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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

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  • #1922
    bush
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,878 ✭✭✭bush


    uli84 wrote: »
    So will homeware part of homestore & more open on Monday or because of Ikea it will be forever closed off?

    Is ikea not allowed open on Monday?


  • #1923
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bush wrote: »
    Is ikea not allowed open on Monday?
    Officially June 29 in Phase 3.


  • #1924
    Breezin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 698 ✭✭✭Breezin


    Liam Unimportant Sweeper wrote: »
    Open the barbers!


    Hair! Hair!


  • #1925
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Redo your numbers in 4 weeks and lets see where we are with Sweden still having 50 deaths per day and Ireland <5

    Ah now this is utter tripe.

    The reason restrictions were implemented last Spring was to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed and doctors administering triage not seen at levels since world war 1.

    Why are we still behind Europe by month's in lifting restriction?

    And Sweden is proof restrictions may have made little difference


  • #1926
    Penfailed
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    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    There are 0 flaws in my argument. We have 100,000 construction lads eating chicken fillet rolls for 18 days now, huddling together. Barely any masks. 0 Social distancing.

    The fact that you cant get a pint in your local pub? are you really that out of touch with reality?

    You are out of touch with reality if you think that there is zero social distancing on construction sites. It's quite obvious that you don't work in the industry. Everything has changed since the restart.

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  • #1927
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Ah yes, people over 65, the expendables and those not to be worried about. they were probably a tax drain anyway.

    who cares if those young, fit, healthy people infected those over 65 tax drains.

    I've requoted this post because its what those in favour of lockdown are reduced to.

    Some sort of emotional blackmail style rhetoric.

    Nowhere in my post did I suggest anyone was expendable.
    I was making the point Sweden are doing fine without bizzare restrictions like 5km distance, screwing up their kids lives etc


  • #1928
    Penfailed
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    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Oh please you havent posted anything of meaning in this thread for weeks if not months, called out numerous times now too.

    All you do is attack individual posts, although attack is a strong word. Just gibberish about half a sentence lol.

    Chill pill :rolleyes:

    I call out individual posts rather than attack the poster. That's how it works ;)

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  • #1929
    is_that_so
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ah now this is utter tripe.

    The reason restrictions were implemented last Spring was to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed and doctors administering triage not seen at levels since world war 1.

    Why are we still behind Europe by month's in lifting restriction?

    And Sweden is proof restrictions may have made little difference
    Sweden is just proof that a lot of people died because they messed up on their strategy.


  • #1930
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Ginger n Lemon wrote: »
    Oh please you havent posted anything of meaning in this thread for weeks if not months, called out numerous times now too.

    All you do is attack individual posts, although attack is a strong word. Just gibberish about half a sentence lol.

    Chill pill :rolleyes:
    How would you know? You've only been here annoying people for, at most, four weeks!


  • #1931
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Sweden is just proof that a lot of people died because they messed up on their strategy.

    Nah thats rubbish

    They have lost similar numbers to us.


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  • #1932
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Nah thats rubbish

    They have lost similar number to us.
    Well, their main guy says so as well. Rubbish too, I guess?


  • #1933
    JPCN1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 941 ✭✭✭JPCN1


    frillyleaf wrote: »
    I disagree with this. Our healthcare didn’t cope with the increase of cases. We had to take over private hospitals and cancel most non emergency treatments to manage a relatively small number of cases

    It did cope and the private hospitals remained largely empty at a cost of €300,000,000 to you and I. Any medic will tell you that outside of Covid the entire hospital system has been quieter than it has ever been.

    Like the economy there is a no argument for keeping the private hospitals until the end of June. The deal should have ended weeks ago as the numbers dictated they weren't needed.


  • #1934
    is_that_so
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    JPCN1 wrote: »
    It did cope and the private hospitals remained largely empty at a cost of €300,000,000 to you and I. Any medic will tell you that outside of Covid the entire hospital system has been quieter than it has ever been.

    Like the economy there is a no argument for keeping the private hospitals until the end of June. The deal should have ended weeks ago as the numbers dictated they weren't needed.
    It was the right call to get extra capacity quickly, capacity we ended up not needing, that's called planning and responding. It will be done differently in the future. Not sure where you get the idea we can just cancel contracts, especially ones with huge logistical requirements.


  • #1935
    Jim_Hodge
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Nah thats rubbish

    They have lost similar numbers to us.

    Nonsense. They have 450 deaths per million to our 336. 34% more and their death rate hasn't levelled out to any great degree yet.


  • #1936
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Nah thats rubbish

    They have lost similar numbers to us.

    And are continuing to lose 10 times our current number. What they have done slowed the rate, but did not reverse, unlike lockdown. It's obvious to anyone who takes a serious look at the data.


  • #1937
    [Deleted User]
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    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Nonsense. They have 450 deaths per million to our 336. 34% more and their death rate hasn't levelled out to any great degree yet.

    You don't understand. Their current numbers don't fit his narrative, so you must change the way they are interpreted until they do


  • #1938
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,656 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Nonsense. They have 450 deaths per million to our 336. 34% more and their death rate hasn't levelled out to any great degree yet.

    Thats using the complete population as a metric.

    95% of deaths are over 65.

    Readjust the figures using only the population over 65 and they are on a par with Ireland.

    Using the complete population as a metric to compare countries is idiotic at this stage, if a country has less citizens over 65 of course they will appear to preform better


  • #1939
    Don't Chute!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,842 ✭✭✭Don't Chute!


    Just thinking about this 20 km restriction nonsense. So I live in Greystones and from Monday I can go 20kms from the house which would get me roughly out to dun laoghaire. The government are saying this restriction is in place to stop spreading the virus to places that don’t have many cases. So let’s just say I had the virus with no symptoms and went to dun loaghaire on Monday and came in contact with someone who lives there. Now they have a 20km zone in which they can go which would get them to roughly the city Centre. Now say he goes to the city Centre and meets someone who lives there.........

    Don’t think I need to go on with that to show how ridiculous it is. It’s just a restriction for the sake of being able to say we are doing something about the spread. No thought whatsoever put into it.


  • #1940
    FintanMcluskey
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    And are continuing to lose 10 times our current number. What they have done slowed the rate, but did not reverse, unlike lockdown. It's obvious to anyone who takes a serious look at the data.

    The reason lockdown was implemented was to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

    You continue to ignore this despite many posters trying really to help you understand but I think you are still struggling


  • #1941
    VonLuck
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    Penfailed wrote: »
    You are out of touch with reality if you think that there is zero social distancing on construction sites. It's quite obvious that you don't work in the industry. Everything has changed since the restart.

    I can see a building site from my bedroom window and while they try to obey social distancing, it's impossible to implement. Workers are arriving in the same car and then queuing up to enter the site 2m apart from each other! Somewhat pointless.


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  • #1942
    JPCN1
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It was the right call to get extra capacity quickly, capacity we ended up not needing, that's called planning and responding. It will be done differently in the future. Not sure where you get the idea we can just cancel contracts, especially ones with huge logistical requirements.

    We certainly did need the extra beds as we had one of the lowest ICU capacities per capita but it was suggested to the HSE that they could plan to take them on a phased basis as the numbers dictated.

    I know that some of the private hospitals have been asking to have them back for weeks now to get on with their normal business so the cancellation of contracts probably not that difficult. I'll grant that the we do seem incapable of managing huge logistical requirements as evidenced by the failure to have the leaving cert.


  • #1943
    [Deleted User]
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    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The reason lockdown was implemented was to prevent hospitals becoming overwhelmed.

    You continue to ignore this despite many posters trying really to help you understand but I think you are still struggling

    I fully understand - and understand bull**** when I read it. You continue to argue that Sweden has not suffered as a result of its lack of lockdown when it is clear it has. The health system may not have been overwhelmed, but the continuing death rate in Sweden is continuing to pull away from the rest of Europe. They even admitted themselves that the strategy is failing. Maybe the optimal strategy would have been somewhere between the Italian / Spanish style don't leave your home for any reason apart from food shopping and essential work, and the Swedish social distancing only model. Which in fact is round about what we actually did.

    And if you have read any of my posts I am not arguing for continued lockdown, or even the current slow pace of easing of restriction. Just in case you feel the need to continue with your current style and argue a point I am not making


  • #1944
    Penfailed
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    VonLuck wrote: »
    I can see a building site from my bedroom window and while they try to obey social distancing, it's impossible to implement. Workers are arriving in the same car and then queuing up to enter the site 2m apart from each other! Somewhat pointless.

    It's not impossible to implement on sites. Getting TO the site is a completely different matter. Everyone requires a digital Covid Card by going through an online induction by the Construction Industry Federation. All site activities have updated risk assessments and method statements to cater for social distancing and any task where social distancing can't be maintained has additional PPE as requirement.

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  • #1945
    [Deleted User]
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    VonLuck wrote: »
    I can see a building site from my bedroom window and while they try to obey social distancing, it's impossible to implement. Workers are arriving in the same car and then queuing up to enter the site 2m apart from each other! Somewhat pointless.

    The site can only influence what people do at work. How you get there is your own personal responsibility. My workplace, not construction by the way but there is ongoing construction on portion of the site, have issued guidance on travel to work for carpoolers - only occupy driver seat and rear passenger seat if you need to car pool with someone from outside your own home, or if that's not possible wear a face mask. But this is personal responsibility ultimately


  • #1946
    [Deleted User]
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    Don't Chute! wrote: »
    Just thinking about this 20 km restriction nonsense. So I live in Greystones and from Monday I can go 20kms from the house which would get me roughly out to dun laoghaire. The government are saying this restriction is in place to stop spreading the virus to places that don’t have many cases. So let’s just say I had the virus with no symptoms and went to dun loaghaire on Monday and came in contact with someone who lives there. Now they have a 20km zone in which they can go which would get them to roughly the city Centre. Now say he goes to the city Centre and meets someone who lives there.........

    Don’t think I need to go on with that to show how ridiculous it is. It’s just a restriction for the sake of being able to say we are doing something about the spread. No thought whatsoever put into it.

    It's worse than that. While I get that a 2km is, in effect, a lockdown with some exercise allowance, and 5km makes some sense in restricting contacts, the next stage should be to remove it entirely. All that a 20km restriction will achieve is to concentrate the whole of Dublin into Howth and Dun Laoghaire, which surely is the worst thing to do


  • #1947
    end of the road
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    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    The death rates are so low because of the restrictions in March and April. The restrictions now are not limiting the Covid-19 death rate as the virus has been eliminated from the community, as per Holohan. Harking back to the effect the restrictionshhad in March/April when the virus was active in the community is not relevant to now. Nobody is arguing against restrictions back then so why do people always go back to then when supporting continued restrictions now?

    march april and may.
    it wasn't until recently that cases came down.
    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    The restrictions now are though increasing the death rates to come due to late diagnosis and delayed treatment of all the other illness, both physical and mental, which are still as prevalent as before but are being ignored.

    no it is governmental choice to focus the health efforts on covid 19 that are causing that.
    diagnosing and treating other serious illnesses should have continued and should bee back running now.
    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    Then there is the economic fallout, the lose of livelihoods, the reduction in standards of living, etc. Every day of prolonged unnecessary restrictions is throwing more people and businesses on the scrap heap.

    that was always going to happen, it was unavoidable.
    it's sad yes, but there isn't anything that could have been done to prevent it.
    Pete_Cavan wrote: »
    The analogy on pumping money into policing is not accurate. Crime can and does rise with lack of policing. Experience in other countries is showing that cases of Covid-19 do not automatically rise with reduced restrictions if social distancing and other measures are maintained. There are countries into their fourth week of schools/bars/restaurants/hairdressers open and cases continue to drop, yet we have to wait another month. Why do we ignore the evidence of the actual real life experiment happening in front of us in favour of some theory for which there is no evidence?

    we aren't ignoring the evidence of the actual real life experiment happening in front of us in favour of some theory for which there is no evidence.
    we are monitoring said real life experiment and on the basis of actual evidence rather then internet forums, we set out a roadmap which by it's nature allows for a quicker reopening then the given timeline based on all of the information.
    we are getting the exact thing we wanted.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1948
    frillyleaf
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    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    The Sunday Indo article was about bringing the travel restrictions earlier

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/move-to-scrap-travel-limit-from-june-29-to-save-summer-39247219.html

    Since then public health officials have come out against the plan and Harris etc seem to be rowing back

    I don’t understand why this would spook them though? If anything it could be an incentive to drive to 20k until then


  • #1949
    road_high
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    As we head into another one of these ridiculous phases...another idiotic anomaly arises- shops bar Food, IT, pharmacy aren’t allowed open until August within a shopping centre. Who the fcuk is in charge? Idiotic idiotic idiotic. Jesus Christ this place is a lunatic asylum. Actually you’d get more sense. Devastated for small retailers caught in this


  • #1950
    is_that_so
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    road_high wrote: »
    As we head into another one of these ridiculous phases...another idiotic anomaly arises- shops bar Food, IT, pharmacy aren’t allowed open until August within a shopping centre. Who the fcuk is in charge? Idiotic idiotic idiotic. Jesus Christ this place is a lunatic asylum. Actually good get more sense. Devastated for small retailers caught in this
    You should set a limit on the number of rants you'll allow yourself a day. Good for your mental health!:)


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  • #1951
    road_high
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    You should set a limit on the number of rants you'll allow yourself a day. Good for your mental health!:)

    One man a rant is another’s opinion. If you don’t like or agree that’s fine. Perfectly logic standpoint and the stupid injustice to small retail and other sectors enflames passions. Nothing wrong with that


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