Masks

cnocbui · 11-05-2020 04:03PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Decent enough prices and you can reuse the n95's

When you take it off put it in a bag and don't touch it for a week

Spray it with water, put it in the bag and seal it, put it in the microwave for 40 seconds, and you won't have to wait a week.

Alternatively, you can put it in an oven at 60-80° for half an hour and that will do it. The virus needs to be in moisture.

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 04:08PM

No: other

Make sure it doesn't have a metal bridge for sculpting to your nose before putting in the microwave.

is_that_so · 11-05-2020 04:09PM

No: other

owlbethere wrote: »

Reading this, it reads as if it's not compulsory. Our government may follow and to be honest, it's not good enough.

Wear a mask only if you wish if social distancing isn't possible.

From some links posted, there's virus being expelled through breath and talking alone. If you were caught in the middle of two people shouting across at each other from their metres apart, you could potentially end up in an invisible virus cloud, if one of them is infected.

They have said, if advised, it will not be mandatory. Can't say I've ever been in your what if scenario. What are the odds of being infected that way?

cnocbui · 11-05-2020 04:09PM

Manion wrote: »

Yes, I have two of them. Not sure I get your point. I specifically stated I was NOT referencing respirators or other medical/industrial rated masks but rather community masks. I went on to state that respirators are designed and rated to protect you. Perhaps a pre-cursor to cogent thought would be basic reading.

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Not in reply to my post, you didn't, and I asked if you had worked while wearing one, not if you had one in your trophy cabinet. Thanks; imitation being the sincerest form of flattery

Manion · 11-05-2020 04:22PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Not in reply to my post, you didn't, and I asked if you had worked while wearing one, not if you had one in your trophy cabinet. Thanks; imitation being the sincerest form of flattery

You've yet to explain your point of working while wearing one? Does this give the respirator a powerup? Mine already have the go faster stripes.

Thank you for the posts however, it really illustrated the point I made a few days ago that people cannot distinguish between HSE and medical experts talking about the protection provided by basic disposable masks and medical or industrial certified masks designed to protect the wearer. Even when the point was made clearly 3 posts before yours, you still missed it. But sure we can't be expecting people to read what was actually said or inform themselves before sharing their hot takes.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 04:25PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They have said, if advised, it will not be mandatory. Can't say I've ever been in your what if scenario. What are the odds of being infected that way?

I was caught in this situation twice during the past week. One in work and one in a shop.

I don't know what the odds are of being infected in such a way.

I do think people are getting too relaxed about not keeping the two metres apart. I had someone come up and breath down my neck in the shop the other day. I swear to do god. I had to pull back because she was too wreck less to keep her distance.

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 04:33PM

No: other

Neck breathers?

is_that_so · 11-05-2020 04:49PM

No: other

owlbethere wrote: »

I was caught in this situation twice during the past week. One in work and one in a shop.

I don't know what the odds are of being infected in such a way.

I do think people are getting too relaxed about not keeping the two metres apart. I had someone come up and breath down my neck in the shop the other day. I swear to do god. I had to pull back because she was too wreck less to keep her distance.

TBH I'd challenge that myself in a shop, but rapid passing in a shop or on a narrow path outside I'm inclined to see the risk as minute and even in that work situation I wouldn't be concerned.

Sam Hain · 11-05-2020 05:40PM

No: other

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Haven't checked this thread in awhile so two questions;

- Best place to now order online that offers best balance of (in order of importance) quality, price and delivery time

- Are people wearing them for outside walks where it's easier to social distance or are they pretty unneccesary in this situation? As long as there's social distancing of course. Walk would be 2-3 hours or thereabouts

A 3 hour walk, really?

RugbyLad11 · 11-05-2020 05:52PM

Manion wrote: »

Well it's hard for a company to compete against some lad on social media selling them out of the back of a car. I'm sure you got a VAT receipt with your purchase.

Yes, I have two of them. Not sure I get your point. I specifically stated I was NOT referencing respirators or other medical/industrial rated masks but rather community masks. I went on to state that respirators are designed and rated to protect you. Perhaps a pre-cursor to cogent thought would be basic reading.

Yes, that is why I said in the section you quoted that this is the HSE position.

True but he is also factoring in the cost of shipping the mask for China while also making a profit

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 06:20PM

https://www.fast.ai/2020/04/20/skeptics-masks/#mightnt-people-handle-their-masks-wrong-and-make-things-worse

I don't know if this was posted earlier. Its about the benefits of masks.

This bit here stands out for me about masks.

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 07:04PM

Yes: surgical

cnocbui wrote: »

Spray it with water, put it in the bag and seal it, put it in the microwave for 40 seconds, and you won't have to wait a week.

Alternatively, you can put it in an oven at 60-80° for half an hour and that will do it. The virus needs to be in moisture.

Source on that? And wont a bag melt in a microwave?

There's so many conflicting opinions on masks, both on here and elsewhere in the media

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 07:11PM

Yes: valved

Extract below from the horses mouth.

RTE doing a little brainstorm test run, shame about the non Irish footage.

Basically RTE are saying they think it is okay for the State to delay advising or recommmending masks for the public until the State has stock piled enough for themselves.

RTE - Brainstorm:

Clearly, PPE supply and use by healthcare workers needs to be prioritised and protected, therefore, it would be imprudent of the government to recommend the use of surgical face masks in public, in the absence of a stable supply chain. However, in recent days the HSE advised that adequate PPE supplies to meet current demands have been sourced. They have also moved to broaden guidance on the use of surgical masks by all healthcare workers in all healthcare settings when providing care to patients within two meters of a patient. Can we expect to hear more from the HSE around the expanded use of face masks in the community as a public health measure?

Colibri · 11-05-2020 07:16PM

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

Extract below from the horses mouth.

RTE doing a little brainstorm test run, shame about the non Irish footage.

Basically RTE are saying they think it is okay for the State to delay advising or recommmending masks for the public until the State has stock piled enough for themselves.

RTE - Brainstorm:

Meanwhile new cases each day, and the economy is dying.

The state has a lot to answer for.

Masks & other measures = virus on its knees = economy has a better chance.

Boggles · 11-05-2020 08:10PM

Dr Holohan also said they continue to give some consideration to the question of masks. He said again that they do see a role for facial coverings, not healthcare grade masks and there will be guidelines issued to the public on how they can find, use and make masks to use in certain settings

Jesus, it's like trying to get an old diesel van started on a frosty morning.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 08:14PM

A study from Japan about droplets:

https://youtu.be/H2azcn7MqOU

McGiver · 11-05-2020 08:43PM

No: I don't care enough

drunkmonkey wrote: »

The graphic assumes your not keeping your distance and somebody coughs directly into your face. You shouldn't put yourself in that position. Masks on their own do not prevent the spread of coronavirus. If they did we wouldn't be looking for a vaccine or cure.
The original advice is still the best for stopping the spread. They should add to it and say don't look people in the face in a pandemic. You don't want to be in the firing line of a sneeze or cough.
Your eyes aren't protected with a mask and it can enter through them. It also hangs around on a mask so your constantly breathing it in.
There really only for medical high risk settings and there's no evidence of that being Lidl or Aldi.

They do not prevent the spread. Nobody claims that. It reduces spread and that so significantly. Even if you're in line in a cough/sneeze/breath as opposed to be in line with no mask.

Preventing spread would need a nanofibre filter inside, perfect fit, perfect putting on, perfect removal, perfect discipline etc. There's some gap here, some there and it's cumulative, you can never get 100% protection. But overall even if you get to 60-70% effectiveness that's better than 0% - much lower viral load. On population level it makes a huge difference, it reduces the spread.

Vaccine is needed to get away with masks, social distancing, and lockdowns to get to normality not because of masks don't work...

I was in Lidl the other day and was as bad as hospital. 70 people inside, not respecting distancing at all, coughing etc, it's a risk environment!

McGiver · 11-05-2020 08:53PM

No: I don't care enough

owlbethere wrote: »

From some links posted, there's virus being expelled through breath and talking alone. If you were caught in the middle of two people shouting across at each other from their metres apart, you could potentially end up in an invisible virus cloud, if one of them is infected.

Correct. Not potentially - you'd be in a virus cloud....

McGiver · 11-05-2020 09:02PM

No: I don't care enough

Boggles wrote: »

Jesus, it's like trying to get an old diesel van started on a frosty morning.

But it's a progress. It was a diesel engine with no diesel in the tank. Now the diesel is in the tank but it's frozen...

Can you link the article where this was published?

khalessi · 11-05-2020 09:03PM

Yes: surgical

Received some lovely masks in the post today from Bobbyb Elegant creations, wore them to Tesco, nice fit and comfortable to wear.

brendanwalsh · 11-05-2020 09:04PM

Yes: other

Wearing my mask routinely out now. Will have no shame wearing it. Masks for all is coming, once they have a large enough supply to cover health care workers for the next few months.

Colibri · 11-05-2020 09:09PM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

But it's a progress. It was a diesel engine with no diesel in the tank. Now the diesel is in the tank but it's frozen...

Can you link the article where this was published?

This might be good?

https://twitter.com/ShaneBeattyNews/status/1259935400338108417

Shane Beatty is often one of the reporters at the briefings.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 09:11PM

I bought a fabric/reusable face mask from etsy. It's cotton with a filter a pocket. I gave it a wash last week and it dried. With the news from England about a requirement for masks in certain situations, I think Ireland will be going down the same path.

I decided to try on my mask. Just to see how it would feel. I then decided to wear it around the house for a few minutes like wearing it going to the jacks.

I'm not going to lie. It's actually a little bit of a heavy wear and I don't have any filter in it yet. It would be OK to put it on outside a shop, and motor around a shop but that's about it. It would be very hard to wear on a bus especially on a hot day. On a wet, humid day as well would be another time where it will be hard to wear on a bus.

The mask is a bit warm. I got about 10 minutes wear from it before I had to take it off my face.

Colibri · 11-05-2020 09:13PM

Yes: valved

owlbethere wrote: »

I bought a fabric/reusable face mask from etsy. It's cotton with a filter a pocket. I gave it a wash last week and it dried. With the news from England about a requirement for masks in certain situations, I think Ireland will be going down the same path.

I decided to try on my mask. Just to see how it would feel. I then decided to wear it around the house for a few minutes like wearing it going to the jacks.

I'm not going to lie. It's actually a little bit of a heavy wear and I don't have any filter in it yet. It would be OK to put it on outside a shop, and motor around a shop but that's about it. It would be very hard to wear on a bus especially on a hot day. On a wet, humid day as well would be another time where it will be hard to wear on a bus.

The mask is a bit warm. I got about 10 minutes wear from it before I had to take it off my face.

That can be one downside. What is it made from?

I have made a cotton one and it feels fantastic, could wear it all day.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 09:26PM

Colibri wrote: »

That can be one downside. What is it made from?

I have made a cotton one and it feels fantastic, could wear it all day.

It's a cotton mask. It looks like a muslin cotton material but I could be wrong. I got 25 minutes out from wearing it and I had to pull it off my face.

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 09:31PM

Yes: surgical

From Reddit

This poster usually has a sensible head

If you have 70% ethanol/IPA, you can spray it over the mask and it can be re-used. I know that you can also "boil" the material masks, but I'm not sure how a mask like that would hold up

Thoughts?

railer201 · 11-05-2020 09:37PM

Yes: valved

Claire Byrne doing a bit on masks at half ten tonight - making a mask out of a tea towel. No further details, it was a very brief announcement after the news.

Do we take it something is starting to move r/e the public being advised to wear masks / face coverings ?

Arrival · 11-05-2020 09:40PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I bought a fabric/reusable face mask from etsy. It's cotton with a filter a pocket. I gave it a wash last week and it dried. With the news from England about a requirement for masks in certain situations, I think Ireland will be going down the same path.

I decided to try on my mask. Just to see how it would feel. I then decided to wear it around the house for a few minutes like wearing it going to the jacks.

I'm not going to lie. It's actually a little bit of a heavy wear and I don't have any filter in it yet. It would be OK to put it on outside a shop, and motor around a shop but that's about it. It would be very hard to wear on a bus especially on a hot day. On a wet, humid day as well would be another time where it will be hard to wear on a bus.

The mask is a bit warm. I got about 10 minutes wear from it before I had to take it off my face.

At least you have one mask sorted for the time being, as time goes on and the situation with availability improves you'll hopefully be able to secure a more comfortable one

khalessi · 11-05-2020 09:48PM

Yes: surgical

Holohan just saying major part of tomorrows NPHET meeting on masks

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 09:54PM

Arrival wrote: »

At least you have one mask sorted for the time being, as time goes on and the situation with availability improves you'll hopefully be able to secure a more comfortable one

The mask was comfortable. It has a nose wire for moulding on the bridge of the nose. The ear straps didn't hurt. It was relatively comfortable but it felt warm and heavy on the face.

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