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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #1952
    Micky 32
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    The head of hair is starting to get out of hand on Varadkars head. You might see barbers brought forward yet, not good for his cool image with hair all over the place lol


  • #1953
    prunudo
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    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Just thinking about this 20 km restriction nonsense. So I live in Greystones and from Monday I can go 20kms from the house which would get me roughly out to dun laoghaire. The government are saying this restriction is in place to stop spreading the virus to places that don’t have many cases. So let’s just say I had the virus with no symptoms and went to dun loaghaire on Monday and came in contact with someone who lives there. Now they have a 20km zone in which they can go which would get them to roughly the city Centre. Now say he goes to the city Centre and meets someone who lives there.........

    Don’t think I need to go on with that to show how ridiculous it is. It’s just a restriction for the sake of being able to say we are doing something about the spread. No thought whatsoever put into it.

    Not to mention the population density you will encounter on your journey north. If you went 20km west you'd only see deer and sheep!

    On another note, did you see a very popular restaurant in Greystones announced it wouldn't be reopening. Between their premises being too small to make 2m social distancing work and loosing 10 weeks revenue they've decided to shut up shop. Very sad for them but I'm sure it wont be the last business to be effected by the extended lockdown.


  • #1954
    road_high
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    Micky 32 wrote: »
    The head of hair is starting to get out of hand on Varadkars head. You might see barbers brought forward yet, not good for his cool image hair all over the place lol

    Surprise he didn’t get it done, then try pretend the partner did it.


  • #1955
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,461 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    "Summer is not yet lost" - Leo Varadkar said it's far too soon for those air bridges that would lift travel requirements and that it is some weeks away

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268500351675752448?s=19


  • #1956
    ednwireland
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "Summer is not yet lost" - Leo Varadkar said it's far too soon for those air bridges that would lift travel requirements and that it is some weeks away

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268500351675752448?s=19

    yes it is you need to be booking now for the summer , other countries that have supressed the virus as ireland has, those are the countries that wont allow irish passengers in without quarantine at the moment. some spin leo.

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  • #1957
    road_high
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    prunudo wrote: »
    Not to mention the population density you will encounter on your journey north. If you went 20km west you'd only see deer and sheep!

    On another note, did you see a very popular restaurant in Greystones announced it wouldn't be reopening. Between their premises being too small to make 2m social distancing work and loosing 10 weeks revenue they've decided to shut up shop. Very sad for them but I'm sure it wont be the last business to be effected by the extended lockdown.

    Certain posters here will see them as mere collateral damage and “if it saves one life etc” crap they’ve been spewing for three months plus


  • #1958
    stephenjmcd
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    ednwireland wrote: »
    yes it is you need to be booking now for the summer , other countries that have supressed the virus as ireland has, those are the countries that wont allow irish passengers in without quarantine at the moment. some spin leo.

    Irish passengers will be allowed in to most places now to be fair, Greece, Belgium and Germany in just over a weeks time, Portugal and Spain likewise when they left the international travel restrictions all without quarantine. Not to forget Italy in there too.

    So we can travel alright, it's just the stupid stance our government have taken on travel.

    I know a good few who've booked Spain and Portugal for August in the last few days, all intend on going once the flight runs.

    Looking to see where to book myself too, also have the option of France but at the moment it's looking like Lanzarote for me in August


  • #1959
    silverharp
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    How is Ireland-France looking this Jul-Aug? as far as I can se there would be no restrictions on the French side

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  • #1960
    Don't Chute!
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    prunudo wrote: »
    Not to mention the population density you will encounter on your journey north. If you went 20km west you'd only see deer and sheep!

    On another note, did you see a very popular restaurant in Greystones announced it wouldn't be reopening. Between their premises being too small to make 2m social distancing work and loosing 10 weeks revenue they've decided to shut up shop. Very sad for them but I'm sure it wont be the last business to be effected by the extended lockdown.

    Yeah just saw it on Facebook. It was one of the best restaurants in Greystones. WilL be sadly Missed.


  • #1961
    prunudo
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    road_high wrote: »
    Certain posters here will see them as mere collateral damage and “if it saves one life etc” crap they’ve been spewing for three months plus

    I don't think most people realise how close to the edge small businesses are. If there aren't some major speeding up of restrictions next week, i think a lot more will pull the plug.


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  • #1962
    yawhat?
    Closed Accounts Posts: 146 ✭✭yawhat?


    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Just thinking about this 20 km restriction nonsense. So I live in Greystones and from Monday I can go 20kms from the house which would get me roughly out to dun laoghaire. The government are saying this restriction is in place to stop spreading the virus to places that don’t have many cases. So let’s just say I had the virus with no symptoms and went to dun loaghaire on Monday and came in contact with someone who lives there. Now they have a 20km zone in which they can go which would get them to roughly the city Centre. Now say he goes to the city Centre and meets someone who lives there.........

    Don’t think I need to go on with that to show how ridiculous it is. It’s just a restriction for the sake of being able to say we are doing something about the spread. No thought whatsoever put into it.

    If you infect someone from Dun Laoghaire, it will take some time before they themselves become contagious, maybe a day or two. Therefore DL person cannot infect city centre person for maybe a day or two. It will then be another day or two before city centre person can infect someone from say Malahide. If you or these other people were travelling without restriction you could potentially infect all these people on the one day, rather than taking at least a few days to spread to Malahide person. Therefore, the restrictions have delayed the spread. When combined with other factors e.g. contact tracing, it can also limit the further spread.

    It is a very, very blunt tool and it has lots of limitations. But the less people move, the slower the infection can spread.

    You can argue about the effectiveness when the infection is already moving slowly, and many other countries have removed travel restrictions for this reason amongst others. You cannot say that there is no thought whatsoever put into it, especially bearing in mind that the plan was hatched at least a month ago, and may still be amended to allow for current circumstances.


  • #1963
    Clonmel1000
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    prunudo wrote: »
    I don't think most people realise how close to the edge small businesses are. If there aren't some major speeding up of restrictions next week, i think a lot more will pull the plug.

    No one life is more important than the economy yadda yadda dead people can’t visit restaurants something something stay home stay safe blah blah.


  • #1964
    [Deleted User]
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    The death rates are so low because of the restrictions in March and April. The restrictions now are not limiting the Covid-19 death rate as the virus has been eliminated from the community, as per Holohan. Harking back to the effect the restrictionshhad in March/April when the virus was active in the community is not relevant to now. Nobody is arguing against restrictions back then so why do people always go back to then when supporting continued restrictions now?

    The restrictions now are though increasing the death rates to come due to late diagnosis and delayed treatment of all the other illness, both physical and mental, which are still as prevalent as before but are being ignored. Then there is the economic fallout, the lose of livelihoods, the reduction in standards of living, etc. Every day of prolonged unnecessary restrictions is throwing more people and businesses on the scrap heap.

    The analogy on pumping money into policing is not accurate. Crime can and does rise with lack of policing. Experience in other countries is showing that cases of Covid-19 do not automatically rise with reduced restrictions if social distancing and other measures are maintained. There are countries into their fourth week of schools/bars/restaurants/hairdressers open and cases continue to drop, yet we have to wait another month. Why do we ignore the evidence of the actual real life experiment happening in front of us in favour of some theory for which there is no evidence?


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  • #1965
    stephenjmcd
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Schools in South Korea have closed again

    No they haven't, quick google


  • #1966
    prunudo
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    Clonmel1000 wrote: »
    No one life is more important than the economy yadda yadda dead people can’t visit restaurants something something stay home stay safe blah blah.

    Cant remember the exact phrase but the professor of economics on the Tonight show with Ivan on Tuesday said something along the lines that we need to stop thinking of the economy as simply money for businesses but the economy encompasses everything from, social to family life. Its far to simple to say the economy is in trouble, its far greater than that.


  • #1967
    KrustyUCC
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "Summer is not yet lost" - Leo Varadkar said it's far too soon for those air bridges that would lift travel requirements and that it is some weeks away

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268500351675752448?s=19

    I'll believe Leo when we see action


  • #1968
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "Summer is not yet lost" - Leo Varadkar said it's far too soon for those air bridges that would lift travel requirements and that it is some weeks away

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268500351675752448?s=19

    I really don't understand this at all. Leo has mentioned air travel several times now.

    He does realize that the 20KM travel restriction is in place until 20th July in his roadmap? He does realize that irish hotels and pubs etc won't be opening until later July, mid August.

    He might want to focus on letting Ikea open and ditching the silly internal travel restrictions before worrying about air travel.

    Officially summer ends on 31st July. 10 days before his Ireland will be reopen. Summer is lost.


  • #1969
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    road_high wrote: »
    As we head into another one of these ridiculous phases...another idiotic anomaly arises- shops bar Food, IT, pharmacy aren’t allowed open until August within a shopping centre. Who the fcuk is in charge? Idiotic idiotic idiotic. Jesus Christ this place is a lunatic asylum. Actually you’d get more sense. Devastated for small retailers caught in this

    yeah I just heard a Men's clothing retailer from Liffey Valley on the Lunchtime Ciara Kelly show saying this! So Louis Copeland can open off Grafton Street as he is a solo shop on the street, but shops within shopping centers cannot open? Why is that?
    That means people can walk right past Best Menswear and buy their clothes in Marks and Spencer and Dunnes Stores in Liffey Valley but not in Best Mensware cos its shut? Thats plain stupid. Why are these restrictions not being tweaked when anomalies like this are brought to light?


  • #1970
    [Deleted User]
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    "Summer is not yet lost" - Leo Varadkar said it's far too soon for those air bridges that would lift travel requirements and that it is some weeks away

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1268500351675752448?s=19

    mmmmm Leo also said Ireland didn't want to be the last country in Europe opening up it's schools - and look how that's worked out!!


  • #1971
    Penfailed
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Officially summer ends on 31st July. 10 days before his Ireland will be reopen. Summer is lost.

    Officially summer ends on the 31st of August.

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  • #1972
    Benimar
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    yeah I just heard a Men's clothing retailer from Liffey Valley on the Lunchtime Ciara Kelly show saying this! So Louis Copeland can open off Grafton Street as he is a solo shop on the street, but shops within shopping centers cannot open? Why is that?
    That means people can walk right past Best Menswear and buy their clothes in Marks and Spencer and Dunnes Stores in Liffey Valley but not in Best Mensware cos its shut? Thats plain stupid. Why are these restrictions not being tweaked when anomalies like this are brought to light?

    Because that brings more people into an enclosed space ie: a shopping centre.

    It really isn't that hard to understand tbh!


  • #1973
    manniot2
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    Professor Moynan from Maynooth Uni was on the Tonight Show last night basically saying there is no proof that anything more than good hand cleaning etc is helping the death of the virus and that there is very limited benefit in persisting with the lockdown.

    Its a game of politics at this stage - Leo, Simon dont want the limelight to end as they know whats coming down the tracks in terms of inquiries and recession etc. As for Dr Tony, well no one wants their stint in Hollywood to end.


  • #1974
    Jim_Hodge
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Thats using the complete population as a metric.

    95% of deaths are over 65.

    Readjust the figures using only the population over 65 and they are on a par with Ireland.

    Using the complete population as a metric to compare countries is idiotic at this stage, if a country has less citizens over 65 of course they will appear to preform better

    Sorry I didn't realise you just pick those deaths that suit your argument. What absolute BS. Good luck in life with that type of attitude,


  • #1975
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    Penfailed wrote: »
    Officially summer ends on the 31st of August.

    Even if you look at it that way, ireland will only be open for 3 weeks at that point. Assuming we make it through all the stages on time. Remember, we've already extended lockdown several times. Not to mention all the typos and panic that led to us closing homeware for another several weeks.

    Leo is talking about air travel. A lot of people can't see their families until late july.


  • #1976
    stargazer 68
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    yeah I just heard a Men's clothing retailer from Liffey Valley on the Lunchtime Ciara Kelly show saying this! So Louis Copeland can open off Grafton Street as he is a solo shop on the street, but shops within shopping centers cannot open? Why is that?
    That means people can walk right past Best Menswear and buy their clothes in Marks and Spencer and Dunnes Stores in Liffey Valley but not in Best Mensware cos its shut? Thats plain stupid. Why are these restrictions not being tweaked when anomalies like this are brought to light?

    Makes no sense! Burger King in Blanchardstown is open to takeaway only and that entrance is inside the shopping centre


  • #1977
    KrustyUCC
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    Sweden will ease its travel restrictions from 13 June to allow those who do not have any symptoms of the new coronavirus to move around the country, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven said.

    "This decision does not mean that the danger is over," Mr Lofven told a news conference. "It doesn't mean that life is back to normal again, and other restrictions remain in place."

    "If the curve showing the seriously ill turns up again,there will be new restrictions."

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0604/1145342-covid19-coronavirus-tracker/

    Another one bites the dust

    Sweden will allow internal travel 5 weeks before we will


  • #1978
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Schools in South Korea have closed again

    Very first result on google

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/asia-today-korea-reopening-schools-spike-cases-71037069


  • #1979
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Sorry I didn't realise you just pick those deaths that suit your argument. What absolute BS. Good luck in life with that type of attitude,

    This unfortunately has been the new norm for some time, if you cant argue the facts, invent alternative facts with just enough data behind them to pretend you have any remaining credibility. Or else argue a completely different point once the facts are proven to contradict your argument


  • #1980
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Very first result on google

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/asia-today-korea-reopening-schools-spike-cases-71037069

    49 new cases. Goodness!!


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  • #1981
    theballz
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    So proud of Leo, Simon and team for how they have managed this entire process.
    They will go down in the history of this great state.


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