How will schools be able to go back in September?

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 18-05-2020 08:30PM

khalessi wrote: »

So your solution if the schools remain closed, due to public health policy is to sack everyone?

Can you point out where I said that?

TheValeyard · 18-05-2020 08:30PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I saw a thread in the Teaching forum practically relishing in the fact that parents were struggling, another from a teacher who wanted to be compensated because they weren't getting their yearly top up of 3k-4k for correcting exams this year.

Which thread, show me quotes to back up what you said please.

History Queen · 18-05-2020 08:32PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

If you’re going to be obtuse, then a clear question would have been: Do you think people who aren’t working should be paid for working?

I'm not being obtuse. You're trying to see something that isn't there.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 18-05-2020 08:38PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Which thread, show me quotes to back up what you said please.

There's quite a few posts over on the teaching forum, here's one where teachers refer sarcastically to pupils as 'little angels' several times and have a smugfest at parents who find themselves in a difficult position of having to do their own job along with that of the teachers. Misdirected seeking of praise to be honest and the attitude stinks.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058065474

Here's one teacher looking for compensation, you don't see many people going on about compensation for everyone who has to manage on covid/dole payments through no fault of their own or who has had their pay/bonus/overtime cut.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058076230

khalessi · 18-05-2020 08:41PM

Here's one teacher looking for compensation, you don't see many people going on about compensation for everyone who has to manage on covid/dole payments through no fault of their own or who has had their pay/bonus/overtime cut.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058076230[/QUOTE]

I am going to say this again. That teacher is possibly not on full hours as I said I know secondary teachers with just 5 hourse who keep going in the hopes of getting more work in the school. They probalby asked because they are financially stretched.

TheValeyard · 18-05-2020 08:44PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

There's quite a few posts over on the teaching forum, here's one where teachers refer sarcastically to pupils as 'little angels' several times and have a smugfest at parents who find themselves in a difficult position of having to do their own job along with that of the teachers. Misdirected seeking of praise to be honest and the attitude stinks.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058065474

Here's one teacher looking for compensation, you don't see many people going on about compensation for everyone who has to manage on covid/dole payments through no fault of their own or who has had their pay/bonus/overtime cut.

https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2058076230

Two posts does not equal quite a few posts. Also, some parents make actually see how difficult it can be to educate their child.

A dubious thread shut down immediately by a moderator, hardly qualifies as teachers looking for extra, considering many are not even on full wages or full hours.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 18-05-2020 08:49PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

Two posts does not equal quite a few posts. Also, some parents make actually see how difficult it can be to educate their child.

A dubious thread shut down immediately by a moderator, hardly qualifies as teachers looking for extra, considering many are not even on full wages or full hours.

They are two threads, many other similar posts.

I think that attitude stinks and has no place in what's happening at the moment. It's akin to a business publicly slagging off their customers and if some teachers feel that way then they are in the wrong profession and spoil it for their hardworking colleagues.

Most people will be happy enough if they have a job at the end of all of this.

I think there will be a resounding wake up call when reality bites.

jrosen · 18-05-2020 08:50PM

You can hardly criticize someone for ranting about loosing out on money they thought they would be earning. Im sure most people would be peed off.

Wonder will all our fretting and concern be for nothing come September. Saw so many kids out playing today with their friends, including my own and it was wonderful to see. If this level of social interaction continues im not sure how a reduction in school days/time can be justified.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 08:53PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

They are two threads, many other similar posts.

I think that attitude stinks and has no place in what's happening at the moment. It's akin to a business publicly slagging off their customers and if some teachers feel that way then they are in the wrong profession and spoil it for their hardworking colleagues.

Most people will be happy enough if they have a job at the end of all of this.

I think there will be a resounding wake up call when reality bites.

I think in that thread you come across very poorly Fringe and continue to do so. You have a very big chip on your shoulder about something and seems teachers is where you are aiming it at.

Windorah · 18-05-2020 08:54PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

They are two threads, many other similar posts.

I think that attitude stinks and has no place in what's happening at the moment. It's akin to a business publicly slagging off their customers and if some teachers feel that way then they are in the wrong profession and spoil it for their hardworking colleagues.

Most people will be happy enough if they have a job at the end of all of this.

I think there will be a resounding wake up call when reality bites.

What exactly is your problem with teachers?? I know from your numerous posts across this thread that you have LOADS of experience of the education sector as a whole so please enlighten us all. What exactly are you trying to prove??

Anyways I may go off over to the accountancy forum and tell them how to do their job!

History Queen · 18-05-2020 08:55PM

I wonder would it be possible to move towards a blended learning model for September if it helped get students back to a slightly more traditional form of education. The ideal obviously would be schools opening as they were before closure, but assuming that isn't possible, I wonder if a blended learning model with adapted curriculum might be workable.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 08:57PM

History Queen wrote: »

I wonder would it be possible to move towards a blended learning model for September if it helped get students back to a slightly more traditional form of education. The ideal obviously would be schools opening as they were before closure, but assuming that isn't possible, I wonder if a blended learning model with adapted curriculum might be workable.

I think that is what we could be looking at. Groups of kids coming in one a day a week and then online learning for the rest/ It is going to be a nightmare to organise but we will get there.

TheValeyard · 18-05-2020 08:58PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

They are two threads, many other similar posts.

I think that attitude stinks and has no place in what's happening at the moment. It's akin to a business publicly slagging off their customers and if some teachers feel that way then they are in the wrong profession and spoil it for their hardworking colleagues.

Most people will be happy enough if they have a job at the end of all of this.

I think there will be a resounding wake up call when reality bites.

Obviously two threads since one was immediately closed. Many other similar posts? I wonder.

You seem very angry with teachers in general and it comes across more of a personal grudge against some unknown character but all get blamed.

Lillyfae · 18-05-2020 09:01PM

khalessi wrote: »

I think in that thread you come across very poorly Fringe and continue to do so. You have a very big chip on your shoulder about something and seems teachers is where you are aiming it at.

With this post you’re not coming across too well either Khalessi. Attack the post and all that. What she’s been saying is not everyone is working as hard as you say they are. Other people have made fair points on both sides, and you are jumping on any criticism of teachers whatsoever. It’s got a ring of eotr about it.

On the other hand the above post makes me think that Mary I must be programming teachers instead of training them because I can actually read it in the voices of a couple of teachers I know

History Queen · 18-05-2020 09:01PM

khalessi wrote: »

I think that is what we could be looking at. Groups of kids coming in one a day a week and then online learning for the rest/ It is going to be a nightmare to organise but we will get there.

I hope that proper training and equipment (for both teachers and students) are provided if so, to help bridge the gap of access that some of us are stuggling with at the moment.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 18-05-2020 09:08PM

TheValeyard wrote: »

You seem very angry with teachers in general and it comes across more of a personal grudge against some unknown character but all get blamed.

Not at all, I've acknowledged several times some teachers doing a fantastic job going well above and beyond. Some are adapting very well to the situation.

Some posters on the teachers forum seem to have a great distaste for parents.

A lot of posters won't even entertain the idea of schools reopening. I'm simply pointing out that if teachers think that come September they can expect to be still fully paid at home then they need a reality check, the economy is not pretty right now.

People are working and have been working throughout, kids are mixing now and teachers won't get a special dispensation because of something something........

khalessi · 18-05-2020 09:16PM

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

People are working and have been working throughout, kids are mixing now and teachers won't get a special dispensation because of something something........

Why do you assume teachers want a special dispensation? I see teachers trying to talk about how to reopen schools.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 09:22PM

Lillyfae wrote: »

With this post you’re not coming across too well either Khalessi. Attack the post and all that. What she’s been saying is not everyone is working as hard as you say they are. Other people have made fair points on both sides, and you are jumping on any criticism of teachers whatsoever. It’s got a ring of eotr about it.

On the other hand the above post makes me think that Mary I must be programming teachers instead of training them because I can actually read it in the voices of a couple of teachers I know

Good thing I didnt train in MAry I then

quick quastion does this

make veiled insults better?

History Queen · 18-05-2020 09:25PM

History Queen wrote: »

I hope that proper training and equipment (for both teachers and students) are provided if so, to help bridge the gap of access that some of us are stuggling with at the moment.

^I've just seen on Twitter that principals are being surveyed by the NAPD about their particular school situation. Hopefully something positive comes from it.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 09:27PM

History Queen wrote: »

^I've just seen on Twitter that principals are being surveyed by the NAPD about their particular school situation. Hopefully something positive comes from it.

Sounds interesting I hope they do a school survey and get teachers opinions/

I filled out something similar for primary and it ended up being used to plan a course for teachers over the summer about online learning

daydorunrun · 18-05-2020 09:29PM

khalessi wrote: »

I probably did and apologies. No being a nurse though does give a better insight then some of the half assed comments on this thread blaming teachers for school closures when it had nothing to do with us. Then blaming us for them not reopening also not to do with teachers.

I think that being in a different country with no input to Irish education does not mean that you now know whats best about education policy either.

There have been in a couple of threads comparisons to nursing and private and being one of the few people who have worked public and private along with being a nurse does give me better insight than the people making the comments.

I think you're wide of the mark there. Can you show me a post that says it was the teachers fault for closing the schools? When the schools closed we were all living in fear of the country going the way of Italy. Since then because people have done well at obeying the restrictions we have flattened the curve and now it seems that kids aren't the 'vectors' they were being painted as 2 months ago. When people come here to muse as to whether schools could reopen in September and even sooner the resident teachers poo poo it. I for one was not necessarily blaming teachers for the schools not reopening rather debating the merits of it so perhaps you've taken a defensive stance.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 09:33PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

I think you're wide of the mark there. Can you show me a post that says it was the teachers fault for closing the schools? When the schools closed we were all living in fear of the country going the way of Italy. Since then because people have done well at obeying the restrictions we have flattened the curve and now it seems that kids aren't the 'vectors' they were being painted as 2 months ago. When people come here to muse as to whether schools could reopen in September and even sooner the resident teachers poo poo it. I for one was not necessarily blaming teachers for the schools not reopening rather debating the merits of it so perhaps you've taken a defensive stance.

Responding to a post is not being defensive I am sure if you read through the thread you will find them, there are lots to choose from. I know it wasnt teachers faults but it constantly implied even in the last week that teachers are keeping the schools closed, when they have no say in the matter. There has also been blame for the leaving cert cancellation all of which s off topic

Lillyfae · 18-05-2020 09:40PM

khalessi wrote: »

quick quastion does this make veiled insults better?

What’s insulting about it? Is it necessary to be 100% serious all the time in this crazy world??

My apologies to Mary I for the scurrilous accusation

r93kaey5p2izun · 18-05-2020 09:41PM

This thread is beginning to read like the mindless bullsh1t beloved of the likes of rollercoaster.

kandr10 · 18-05-2020 10:08PM

It seems that teachers are largely happy to return to the classroom as long as reasonable measures are taken to ensure safety within current guidelines. Current guidelines are quite clear about social distancing. Teachers also have reservations about how social distancing and adequate Sanitisation can be maintained in a school setting.

A small cohort of people on this thread believe that social distancing is no longer necessary and expect teachers to be prepared to do away with it, even though other people in other professions are protected by the government guidelines (businesses can be shut I believe if they are deemed to be non compliant).

Various studies have been quoted on both sides to say that children are vectors, children don’t transmit the disease, children are not badly affected, children can suffer serious consequences if They contract covid. What this shows is that we know nothing!

Unless government guidelines change re social distancing, why should the blame be put on teachers for wanting to stick to it? Why are teachers being blamed for schools not opening when the government has been totally lax in issuing any guidelines as to how to achieve it? They have been similarly negligent in issuing guidelines around crèches and other childcare facilities, including hse run ones!

As far as some teachers doing great work and others not, a lot comes down to the policy of the school. In my own school, the policy is we’re all on the same page and we will progress with online teaching at a pace that suits the entire staff. That meant it took a little longer to get up and running but every staff member had the opportunity to engage with online training to enable us all to deliver content to a reasonable standard. Other schools don’t have such policies clearly. Those people who are saying they don’t have time to email their kids school about their dissatisfaction are missing an opportunity to engage and give feedback. The school could be operating on the assumption that parents are happy with arrangements. If you say nothing, what else have they to go on?

History Queen · 18-05-2020 10:12PM

kandr10 wrote: »

It seems that teachers are largely happy to return to the classroom as long as reasonable measures are taken to ensure safety within current guidelines. Current guidelines are quite clear about social distancing. Teachers also have reservations about how social distancing and adequate Sanitisation can be maintained in a school setting.

A small cohort of people on this thread believe that social distancing is no longer necessary and expect teachers to be prepared to do away with it, even though other people in other professions are protected by the government guidelines (businesses can be shut I believe if they are deemed to be non compliant).

Various studies have been quoted on both sides to say that children are vectors, children don’t transmit the disease, children are not badly affected, children can suffer serious consequences if They contract covid. What this shows is that we know nothing!

Unless government guidelines change re social distancing, why should the blame be put on teachers for wanting to stick to it? Why are teachers being blamed for schools not opening when the government has been totally lax in issuing any guidelines as to how to achieve it? They have been similarly negligent in issuing guidelines around crèches and other childcare facilities, including hse run ones!

As far as some teachers doing great work and others not, a lot comes down to the policy of the school. In my own school, the policy is we’re all on the same page and we will progress with online teaching at a pace that suits the entire staff. That meant it took a little longer to get up and running but every staff member had the opportunity to engage with online training to enable us all to deliver content to a reasonable standard. Other schools don’t have such policies clearly. Those people who are saying they don’t have time to email their kids school about their dissatisfaction are missing an opportunity to engage and give feedback. The school could be operating on the assumption that parents are happy with arrangements. If you say nothing, what else have they to go on?

This thread needed this post badly. It certainly sums up my feelings as a teacher very accurately.

CruelSummer · 18-05-2020 10:16PM

kandr10 wrote: »

It seems that teachers are largely happy to return to the classroom as long as reasonable measures are taken to ensure safety within current guidelines. Current guidelines are quite clear about social distancing. Teachers also have reservations about how social distancing and adequate Sanitisation can be maintained in a school setting.

A small cohort of people on this thread believe that social distancing is no longer necessary and expect teachers to be prepared to do away with it, even though other people in other professions are protected by the government guidelines (businesses can be shut I believe if they are deemed to be non compliant).

Various studies have been quoted on both sides to say that children are vectors, children don’t transmit the disease, children are not badly affected, children can suffer serious consequences if They contract covid. What this shows is that we know nothing!

Unless government guidelines change re social distancing, why should the blame be put on teachers for wanting to stick to it? Why are teachers being blamed for schools not opening when the government has been totally lax in issuing any guidelines as to how to achieve it? They have been similarly negligent in issuing guidelines around crèches and other childcare facilities, including hse run ones!

As far as some teachers doing great work and others not, a lot comes down to the policy of the school. In my own school, the policy is we’re all on the same page and we will progress with online teaching at a pace that suits the entire staff. That meant it took a little longer to get up and running but every staff member had the opportunity to engage with online training to enable us all to deliver content to a reasonable standard. Other schools don’t have such policies clearly. Those people who are saying they don’t have time to email their kids school about their dissatisfaction are missing an opportunity to engage and give feedback. The school could be operating on the assumption that parents are happy with arrangements. If you say nothing, what else have they to go on?

I do not support social distancing at Primary level. At least we have time to buy before September, but if the numbers are good we have no justification for it and it will severely damage children's mental health, their development and their school experience - perhaps permanently.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 18-05-2020 10:18PM

Luckily we will have the benefit of seeing the outcomes of other European schools some of which are reopened nearly a month now.

We'll have the advantage of advance knowledge, what works and what doesn't.

Looking at the schools that are in operation currently there seems to be a combination of social distancing, smaller classes, staggered start times/breaks and some are even going as far as testing all students twice a week so those who test negative can carry on as normal. Personally my children will not be returning to school to social distance etc etc.

If case and death rates here keep dropping overall like they have been (there was a massive swathe of healthcare workers tested in the last week so there are going to be 'spikes' along the way) then I don't think we will need to worry about any extreme measures come September and there won't be any reason why schools can't open normally or as close to normal.

If plan goes accordingly people will be able to travel and go to the pub late August and measures will be just for optics at that stage.

jrosen · 18-05-2020 10:28PM

For me im more interested in why the need to social distance in September when by August we will have come out from phase 5. Every other aspect of our childrens lives will be back to normal. Sports, parents back to work. Creches open. If things continue on the slope they are now there would need to be some really strong arguments to continue with strict measures in school where kids are missing out on their education.

But we do have the benefit of watching other counties.

khalessi · 18-05-2020 10:36PM

jrosen wrote: »

For me im more interested in why the need to social distance in September when by August we will have come out from phase 5. Every other aspect of our childrens lives will be back to normal. Sports, parents back to work. Creches open. If things continue on the slope they are now there would need to be some really strong arguments to continue with strict measures in school where kids are missing out on their education.

But we do have the benefit of watching other counties.

I think maybe it is because this virus is going to be with us for a long while and it is one way to deal with and get the children back to school. It could also be hopefully a precaution put in place but not needed. And lastly maybe it is being considered in case we dont make it to stage 5, as we have to go back a stage.

How will schools be able to go back in September?

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