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Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

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    #7112
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    jackboy wrote: »
    No but they can decide which Irish people should be denied entry to the states. Individuals in the past who signed a petition at an anti war protest at the American embassy in Dublin were subsequently denied a visa for the states.

    Why would you bring in to your country those who hate you ?

    jacjboy are you a fool ?


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    #7113
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    statesaver wrote: »
    Why would you bring in to your country those who hate you ?

    jacjboy are you a fool ?

    Do you hate everyone youve ever disagreed with about anything?


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    #7114
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users Posts: 3,195 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    Brian? wrote: »
    You posted a video titled “BLM looting...”.
    Every black person rioting/looting is a member ofBlack Lives Matter. Every white person rioting/looting is a member of Antifa

    Sin é


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    #7115
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Every black person rioting/looting is a member ofBlack Lives Matter. Every white person rioting/looting is a member of Antifa

    Sin é

    Ahhh. I have it now. Thanks.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7116
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian? wrote: »
    You actually have no idea who Antifa are. How can you say they are bad people.



    I would. But the handy thing about fascist and other far right groups is that the love a good uniform. It used to be black/brown/blue shirts. Now it’s black Fred Perry Polos, white sheets etc. Nice and handy to spot.

    Fred Perry wearers are fascist? Ffs. Ok man. Judging people by their appearance is now a GOOD thing.

    I can't spot an antifa member by their opinions but I can by their actions. That's how people should be judged imo.

    Funnily enough, antifa supporters are like vegans. They can't wait to tell you


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    #7117
    Madeleine Birchfield
    Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭Madeleine Birchfield


    Billy Mays wrote: »
    Every black person rioting/looting is a member ofBlack Lives Matter. Every white person rioting/looting is a member of Antifa

    Sin é

    Right. Just like every Catholic rioting in 1969 was a member of the IRA.


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    #7118
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    https://twitter.com/jason_a_w/status/1267130529758932993


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    #7119
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 20,992 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Fred Perry wearers are fascist? Ffs. Ok man. Judging people by their appearance is now a GOOD thing.

    Don’t play dumb. You brought up the Proud Boys. They wear a uniform of black Fred Perry polo shirts. And no, I didn’t call them fascists. I said “fascists and other far right groups”.
    I can't spot an antifa member by their opinions but I can by their actions. That's how people should be judged imo.

    Funnily enough, antifa supporters are like vegans. They can't wait to tell you

    So how come you’ve asked me repeatedly if I support Antifa and ignore my answer?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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    #7120
    [Deleted User]
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    Brian? wrote: »
    Don’t play dumb. You brought up the Proud Boys. They wear a uniform of black Fred Perry polo shirts. And no, I didn’t call them fascists. I said “fascists and other far right groups”.



    So how come you’ve asked me repeatedly if I support Antifa and ignore my answer?

    Good. So we agree proud boys aren't fascists.

    I ask you repeatedly because you consistently post on a thread about antifa in a manner that can be construed as complicit support.


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    #7121
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Do you hate everyone youve ever disagreed with about anything?

    Read what i said again


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    #7122
    [Deleted User]
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    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    overreach of power. ****ing hell.

    Outrageous murder by a policeman? Is that ok?

    I'm as disgusted as it as you are. Apologies if I didn't describe it like you wanted me to.


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    #7123
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    statesaver wrote: »
    Read what i said again

    I read it the first time. Why would people opposed to Americas war stance automatically hate America?

    Do Americans that disagree with their wars hate America?


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    #7124
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Brian? wrote: »
    Don’t play dumb. You brought up the Proud Boys. They wear a uniform of black Fred Perry polo shirts. And no, I didn’t call them fascists. I said “fascists and other far right groups”.



    So how come you’ve asked me repeatedly if I support Antifa and ignore my answer?

    You support Antifa, with their flegs, you support all that.

    They are fascists.


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    #7125
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I read it the first time. Why would people opposed to Americas war stance automatically hate America?

    Do Americans that disagree with their wars hate America?

    What ?


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    #7126
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    Everybody talks about the KKK when the American white supremecists have largely left the KKK for other groups like the Proud Boys and Stormfront.

    Yeah Proudboys are certainly not white supremacists, Stormfront..is that even still a thing?

    In any case Stormfront were 'white separatists' Not supremacists

    The entire premise of 'white supremacists' is completely flawed. They don't want to lord it over non whites..they want complete separation, big difference.


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    #7127
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Madeleine Birchfield wrote: »
    Everybody talks about the KKK when the American white supremecists have largely left the KKK for other groups like the Proud Boys and Stormfront.

    :confused:


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    #7128
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Here , which bit is the issue?
    jackboy wrote: »
    No but they can decide which Irish people should be denied entry to the states. Individuals in the past who signed a petition at an anti war protest at the American embassy in Dublin were subsequently denied a visa for the states.
    statesaver wrote: »
    Why would you bring in to your country those who hate you ?

    jacjboy are you a fool ?
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Do you hate everyone youve ever disagreed with about anything?
    statesaver wrote: »
    Read what i said again
    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I read it the first time. Why would people opposed to Americas war stance automatically hate America?

    Do Americans that disagree with their wars hate America?
    statesaver wrote: »
    What ?


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    #7129
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »

    The entire premise of 'white supremacists' is completely flawed. They don't want to lord it over non whites..they want complete separation, big difference.

    Thats ok then. Have they tried leaving America and letting the Natives have it back?


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    #7130
    Venom
    Registered Users Posts: 6,984 ✭✭✭Venom


    All fun and tweets until the mob turns on you :cool:



    https://twitter.com/Jeremadou/status/1267137409466204168?s=20


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    #7131
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Every country has a right or should have a right to deny entry to anyone wanting to enter their country.


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    #7132
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    statesaver wrote: »
    Every county has a right or should have a right to deny entry to anyone wanting to enter their country.

    Is that a reply to me?

    Denying entry wasnt what it was about. You said why would you bring in people that hate you. Where does being anti an american war mean they hate america?


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    #7133
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Thats ok then. Have they tried leaving America and letting the Natives have it back?

    That's a good question and absolutely valid in this particular context.
    America was of course taken from the natives by force and genocide. Much like Ireland was by the British but we regained our land.

    They believe because they 'built' America it means its theirs but of course it was built on the genocide of the natives and on the backs of the Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc

    You have to remember though, neither the Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Wasp Whites or anybody else is native to the northern US, only native americans. So in the hypothetical event of America being given back to the natives, basically everybody has to go.

    Mexicans are of course taking back the bits of land they lost in the south through immigration.


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    #7134
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    statesaver wrote: »
    You support Antifa, with their flegs, you support all that.

    They are fascists.

    For ANTIFA fascism and capitalism are the same. The organisation originated in Germany in the 1920s as an offshoot of the German Communist Party (KPD), to compete with rival socialist thugs. They have always been and remain violent left-wing revolutionaries and their actions are defined by the German government in that manner.

    In the United States the Democrat party is a coalition of different groups sometimes with competing agendas, a hardful of these groups are hard left and it is these groups associated with ANTIFA who use the Democrat party for political cover. This is why ANTIFA appears to operate with impunity in DNC controlled districts, interestingly they do not operate in cities that enforce anti-mask laws that were originally bought in to limit the KKK. In an era of widespread social media, enforcement of anti-masking laws would severely curtail this groups acts of public violence.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #7135
    [Deleted User]
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    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    That's a good question and absolutely valid in this particular context.
    America was of course taken from the natives by force and genocide. Much like Ireland was by the British but we regained our land.

    They believe because they 'built' America it means its theirs but of course it was built on the genocide of the natives and on the backs of the Blacks, Chinese, Irish etc

    You have to remember though, neither the Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Wasp Whites or anybody else is native to the northern US, only native americans. So in the hypothetical event of America being given back to the natives, basically everybody has to go.

    Mexicans are of course taking back the bits of land they lost in the south through immigration.

    Do you support the goals of white separatists? Do you think they have a reasonable argument?


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    #7136
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Clarence Boddiker wrote: »
    You have to remember though, neither the Mexicans, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Wasp Whites or anybody else is native to the US, only native americans. So in the hypothetical event of America being given back to the natives, basically everybody has to go.

    Yeah, I wasnt saying anyone has more of a claim to stay, but if its you (you being the collective group with the issue, not you personally) that has the issue with everyone else, maybe its you that should go?

    At least people from Africa have the distinction of not having chosen to go to America in the first place. Id imagine them and the Natives can probably come to an agreement between them.

    Mexicans are a bit closer and to decide that everyone thats on the northern side of the present day border doesn't belong would be a tad simplistic.


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    #7137
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Overheal wrote: »
    That won’t change much. Antifa wasn’t really an organization so much as a movement.

    People will just use a different term and so labeling Antifa terrorist has no teeth. Rebranding is an old card white supremacy groups have been playing for decades, and anti-fascist anarchists will too.

    Fitting since they are the opposite sides of the same coin.


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    #7138
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Do you support the goals of white separatists? Do you think they have a reasonable argument?

    I dont support their hatred of other races but I believe its probably in the best interests for everybody that the US breaks up to some degree rather than descend into civil war. Multiculturalism is clearly not working as we can see. It does for some and not for others.

    As for Ireland I believe in Ireland for the Irish people, I don't want to see Ireland turn into a version of South Africa, Syria or what we see happening in the US today. I also strongly support the likes of African nations taking control of their own wealth and resources and becoming prosperous, successful societies.


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    #7139
    Clarence Boddiker
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    At least people from Africa have the distinction of not having chosen to go to America in the first place.

    Yes its true they didn't have any choice and I don't think for a minute they should leave, but if they do not want to coexist with whites then they (the ones that don't want to live with whites) should agitate for some kind of separation. A society of resentment is no good for anyone.


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    #7140
    CtevenSrowder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Brian? wrote: »
    You actually have no idea who Antifa are. How can you say they are bad people.



    I would. But the handy thing about fascist and other far right groups is that the love a good uniform. It used to be black/brown/blue shirts. Now it’s black Fred Perry Polos, white sheets etc. Nice and handy to spot.

    Oh **** me, tell me that last comment is parody. I can spot far right groups because of what they wear, but not antifa because of what they wear. Christ.


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    #7141
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Venom wrote: »
    All fun and tweets until the mob turns on you :cool:



    https://twitter.com/Jeremadou/status/1267137409466204168?s=20

    j-jonah-laughing.gif

    Its all fun and games encouraging them to burn down and loot other communities, but the narrative flips real quick when their communities are in the cross hairs.


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