Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

retro:electro

VonLuck wrote: »

There is a logic behind it, but just because it discommodes you it's ridiculous.

There is no logic. Most shopping centres are already awash with indoor queues with people queuing for Tesco and Dunnes and have been for months. But somehow the other queues are too detrimental. It makes zero sense. But at least it’s progress

manniot2

I love how Leo is "worried that some people want the restrictions brought forward". As if these rules are some sort of gospel that cannot be changed - heaven forbid anyone question something that a few civil servants drafted on the back of an envelop.

KaneToad

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Ehhhh..... they can tell the address the car is currently registered using the reg

The registered owner of the car doesn't have to be the driver.

Also the address of the owner of the car can change - it frequently isn't the same as that when the car was registered. It doesn't get updated by Shannon.

KaneToad

KaneToad wrote: »

The registered owner of the car doesn't have to be the driver.

In the majority of cases it would be. Where its not a licence check would clear it up pretty quick

road_high

leahyl wrote: »

And the Penneys in Wilton Cork, so no, not just the Galway ones

Ones in Carlow and Kilkenny won’t be either. Other places on the high st are fine.High sts have always been saying they’ve been under pressure from shopping centre so maybe there’s a silver lining??...for them.
Nothing makes sense about any of this so not surprising the exit is any different

road_high

retro:electro wrote: »

There is no logic. Most shopping centres are already awash with indoor queues with people queuing for Tesco and Dunnes and have been for months. But somehow the other queues are too detrimental. It makes zero sense. But at least it’s progress

You’d imagine there’ll be some uproar about it especially as it happens. Anything at all is progress from nothing

KrustyUCC

Big positive if retail is opening quicker

Then again Tony & Co might scupper that yet

Now to sort travel restrictions far quicker as well

Irish Aris

Deleted User wrote: »

Am i right in saying that standalone shops will be able to open. Shopping Centres have to be open to allow essential shops such as Boots, Tesco, Dunnes etc to open. But the other shops in the open shopping centre won't be able to open because its too dangerous... ?

Absolute nonsense if this is the case!

I actually have an example of this.
M&S in a local shopping center is open - I assume for the food hall although you can buy clothes too. Next to it is a Boots that is also open. On the other side of the center there are are a couple of coffee shops and donut places etc.
The shopping center entrances are open so customers can access these stores. Social distancing fully maintain (actually on one occasion/busy time, M&S had 2 queues, one outside the store and a second one in store (but outside teh food hall area)
However the rest of the shopping center is cordoned off and can't be accessed.
Based on that I would assume that parking is also closed.

This sounds a lot like what Brown Thomas and Arnotts have planned for reopening next week.

Penfailed

Breezin wrote: »

You have seen no pictures of beaches and parks lately? They have never been more crowded.

...except when they've been more crowded.

road_high

VonLuck wrote: »

There is a logic behind it, but just because it discommodes you it's ridiculous.

Clearly you have a very different idea as to what constitutes logic to what I do then

ixoy

is_that_so wrote: »

Open is a relative term. Here's a description of what Denmark did and they are 6-7 weeks ahead of us in terms of phases.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200511/shopping-malls-reopen-in-denmark-with-new-rules

Well that's 3 weeks ago, so we'll still be behind with ours and of course it's just one country's approach. But it's an example of the sort of compromise that people could look at getting behind rather than a blanket "No" and it would allow small shops stuck inside these centres to try and get back up and running.

road_high

manniot2 wrote: »

I love how Leo is "worried that some people want the restrictions brought forward". As if these rules are some sort of gospel that cannot be changed - heaven forbid anyone question something that a few civil servants drafted on the back of an envelop.

Leo is so spineless. Used to think he good qualities as a Taoiseach, this has shown him up as lazy and illogical. Always playing to the easy crowd and gallery instead of what is pragmatic and sensible

RobitTV

This news about the earlier re-opening of retail outlets from Monday is a significant victory for the voices of reason and the business community as a whole.

The pressure was mounting and the correct decision has been made here.

The rest of the lockdown phases must now end on June 29th or early July.

seamusk84

RobitTV wrote: »

This news about the earlier re-opening of retail outlets from Monday is a significant victory for the voices of reason and the business community as a whole.

The pressure was mounting and the correct decision has been made here.

The rest of the lockdown phases must now end on June 29th or early July.

Be cool if they allowed cafes and restaurants to open Monday too.

stephenjmcd

Harris tells Dáil in relation to R the data suggests that it is now between 0.4 and 0.7.

ninebeanrows

It would seem possible now Pubs will open 20th July and not 10 August.

road_high

RobitTV wrote: »

This news about the earlier re-opening of retail outlets from Monday is a significant victory for the voices of reason and the business community as a whole.

The pressure was mounting and the correct decision has been made here.

The rest of the lockdown phases must now end on June 29th or early July.

It’s a significant blow to the lockdown right now. To see all shops open along Main streets is a big return to relative normality- after three months of closures and zero revenues I think shop owners must be pragmatic and extend opening hours to give people the extra opportunity and also make more room for capacity, I expect a big return back to spending for a few weeks at least

KaneToad

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In the majority of cases it would be. Where its not a licence check would clear it up pretty quick

My address on my licence could be 1 Main St, Dublin.

My address when I registered my car could be 1 Main St, Cork.

I currently live at 1 Main St, Galway.

There is no obligation to update my licence address with NDLS. There is no obligation to update my vehicle details with Shannon.

Guards don't have it easy with roadside checks.

Ginger n Lemon

is_that_so wrote: »

Open is a relative term. Here's a description of what Denmark did and they are 6-7 weeks ahead of us in terms of phases.

https://www.thelocal.dk/20200511/shopping-malls-reopen-in-denmark-with-new-rules

Denmark opened barbers on 21st of April.

We are on course for 20 July.

Thats 3 months. None of this 6-7 weeks, you just cant help but mitigate severity of out of touch "plan" that we have, can you?

They have primary schools opened since 14 April.

Their new cases peaked 2nd week of April, ours 4th week of April.

I see 2 weeks difference there. But somehow it equates to your 6-7 weeks ahead on phases and reality of 3 months ahead on phases.

I know I know, government will ultimately decide, I know your punchline :rolleyes: Except for, Tony H will ultimately decide.

faceman

Breezin wrote: »

You have seen no pictures of beaches and parks lately? They have never been more crowded.

Yet there has been no increase in cases from packed beaches. What does that tell us?

Multipass

retro:electro wrote: »

There is no logic. Most shopping centres are already awash with indoor queues with people queuing for Tesco and Dunnes and have been for months. But somehow the other queues are too detrimental. It makes zero sense. But at least it’s progress

Exactly, and surely in terms of ‘danger’, standing stationary in a queue is worse than moving freely where you can choose more personal space if you want it.

is_that_so

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Denmark opened barbers on 21st of April.

We are on course for 20 July.

Thats 3 months. None of this 6-7 weeks, you just cant help but mitigate severity of out of touch "plan" that we have, can you?

They have primary schools opened since 14 April.

Their new cases peaked 2nd week of April, ours 4th week of April.

I see 2 weeks difference there. But somehow it equates to your 6-7 weeks ahead on phases and reality of 3 months ahead on phases.

I know I know, government will ultimately decide, I know your punchline :rolleyes: Except for, Tony H will ultimately decide.

16th April is about 6 weeks ago. The rest is just you plucking numbers out of the sky yet again as if they mean something important. Largely they are just another excuse for you to put us all right because you know best.

mooseknunkle

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

It would seem possible now Pubs will open 20th July and not 10 August.

I can see a lot of pubs opening on the 29th June regardless if they have a restaurant licence or not.

is_that_so

Multipass wrote: »

Exactly, and surely in terms of ‘danger’, standing stationary in a queue is worse than moving freely where you can choose more personal space if you want it.

Thinking of giving up breathing myself, much safer!

Penfailed

mooseknunkle wrote: »

I can see a lot of pubs opening on the 29th June regardless if they have a restaurant licence or not.

I can't see it.

MickeyLeari

yawhat? wrote: »

If you infect someone from Dun Laoghaire, it will take some time before they themselves become contagious, maybe a day or two. Therefore DL person cannot infect city centre person for maybe a day or two. It will then be another day or two before city centre person can infect someone from say Malahide. If you or these other people were travelling without restriction you could potentially infect all these people on the one day, rather than taking at least a few days to spread to Malahide person. Therefore, the restrictions have delayed the spread. When combined with other factors e.g. contact tracing, it can also limit the further spread.

It is a very, very blunt tool and it has lots of limitations. But the less people move, the slower the infection can spread.

You can argue about the effectiveness when the infection is already moving slowly, and many other countries have removed travel restrictions for this reason amongst others. You cannot say that there is no thought whatsoever put into it, especially bearing in mind that the plan was hatched at least a month ago, and may still be amended to allow for current circumstances.

You forget that a whole host of southsiders will not cross the Liffey except via the airport road. Cork people will not cross into Kerry unless for a GAA game and Kerry people only come to Dublin for an all Ireland final.

stephenjmcd

Portugal's Secretary of State for Tourism has said she believes the 14-day self-quarantine rule for Irish people who travel abroad will be revised soon.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Rita Marques said: "I trust that rule in Ireland will be revised soon. That is the information I have."

She made the comments as Portugal prepares to resume activity in the tourism sector, including the opening of hotels and beaches.

Ms Marques said that flights are restarting and that, next month, there will be 25 weekly services between Ireland and Portugal.

"So we believe those rules will be gradually revised. And that all the conditions will be favourable so that Portugal welcomes Irish people in July and August."

MickeyLeari

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Portugal's Secretary of State for Tourism has said she believes the 14-day self-quarantine rule for Irish people who travel abroad will be revised soon.

Speaking on RTÉ's Morning Ireland, Rita Marques said: "I trust that rule in Ireland will be revised soon. That is the information I have."

She is right.

stephenjmcd

MickeyLeari wrote: »

She is right.

Would be great if our own government could tell us but instead the Portuguese seem to have more up to date information

road_high

Anyone know what’s the story with the likes of Kildare village? All open air street style stores. Nothing on their social media. Have stores been blindsided by this and may not be ready for a Monday opening?