Masks

McGiver · 11-05-2020 01:41PM

No: I don't care enough

So looking at the poll results.

PRO-MASK
38% people care

ANTI-MASK
5% don't care
37% are cowards and sheep
19% are either "don't like being told" or are afraid telling they don't care/are sheep/are cowards

Do I read it right?:cool:

McGiver · 11-05-2020 01:43PM

No: I don't care enough

owlbethere wrote: »

I don't plan on wearing masks when I'm outside walking. I might reconsider going forward:
1) if evidence emerges that it can spread outdoors
2) if I'm in a busy outdoor space like shopping on a busy shop street but that's going to be unlikely for me. I might consider it if I go to a beach and its busy with people.

It can spread outdoors for sure. It did. See the rallies that happened in Spain in March and Italy in February. They were packed though.

Your two points are probably OK, but bear in mind that "social distancing" is largely impossible in urban areas. So #2 makes a lot of sense imho, I'm doing the same, I wouldn't wear mask when I go out and nobody is around, whilst I do when I go to busy places.

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 01:46PM

Yes: surgical

Thoughts on these?

https://www.inishpharmacy.com/p/kn95-respirator-3d-face-mask-5-pack/kn95-mask-5pack

I'm not seeing any mention of protection levels on it

Are they reusable?

Just Google'd the difference between a KN 95 Mask and a N 95 one

In short, N95 masks are the US standards for respirator masks; KN95 masks are the Chinese standards for masks.

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 01:51PM

Yes: surgical

And two more options

I'd trust 3M as a brand above most with masks

https://www.fishersci.ie/shop/products/disposable-particulate-respirator/11713363

https://www.fishersci.ie/shop/products/disposable-particulate-respirator/p-8001321

Delivery time with this company looks uncertain though

Manion · 11-05-2020 02:26PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

1 euro for a disposable surgical mask is robbery

What should they cost? I assume you have insights you'd like to share into supply chains and costs of production.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thanks for the links. Most of them are sold out though bar the basic, disposable ones

This is written on all of them too

Are they just saying the last bit to cover all legal bases?

I think this has been covered a few times. Masks/Community masks should be assumed to offer little or no protection to you from infection. These masks are about preventing you as a carrier of Corona virus from infecting others.

People assuming basic masks protect them and as such perform more risky activities is one of the reasons the HSE has cited for not recommending them. The masks I linked to have no medical or industrial rating

Arrival · 11-05-2020 02:31PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

PS

Any more thoughts on this?

And any more links on good sellers? The majority of the good masks on zalando.ie are sold out

I'd say you'd be grand to not wear one outside for the most part unless you're in a fairly urban areas and would encounter a few people and can't easily avoid them, like crossing the street

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 02:40PM

Manion wrote: »

What should they cost? I assume you have insights you'd like to share into supply chains and costs of production.

I think this has been covered a few times. Masks/Community masks should be assumed to offer little or no protection to you from infection. These masks are about preventing you as a carrier of Corona virus from infecting others.

People assuming basic masks protect them and as such perform more risky activities is one of the reasons the HSE has cited for not recommending them. The masks I linked to have no medical or industrial rating

I don't get this. It says if you wear a mask, it's not going to help protect you from infection but then in the very same line it said it will help you if you're a carrier of the virus to prevent spreading it.

If everyone wore a masks/cloth covering - wouldn't it be two-fold?

RugbyLad11 · 11-05-2020 02:48PM

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thanks for the links. Most of them are sold out though bar the basic, disposable ones

This is written on all of them too

Are they just saying the last bit to cover all legal bases?

You need it once and for one journey, maybe a few hours? That's still a third the price of many cafe coffees

Ah yeah but a few weeks ago you could get a box with 50 surgical masks for under 10e

I got n95 masks for less than one euro each

2u2me · 11-05-2020 02:49PM

owlbethere wrote: »

I don't get this. It says if you wear a mask, it's not going to help protect you from infection but then in the very same line it said it will help you if you're a carrier of the virus to prevent spreading it.

If everyone wore a masks/cloth covering - wouldn't it be two-fold?

I think the allegory of the long spoons is perfectly fitting here.

The story suggests that people have the opportunity to use what they are given (the long spoons in this allegory) to help nourish each other, but the problem, as the author(Haim) points out, lies in how the people treat each other.

Manion · 11-05-2020 02:50PM

owlbethere wrote: »

If everyone wore a masks/cloth covering - wouldn't it be two-fold?

There was a graphic posted several pages back that captured the idea very well. You wearing a basic surgical mask will provide little/no protection to you from infection by others. Someone else wearing a basic surgical mask will protect you from infection from them. This is why the messaging from the HSE has consistently been that they are only of value to people who are infected already.

Respirator masks or other medical/industrial standardized masks on the other hand protect you from other people. Depending on the design they may also protect other people from you.

If everyone wore a mask, yes, everyone would be protected.

khalessi · 11-05-2020 02:53PM

Yes: surgical

Manion wrote: »

There was a graphic posted several pages back that captured the idea very well. You wearing a basic surgical mask will provide little/no protection to you from infection by others. Someone else wearing a basic surgical mask will protect you from infection by others. This is why the messaging from the HSE has consistently been that they are only of value to people who are infected already.

Respirator masks or other medical/industrial standardized masks on the other hand protect you from other people. Depending on the decided they may also protect other people from you.

If everyone wore a mask, yes, everyone would be protected.

This is what should be promoted as everyone will be protected. As the Czechs say, you protect me, I protect you.

Manion · 11-05-2020 02:54PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

Ah yeah but a few weeks ago you could get a box with 50 surgical masks for under 10e

I got n95 masks for less than one euro each

Where did you buy them a few weeks ago for that price? Specifics please. In march you couldn't buy an n95 mask for love nor money so I'd be really keen to know where you could get them so cheaply when no one else could.

cnocbui · 11-05-2020 02:57PM

Masks can help prevent you from being infected with SARS-2.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is incapable of cogent thought.

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 03:02PM

No: other

Manion wrote: »

There was a graphic posted several pages back that captured the idea very well.
If everyone wore a mask, yes, everyone would be protected.

The graphic assumes your not keeping your distance and somebody coughs directly into your face. You shouldn't put yourself in that position. Masks on their own do not prevent the spread of coronavirus. If they did we wouldn't be looking for a vaccine or cure.
The original advice is still the best for stopping the spread. They should add to it and say don't look people in the face in a pandemic. You don't want to be in the firing line of a sneeze or cough.
Your eyes aren't protected with a mask and it can enter through them. It also hangs around on a mask so your constantly breathing it in.
There really only for medical high risk settings and there's no evidence of that being Lidl or Aldi.

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 03:03PM

Yes: valved

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0511/1137615-covid19-coronavirus-uk/UK just changed stance.

Manion · 11-05-2020 03:04PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Masks can help prevent you from being infected with SARS-2.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is incapable of cogent thought.

That's what the manufactures of the masks say. I guess you shouldn't buy products from people incapable of cogent thought.

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 03:07PM

Yes: valved

Seanergy wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0511/1137615-covid19-coronavirus-uk/UK just changed stance.

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 03:09PM

No: other

"where social distancing isn't possible"

cnocbui · 11-05-2020 03:10PM

Manion wrote: »

That's what the manufactures of the masks say. I guess you shouldn't buy products from people incapable of cogent thought.

Have you ever worked, while wearing a respirator?

RugbyLad11 · 11-05-2020 03:12PM

Manion wrote: »

Where did you buy them a few weeks ago for that price? Specifics please. In march you couldn't buy an n95 mask for love nor money so I'd be really keen to know where you could get them so cheaply when no one else could.

I bought them from people in the Chinese in Ireland community group on WeChat

railer201 · 11-05-2020 03:17PM

Yes: valved

Boggles wrote: »

I guarantee you, in the not too distant future you will have another of Boris's advisors explaining to the British public that if they are caught on the tube without a mask they will be issued a fine.

Feel free to bookmark this post.

The reason the UK are experiencing 1000+ deaths a day and have collapsed large swathes of their emergency medical care is because their "scientists" diluted science with politics.

It never ever works.

Seanergy wrote: »

Well done Boggles and you too Seanergy - we have a prophet in our midst.

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 03:18PM

No: other

N95 CE marked masks are €3 got a WhatsApp earlier from a supplier in Dublin, triple layer disposable masks €30 for a box of 50.

2u2me · 11-05-2020 03:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They should add to it and say don't look people in the face in a pandemic. You don't want to be in the firing line of a sneeze or cough.

This is one big thing I noticed living in Thailand. It just wouldn't happen there, when I returned to Ireland I started to notice it all the time, most people in Ireland have no problem coughing/sneezing in your direction, covered or not.

Seanergy · 11-05-2020 03:32PM

Yes: valved

Manion wrote: »

I think this has been covered a few times.

People assuming basic masks protect them and as such perform more risky activities is one of the reasons the HSE has cited for not recommending them.

I think this has been covered already, that is purely HSE opinion, HSE has no scientific evidence regarding public behaviour and risk compensation when it comes to COVID-19.

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Thoughts on these?

https://www.inishpharmacy.com/p/kn95-respirator-3d-face-mask-5-pack/kn95-mask-5pack

I'm not seeing any mention of protection levels on it

Are they reusable?

Cheeper prices available locally, but hey beggars cant be choosers. If you are going to buy KN95's which we are being asked to reserve for HCW's don't go throwing them away after 1 use. HCW's all around the country are swappping and reusing them.

McGiver wrote: »

So looking at the poll results.

PRO-MASK
38% people care

ANTI-MASK
5% don't care
37% are cowards and sheep
19% are either "don't like being told" or are afraid telling they don't care/are sheep/are cowards

Do I read it right?

Pretty much, but it's the 19% thats the wierd number. + be also part of the anti vaccine/1 world order theoriest's?

McGiver wrote: »

Can you link it?

They just moved the content to a different page, same message though.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

N95 CE marked masks are €3 got a WhatsApp earlier from a supplier in Dublin, triple layer disposable masks €30 for a box of 50.

When you say triple layer disposable masks 30 yoyo for box of 50, you do mean surgical masks and not 3 ply N95's?

RugbyLad11 · 11-05-2020 03:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

N95 CE marked masks are €3 got a WhatsApp earlier from a supplier in Dublin, triple layer disposable masks €30 for a box of 50.

Decent enough prices and you can reuse the n95's

When you take it off put it in a bag and don't touch it for a week

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 03:40PM

No: other

Seanergy wrote: »

When you say triple layer disposable masks 30 yoyo for box of 50, you do mean surgical masks and not 3 ply N95's?

I'd feel safer keeping my distance tbh...

ShineOn7 · 11-05-2020 03:43PM

Yes: surgical

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I'd feel safer keeping my distance tbh...

Yep

Bit Delboy aren't they?

drunkmonkey · 11-05-2020 03:50PM

No: other

Wouldn't trust anything from China there milking this, paid way over the odds for thermometer earlier, marked as packaged in China in March 2020, I can't get it to take the same tempature twice, and this is the kinda equipment I've to enforce HSE guidelines with. It's a bad joke.
I can only imagine the crap the HSE originally bought.

owlbethere · 11-05-2020 03:55PM

Seanergy wrote: »

Reading this, it reads as if it's not compulsory. Our government may follow and to be honest, it's not good enough.

Wear a mask only if you wish if social distancing isn't possible.

From some links posted, there's virus being expelled through breath and talking alone. If you were caught in the middle of two people shouting across at each other from their metres apart, you could potentially end up in an invisible virus cloud, if one of them is infected.

Manion · 11-05-2020 04:00PM

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

I bought them from people in the Chinese in Ireland community group on WeChat

Well it's hard for a company to compete against some lad on social media selling them out of the back of a car. I'm sure you got a VAT receipt with your purchase.

cnocbui wrote: »

Have you ever worked, while wearing a respirator?

Yes, I have two of them. Not sure I get your point. I specifically stated I was NOT referencing respirators or other medical/industrial rated masks but rather community masks. I went on to state that respirators are designed and rated to protect you. Perhaps a pre-cursor to cogent thought would be basic reading.

Seanergy wrote: »

I think this has been covered already, that is purely HSE opinion, HSE has no scientific evidence regarding public behaviour and risk compensation when it comes to COVID-19.

Yes, that is why I said in the section you quoted that this is the HSE position.

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