission, though. But there’s already loads of restaurants operating takeaway services without such PP. Such PP enforcement is also only done on the back of a complaint - there’s no officials going around looking for transgressions.

HBC08 · 05-06-2020 03:28PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I hope this puts Holohan back in his box. He has destroyed this country for years to come and inflicted untold misery on families

Try that sh1te over on the restrictions thread,you'll get more likes there.

owlbethere · 05-06-2020 03:29PM

tom1ie wrote: »

So now that we have changed multiple variables at the same time, we won’t know what one variable has the most effect in spiking numbers if that does happen.
Couple this with the fact we are doing this at the same time as we have mass protests in our cities, the knee jerk reaction will be to undo what we have relaxed today although a spike may just be down to these protests.
Of course there may be no increase at all. Hopefully.

I don't know what the situation is for the rest of the country about the protests that were planned. The Galway protest was cancelled and replaced with a demonstration (the same fceking thing as a mass gathering).. It has since been called of or deferred.

Hopefully the rest of the stuff that was planned was called off. For the health and safety of the public, no large gatherings allowed.

The whole entire situation you painted does have potential to explode and become a mess, hopefully it doesn't.

Away With The Fairies · 05-06-2020 03:36PM

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

As I’ve repeatedly said, the environmental conditions matter. Everything you’ve posted only confirms this. For you to keep insisting that merely talking - with no other contextual considerations - spreads the virus by contaminating the air “for hours” is either wilful ignorance or gross stupidity on your part.

And the fact that you’re posting scientific reports to back up your misunderstanding, while repeatedly claiming that scientists know nothing, is laughable.

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229248#
"The novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, remains viable in aerosols for hours"

This one says it remains for 8-14 minutes
https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/05/19/coronavirus-spread-by-talking-can-remain-in-air-researchers-find.html

They don't have a clue.

05-06-2020 03:39PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

If you were 'allergic' to face coverings you would also be allergic to the clothing you wear.

One of Holohan's worst excuses ever to excuse his lack of proactive action.

Where the allergy comments are coming from as far as I know, is surgical masks as they contain latex, to which some people are allergic and would be before this what people would normally associate with a mask in a medical setting.

They can use other face coverings, if allergic, but going by some posters on the restrictions thread etc, they won't wear them as to do is being weak, it's a muzzle etc so you have those types of idiots to deal with.

normanoffside · 05-06-2020 03:40PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

https://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229248#
"The novel coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, remains viable in aerosols for hours"

Time give up the deodorants so.

owlbethere · 05-06-2020 03:52PM

Do you know the plans for the pubs for later on down the roadmap - I think currently it's table service only and no one going to the bar. The bartenders goes down to the tables and take orders. That measure is discussed and aimed for to prevent people mixed with people as much as possible.

Wouldn't the bar tenders have to be trained up in some sort of infection control within a pub/bar setting? Otherwise a bartender can potentially spread germs from one table to another. Before all this, I used to see tables getting cleared away of glasses by a bartender picking up a load of glasses at the same time with their fingers. They will have to wash hands after doing 'dirty tasks' and before 'clean tasks'. Do they even have hand-wash basins/sinks behind bars or will they have to wash their hands in the sink that is used behind the bar for their pub tasks? That one doesn't sound to appealing to me.

tom1ie · 05-06-2020 03:54PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I don't know what the situation is for the rest of the country about the protests that were planned. The Galway protest was cancelled and replaced with a demonstration (the same fceking thing as a mass gathering).. It has since been called of or deferred.

Hopefully the rest of the stuff that was planned was called off. For the health and safety of the public, no large gatherings allowed.

The whole entire situation you painted does have potential to explode and become a mess, hopefully it doesn't.

Protest in cork as we speak.

Morrison J · 05-06-2020 03:55PM

DubInMeath wrote: »

Where the allergy comments are coming from as far as I know, is surgical masks as they contain latex, to which some people are allergic and would be before this what people would normally associate with a mask in a medical setting.

They can use other face coverings, if allergic, but going by some posters on the restrictions thread etc, they won't wear them as to do is being weak, it's a muzzle etc so you have those types of idiots to deal with.

Bring in €150 fines for not wearing them like Greece have done and that problem goes away very quickly.

05-06-2020 03:56PM

Feel sorry for my parents and Ireland in general. A half-hearted response.

Boggles · 05-06-2020 03:57PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The winter lockdown, if even required, would be more limited as we've learnt so much about this. We will not be caught out again, medically or as a public.

Calm down there Captain Confident.

We are "caught out" every year with the flu, and you can set your watch by that.

Any "lockdown" in a winter will be much much harder than the 12 weeks drink cans out in the back in the Mediterranean climate we just had.

owlbethere · 05-06-2020 04:03PM

tom1ie wrote: »

Protest in cork as we speak.

I will look it up later on. I hope it isn't a big protest and hopefully they are keeping distance apart and wearing masks. I understand their cause but we have live cautiously going forward and that means not going into crowds of people. It's poor form it went ahead.

Away With The Fairies · 05-06-2020 04:04PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Feel sorry for my parents and Ireland in general. A half-hearted response.

It was always half arsed.

05-06-2020 04:05PM

Morrison J wrote: »

Bring in €150 fines for not wearing them like Greece have done and that problem goes away very quickly.

Possibly, but you still have to account for those that won't and go to court etc.

Missus is a dog warden and the amount of time spent dealing with non payment of fines around licencing, non effective control etc in court is a joke, or not depending on how you view it, and not the usual suspects that most would assume.

05-06-2020 04:08PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Feel sorry for my parents and Ireland in general. A half-hearted response.

You mean not fast enough? I think it's actually about right now

An Ciarraioch · 05-06-2020 04:09PM

Most of Spain enters into the final phase 3 next week, bar Madrid, Castile, Barcelona and the Valencia region, mainly:

https://www.eldiario.es/sociedad/MAPA-Consulta-fase-desescalada-municipio-8-junio-guia_0_1025048463.html

Covid19 Part XVIII-25,473 in ROI(1,736 deaths) 5,760 in NI (551 deaths)(30/06)Read OP

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