Antifa [Mod Warning on post #1 - updated 08/08/19]

Overheal

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

again your reading comprehension is poor.



that did not take place. you imagined it. god knows how.

From the post history ITT it’s an obsession with splitting hairs on semantics. Earlier they claimed to be the reigning authority on when to use the word Fascism.

nullzero

Overheal wrote: »

You were. Which is why I called you out on it! It’s not rocket surgery. Stick to the topic without pretending to be a moral authority on manners because you demonstrably are not.

Well you aren't covering yourself in glory here either are you?

It doesn't take a "rocket surgeon" to figure that out.

Mr E

Mod: Jesus Christ lads, seriously? Can you not debate this without taking potshots at each other?

Overheal

nullzero wrote: »

So of somebody calls me stupid I have to accept it?

Like you said my discussion is with another user NOT you.

Then have it in private.

This is a public access forum where users have a right to engage. If you don’t want to be called out for being hypocritical, well, that’s entirely avoidable on your end.

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

well obviously your background and qualifications are relevant if you think that the police are supposed to ignore crime because it might upset criminals to be arrested .
its already been explained to you why this sort of arrest is made in these circumstances just because you don't like it doesn't make it wrong

Eh, he never said that they have to ignore crime. Bundling a person into an unmarked van with multiple officers is overkill. They weren't an immediate risk to anyone. Arresting them at their home would be far more logical.

mynamejeff

Deleted User wrote: »

Eh, he never said that they have to ignore crime. Bundling a person into an unmarked van with multiple officers is overkill. They weren't an immediate risk to anyone. Arresting them at their home would be far more logical.

Snatch off the street fast and safely or engage in a protracted siege at an address that some one may or may not be found at ?

but you and some others are more qualified and know better right .

Waco , ruby ridge , SLA , Balcombe Street,

google is your friend ,


im gona put the troll on ignore

ExMachina1000

Overheal wrote: »

Then have it in private.

This is a public access forum where users have a right to engage. If you don’t want to be called out for being hypocritical, well, that’s entirely avoidable on your end.

Antifa are no good.

Overheal

mynamejeff wrote: »

Snatch off the street fast and safely or engage in a protracted siege at an address that some one may or may not be found at ?

but you and some others are more qualified and know better right .

Waco , ruby ridge , SLA , Balcombe Street,

google is your friend ,


im gona put the troll on ignore

A siege at a home address? LOL

Completely bonkers to compare arresting one young girl to Waco. Jesus.

Foxtrol

mynamejeff wrote: »

Snatch off the street fast and safely or engage in a protracted siege at an address that some one may or may not be found at ?

but you and some others are more qualified and know better right .

Waco , ruby ridge , SLA , Balcombe Street,

google is your friend ,


im gona put the troll on ignore

The person arrested wasn't just randomly walking down the street, they were part of a large group on a protest march.

It is absolute stupidity to think a situation where tensions were already high and the officers were massively outnumbered is a 'safe' time for unmarked officers to arrest someone for a non-violent crime that happened weeks ago.

NYPD spend their time crying about murder rates and trying to blame everyone else for them while at the same time wasting all these resources here. The actions of the cops were aimed to incite the crowd and when they didn't get the reaction they wanted they lied about it.

Overheal

Foxtrol wrote: »

The person arrested wasn't just randomly walking down the street, they were part of a large group on a protest march.

It is absolute stupidity to think a situation where tensions were already high and the officers were massively outnumbered is a 'safe' time for unmarked officers to arrest someone for a non-violent crime that happened weeks ago.

NYPD spend their time crying about murder rates and trying to blame everyone else for them while at the same time wasting all these resources here. The actions of the cops were aimed to incite the crowd and when they didn't get the reaction they wanted they lied about it.

Also clearly wasn’t “safely” if NYPD can simultaneously claim they were assaulted with rocks and bottles.

Dyr

I think the Trump presidency permenantely broke some peoples brains. Not sure how the US is going to deal with it but I suppose the Federales rounding up the ones whos looniness goes beyond dying their hair blue and screeching on twitter might be a good start.

ohnonotgmail

mynamejeff wrote: »

Snatch off the street fast and safely or engage in a protracted siege at an address that some one may or may not be found at ?

but you and some others are more qualified and know better right .

Waco , ruby ridge , SLA , Balcombe Street,

google is your friend ,


im gona put the troll on ignore

ah come on now. she damaged some cameras. a little perspective.

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

Snatch off the street fast and safely or engage in a protracted siege at an address that some one may or may not be found at ?

but you and some others are more qualified and know better right .

Waco , ruby ridge , SLA , Balcombe Street,

google is your friend ,


im gona put the troll on ignore

What basis do you have for a non violent criminal resulting in a siege? Should all future crimes use unmarked vehicles to grab people? Sure they could all result in sieges by your logic.

Overheal

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What basis do you have for a non violent criminal resulting in a siege? Should all future crimes use unmarked vehicles to grab people? Sure they could all result in sieges by your logic.

‘Unpaid parking tickets? Better use a no knock warrant; you can’t lose with a no knock warrant!

‘No Knock Warrants: Breonna Tested, Legally Approved! Order yours today!’

Foxtrol

Big win for the protesters. Phased withdrawal of the federal forces in Portland.

Likely a sign that the Trump team have finally realised that inciting chaos and then showing a complete inability to stop it isn't a smart election move, especially when their response instead provides images of dragging people into unmarked cars and shooting peaceful moms and kids in the face.

https://twitter.com/OregonGovBrown/status/1288497308733018113?s=20

nullzero

Foxtrol wrote: »

Big win for the protesters. Phased withdrawal of the federal forces in Portland.

Likely a sign that the Trump team have finally realised that inciting chaos and then showing a complete inability to stop it isn't a smart election move, especially when their response instead provides images of dragging people into unmarked cars and shooting peaceful moms and kids in the face.

https://twitter.com/OregonGovBrown/status/1288497308733018113?s=20

Puts the onus on the protestors to keep all protests peaceful going forward. Hopefully that's what happens.

Foxtrol

nullzero wrote: »

Puts the onus on the protestors to keep all protests peaceful going forward. Hopefully that's what happens.

Fingers crossed. Peaceful protests haven't stopped state forces from becoming violent so there is no guarantee how any side will react.

nullzero

Foxtrol wrote: »

Fingers crossed. Peaceful protests haven't stopped state forces from becoming violent so there is no guarantee how any side will react.

Both sides need to take a long look in the mirror.
Hopefully the violence ends one way or another.

Overheal

President Trump said Wednesday he would send the National Guard into Portland if the violence doesn’t subside.

The president’s remarks come as federal officials are preparing to pull out of the city and de-escalate the fevered tensions between police and protesters. Just hours earlier, Oregon Gov. Kate Brown (D) announced the federal government has agreed to pull federal officers out of the city.

“After my discussions with VP Pence and others, the federal government has agreed to withdraw federal officers from Portland. They have acted as an occupying force & brought violence. Starting tomorrow, all Customs and Border Protection & ICE officers will leave downtown Portland,” Brown tweeted.

But Trump took the podium at an energy conference in Midland, Tex., and redoubled his threats to activate the National Guard, calling the protesters anarchists.

“And I told my people a little while ago, if they don’t solve that problem locally very soon, we’re going to send in the National Guard and get it solved very quickly, just like we did in Minneapolis and just like we will do in other places,” he said. “They want to solve their problem. They’ve got a very short time to do it. But they’ll either solve that problem or w’ell send in the National Guard.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/protests-live-updates-nypd-facing-questions-demonstrations-continue/

Sounds like Trump bluster and posturing, to take center stage and credit for the planned de escalation by making himself seem tougher. However it’s likely to have the Streisand Effect, like most else he does, which will result in larger crowds or protesters who oppose sending in the national guard to crack down on protests.

Meanwhile federal forces are being deployed to more Democrat cities in particular in transparent electioneering moves.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/29/protests-live-updates-nypd-facing-questions-demonstrations-continue/?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-low_wednesday-rr-luf%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo&itid=hp_hp-top-table-low_wednesday-rr-luf%3Aprime-time%2Fpromo#link-O5YFL3OMJBCABBG7WNIF4UEP5A

The Justice Department said Wednesday that it will send additional federal officers into major cities including Milwaukee, Cleveland and Detroit to address violent crime.

Dubbed “Operation Legend,” the program will direct agents from the FBI; Drug Enforcement Administration; Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and U.S. Marshals Service to join local task forces and work with cities to reduce rising crime rates.

“The most basic responsibility of government is to protect the safety of our citizens,” Attorney General William P. Barr said in a statement. “The Department of Justice’s assets will supplement local law enforcement efforts, as we work together to take the shooters and chronic violent criminals off of our streets.”

The department said it plans to send 42 agents to Detroit and more than 25 each to Cleveland and Milwaukee.

The announcement comes at a time of growing anxiety over the presence of federal agents in U.S. cities. After weeks of violent clashes between federal troops and protesters erupted on the streets of Portland, Ore., city officials are expressing mixed reactions to the decision to expand the federal government’s footprint.

“Federal agents who are here in Chicago have been here for decades … they know their city, and they live here,” Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot (D) said at a news conference in the past week. “They will be plugged into the existing infrastructure of the agencies, manage and supervise existing cases and investigations.”

But others have been more critical, such as Albuquerque Mayor Tim Keller (D).

“There’s no place for Trump’s secret police in our city,” Keller said in a statement.


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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1288599151349923840?s=21[/url]

Something tells me he just can’t stand the reporting that DHS and Portland reached an agreement without him.

Overheal

Ah yes. His sycophants are working overtime on this one (attached image)

Trump meanwhile shoots himself on the foot, retweeting article arguing his use of feds is “totalitarianism” and “unconstitutional.” So, he didn’t read it...

[url] https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-re-tweets-judge-napolitano-op-ed-calling-deployment-of-feds-in-portland-unconstitutional-and-totalitarianism[/url]

Mr E

Morning all. The CA/IMHO mods have decided that this thread has run it's course.
A handful of posters are dominating this thread and generating a colossal amount of reported posts.

Our options were some thread bans, or close the thread. Closing the thread was unanimous.