Masks

railer201 · 10-05-2020 09:40AM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

Ha! I haven't noticed this...

WTF?

Indeed, however it does say in the opening paragraphs that the purpose of it is to 'assist the government' in deciding the way forward and it's a 'living flexible' document. Either they're advising on face cloth coverings or not - Oh wait a minute -' that was just illustrative' - mad stuff.

Tipperary animal lover · 10-05-2020 09:44AM

Yes: homemade

Stark wrote: »

Bought 5 surgical masks for 9 euro in Supervalu yesterday.

Good article from the Atlantic on the potential benefits of wearing them: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/dont-wear-mask-yourself/610336/

Of course, if they're too successful then certain people can't have their forevah lockdown.

I offered to bring home surgical masks from vietnam at a €1 a mask( the vietnamese where way over charging westerners but when needs most) and got pm from a few people claiming i was trying to scam people, i was only trying to help out and people are gonna pay higher prices for them now and happy to do so

Away With The Fairies · 10-05-2020 09:47AM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

This document is a flipping joke. The unions should sink it. Haven't heard unions calling for masks - they absolutely should.

Some funny things from the document - cleaning of surfaces at the workplace, no handshakes, no sharing of mugs and bottles.... Are they for real?

I'm just mad at the whole thing... They know how it spreads. Coughs, sneezes and talking.

They are encouraging respiratory etiquette and getting businesses to provide tissues and all that...

And they are doing nothing for the talking part. Where people do leave behind aerosols that just lingers in the air.

Surely business has a duty to everybody for health and safety... They can have all the measures in place. But what about customers, one customer after another getting into the same space that another infected customer has been.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that everybody needs masks/face coverings.

McGiver · 10-05-2020 10:17AM

No: I don't care enough

railer201 wrote: »

Indeed, however it does say in the opening paragraphs that the purpose of it is to 'assist the government' in deciding the way forward and it's a 'living flexible' document. Either they're advising on face cloth coverings or not - Oh wait a minute -' that was just illustrative' - mad stuff.

How the f* can be a guidance document illustrative?

owlbethere · 10-05-2020 10:28AM

Stark wrote: »

Bought 5 surgical masks for 9 euro in Supervalu yesterday.

Good article from the Atlantic on the potential benefits of wearing them: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/04/dont-wear-mask-yourself/610336/

Of course, if they're too successful then certain people can't have their forevah lockdown.

5 disposable masks for 9 euro is a scandalous price. It really is. Especially considering a pack of 14 fanny pads can be about 3 or 4 euro.

I'm definitely going down the route of reusable/cloth/fabric masks.

railer201 · 10-05-2020 10:36AM

Yes: valved

McGiver wrote: »

How the f* can be a guidance document illustrative?

There you go - another 'Yes Minister' master stroke of ass covering - if you've ever watched the series on TV. But you're right, it makes a nonsense of the document.

Bob24 · 10-05-2020 10:47AM

owlbethere wrote: »

5 disposable masks for 9 euro is a scandalous price. It really is. Especially considering a pack of 14 fanny pads can be about 3 or 4 euro.

I'm definitely going down the route of reusable/cloth/fabric masks.

Availability is improving and prices will go lower soon I think.

Someone I know in France told me that over there it is now possible to get a box of 50 surgical masks at the supermarket for 30 euros (I understand most places have an online system to reserve the mask and you can only get one box per visit). It still is very expensive compared to what it used to be 6 months ago, but IMO it is rather reasonable given the situation and a sign that supply is improving.

Seanergy · 10-05-2020 11:49AM

Yes: valved

owlbethere · 10-05-2020 12:32PM

I was browsing around etsy and there's an Irish shop/sewer with some masks on her page. She currently has 30% off, from her masks. They were 9.99 and now 6.99. She also has some children's masks for 4.90. It's good value if anyone wants to snap up some fabric masks at a reasonable price. Like looking at etsy there are other masks for €10+. The etsy shop name is JoannaAguiardDesign. Her masks are described as 100% cotton with filter pocket. Discount is running for another 35 hours. Just leaving it here if anyone is interested.

dfx- · 10-05-2020 09:16PM

No: other

Boggles wrote: »

I guarantee you, in the not too distant future you will have another of Boris's advisors explaining to the British public that if they are caught on the tube without a mask they will be issued a fine.

Feel free to bookmark this post.

The reason the UK are experiencing 1000+ deaths a day and have collapsed large swathes of their emergency medical care is because their "scientists" diluted science with politics.

It never ever works.

Two and a half weeks later now, he's starting on 'encouraging people to work' and not yet on mask fines.

Boggles · 10-05-2020 09:23PM

dfx- wrote: »

Two and a half weeks later now, he's starting on 'encouraging people to work' and not yet on mask fines.

And?

Boggles · 10-05-2020 09:30PM

Bojo's solution for people getting to work tommorow.

We want it to be safe for you to get to work.

So you should avoid public transport if at all possible

carolmon · 10-05-2020 09:47PM

owlbethere wrote: »

5 disposable masks for 9 euro is a scandalous price. It really is. Especially considering a pack of 14 fanny pads can be about 3 or 4 euro.

I'm definitely going down the route of reusable/cloth/fabric masks.

fanny pads.... really? What age are you 12?

Wibbs · 10-05-2020 10:21PM

Yes: other

carolmon wrote: »

fanny pads.... really? What age are you 12?

Though he has a point too C. In many ways sanitary towels are a more complex item with more components going on, when compared to a surgical mask.

Jim_Hodge · 10-05-2020 10:47PM

Yes: homemade

Wibbs wrote: »

Though he has a point too C. In many ways sanitary towels are a more complex item with more components going on, when compared to a surgical mask.

At least you're mature enough to call them sanitary towels.

Eugenia Iliopoulou · 10-05-2020 10:53PM

I made one and I wear it everywhere I go. The pharmacies have them on stock now.

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 12:32AM

Yes: surgical

Haven't checked this thread in awhile so two questions;

- Best place to now order online that offers best balance of (in order of importance) quality, price and delivery time

- Are people wearing them for outside walks where it's easier to social distance or are they pretty unneccesary in this situation? As long as there's social distancing of course. Walk would be 2-3 hours or thereabouts

Arrival · 11-05-2020 01:00AM

owlbethere wrote: »

The thread is huge.

Can you point me to 2 or 3 good links qfor the wearing of masks in public. I will pin a written piece sometime today to my local TDs Facebook page and direct him to some links.

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20200504-coronavirus-what-is-the-best-kind-of-face-mask?ocid=fbfut&fbclid=IwAR1B_vb2ghLDZCl9WmZkzLrnLaOcVGsPozMF2RZCRd2yvtDJdYU_4Oe24PI&referer=https%3A%2F%2Fl.facebook.com%2F

Here's one brilliant article about it all

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 11:49AM

Yes: valved

Excellent article in yesterday's IT : France pays a high price for ignoring those who predicted a pandemic.

It covers the actions of the Inspectorate General of the Administration (IGA) and Health offical's from the wake of the 2003 Sars epidemic right through to present day politics.

Fifteen years ago, the IGA advised the French government to prepare stocks of masks “without delay”. The country should also stock anti-viral drugs and pre-position machines in textile factories to manufacture the highest quality FFP2 surgical face masks, the report said.

Face masks are most effective when worn by carriers of a virus. But as a French parliamentary report noted in May 2005, making masks available is “a way of reassuring the population” that can “help to limit paralysis of the country”.

Bachelot was accused of squandering €1 billion in public funds for what turned out to be a false alarm. The National Assembly, Senate and state auditor held inquiries into what was regarded as a wasteful vaccination campaign, the “principle of precaution” gone mad.

“When the **** hit the fan it was so violent,” Bachelot told Le Monde. “I found myself completely alone, without a single supporter . . . After what happened to me, politicians said it was riskier to do too much than too little.”

The 2.2 billion stockpile of masks was reduced to 714 million in 1017, I don't know what it was in 2020 but my point is this.

Money and masks and politics aside, the current French government still adopted all the measures that arouse from the 2006 IGA report.

Official French policy since January 2006 has been to encourage the wearing of masks during a pandemic. Infected persons are to wear surgical masks to protect their entourage. Medical personnel are to wear FFP2 masks to avoid catching the disease. And the general public are instructed to wear a disinfected surgical or fabric mask in public “as a precaution”.

Just for the record the HSE stance on masks as of today MAY 11th 2020 is that:

Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

Manion · 11-05-2020 12:06PM

Manion wrote: »

If people are looking for basic textile masks still you can find them on zalando: They have have a few different types available in Ireland (more in Germany) but they keep going in and out of stock. If you're interested you can subscribe for notifications.

https://www.zalando.ie/evenandodd-5-pack-community-mask-light-blue-ev451e02r-k11.html

https://www.zalando.ie/zign-3-pack-community-mask-blackdark-bluewhite-zi151e00g-q11.html

https://www.zalando.ie/zign-3-pack-community-mask-black-zi151e00g-q12.html

https://www.zalando.ie/zign-3-pack-community-mask-white-zi151e00g-a11.html

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Haven't checked this thread in awhile so two questions;

- Best place to now order online that offers best balance of (in order of importance) quality, price and delivery time

- Are people wearing them for outside walks where it's easier to social distance or are they pretty unneccesary in this situation? As long as there's social distancing of course. Walk would be 2-3 hours or thereabouts

I posted this a few days ago but it got lost in the noise. This thread was once useful.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 12:16PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Excellent article in yesterday's IT : France pays a high price for ignoring those who predicted a pandemic.

It covers the actions of the Inspectorate General of the Administration (IGA) and Health offical's from the wake of the 2003 Sars epidemic right through to present day politics.

The 2.2 billion stockpile of masks was reduced to 714 million in 1017, I don't know what it was in 2020 but my point is this.

Money and masks and politics aside, the current French government still adopted all the measures that arouse from the 2006 IGA report.

Just for the record the HSE stance on masks as of today MAY 11th 2020 is that:

Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

What absolute codswallop from the HSE.

How about people being infectious before symptoms appear? We are living with restrictions but when restrictions are eased, the growth of the virus will take off again.

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 12:32PM

Yes: valved

owlbethere wrote: »

What absolute codswallop from the HSE.

How about people being infectious before symptoms appear? We are living with restrictions but when restrictions are eased, the growth of the virus will take off again.

Indeed it is and it will, unfortunately we still have doctors and HCW scrambling for a half used/maybe contaminated/maybe not mask in all sorts of settings nationwide due to HSE planning. Today's IT article HSE under pressure to fast-track ways to make single-use PPE reusable up to 20 times.

Meanwhile in Europe: Educational animations are circulating as emergency measures are gradually being lifted....

It's like we are back in the dark days, looking around at others, paralyzed, in a trance of no action, caught in the middle of the ould triangle of the new America, Britain and Europe. We are going backwards right now.

RugbyLad11 · 11-05-2020 12:40PM

Manion wrote: »

I posted this a few days ago but it got lost in the noise. This thread was once useful.

1 euro for a disposable surgical mask is robbery

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 01:12PM

Yes: surgical

Manion wrote: »

I posted this a few days ago but it got lost in the noise. This thread was once useful.

Thanks for the links. Most of them are sold out though bar the basic, disposable ones

This is written on all of them too

Important information

This item is not a surgical or respiratory mask, nor is it personal protective equipment or a medical device. This item is for private use only and it is not suitable for medical use or for occupational safety. No protection against infections.

Are they just saying the last bit to cover all legal bases?

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

1 euro for a disposable surgical mask is robbery

You need it once and for one journey, maybe a few hours? That's still a third the price of many cafe coffees

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 01:14PM

Yes: surgical

PS

Any more thoughts on this?

Are people wearing them for outside walks where it's easier to social distance or are they pretty unneccesary in this situation? As long as there's social distancing of course. Walk would be 2-3 hours or thereabouts

And any more links on good sellers? The majority of the good masks on zalando.ie are sold out

McGiver · 11-05-2020 01:22PM

No: I don't care enough

Seanergy wrote: »

Just for the record the HSE stance on masks as of today MAY 11th 2020 is that:
Wearing a mask is unlikely to be of any benefit if you are not sick.

Can you link it?

ChelseaRentBoy · 11-05-2020 01:25PM

Yes: surgical

owlbethere wrote: »

What absolute codswallop from the HSE.

How about people being infectious before symptoms appear? We are living with restrictions but when restrictions are eased, the growth of the virus will take off again.

Every day that passes without mandatory mask wearing being enforced means businesses will have to wait longer to reopen as our numbers remain stubbornly high. Masks work.

McGiver · 11-05-2020 01:38PM

No: I don't care enough

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Every day that passes without mandatory mask wearing being enforced means businesses will have to wait longer to reopen as our numbers remain stubbornly high. Masks work.

It's not only that.

Every day masks are not mandated:
People will die and continue dying
Economy continues to tank
Unemployment rises
Government deficit rises

This literally costs around 300-400m/day of lockdown.

We will all pay that both on human and economical level (austerity, taxes).

Mandating cloth masks costs the government nothing - just print 1 page flyers on telling people how to wear them and telling people how to make cloth masks - send that to every household. That's the only expense. And maybe put it on gov.ie and also do radio and TV ads. Compare that with hundreds of millions lost per day due to lockdown and tanking economy.

carolmon · 11-05-2020 01:39PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Though he has a point too C. In many ways sanitary towels are a more complex item with more components going on, when compared to a surgical mask.

No problem making the point about hygiene products and cost, it's the fanny bit I objected to

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 01:40PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

PS

Any more thoughts on this?

And any more links on good sellers? The majority of the good masks on zalando.ie are sold out

I don't plan on wearing masks when I'm outside walking. I might reconsider going forward:
1) if evidence emerges that it can spread outdoors
2) if I'm in a busy outdoor space like shopping on a busy shop street but that's going to be unlikely for me. I might consider it if I go to a beach and its busy with people.

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