Relaxation of restrictions Part II

snowcat · 07-05-2020 08:33PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The world and posters on here, has been conditioned to always obey society's P.C standards. Those P.C standards prevent the difficult questions being asked due to some rhetoric every life is vital or throw the elderly under the bus.
The bottom line is, we can't say with any confidence if anyone who died with Covid would be alive today if Covid didn't exist. Death is a reality, for every age, everyday of every year.

Our only child (5) who is going mad met her neighbour (4) accidentally on the street and the 2 of them were uncontrollable with joy at being allowed to meet. Hearthbreaking to have to break them up over the 'virus'. And in our county we had 0 (zero) new cases of Covid-19

At this stage there should really be a county by county approach as the vast problem seems to be Dublin and Cork. There is not a nationwide response to this as the USA Spain and Italy has worked out, Population centers and epicenters need to be locked down. Not non risk areas

retro:electro · 07-05-2020 08:47PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Treatment is being delayed because of lack of screening though, that’s the problem.
I can only speak for the Cervical Check/Colposcopy clinics as I am a long term patient there, I have colposcopies performed every 4-6 months to ensure my precancerous cells haven’t mutated into cancerous ones. My appointments have been cancelled until further notice.
Before any naysayers accuse me of lying, I have posted about this here for a number of years.

Now I understand that appointments for treatment of confirmed cancer are still going ahead, albeit they are extremely delayed. One lady I know has had her treatment delayed until August, due to reduced staff availability & new social distancing procedures.... By which time her cancer could be terminal for all she knows.
But the delay in screening and diagnosis is unacceptable.
And if it’s happening with cervical cancer, an area of the health system that has received heavy criticism and scrutiny over the last few years, I can only imagine what’s happening with other cancers.

This is going to cost lives, don’t doubt it.

I honestly don’t know what to say to this. This makes me so fcuking angry. And the bit in bold.. if this was a member of my family, woe betide anyone in government who stood over this decision. Disgraceful. Fcuking monkeys in charge.

JoeA3 · 07-05-2020 08:55PM

snowcat wrote: »

Our only child (5) who is going mad met her neighbour (4) accidentally on the street and the 2 of them were uncontrollable with joy at being allowed to meet. Hearthbreaking to have to break them up over the 'virus'. And in our county we had 0 (zero) new cases of Covid-19

At this stage there should really be a county by county approach as the vast problem seems to be Dublin and Cork. There is not a nationwide response to this as the USA Spain and Italy has worked out, Population centers and epicenters need to be locked down. Not non risk areas

Let the 2 little kids play on.

snowcat · 07-05-2020 09:00PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Simple solution. Go to Norway on one of your beloved cheap bargain summer flights and get your haircut while you`re over there. Gather together with 199 of your buddies in a bar while watching a sporting event for good measure.

Genius. Im off Sounds good to me. Im like a hippy

lord quackinton · 07-05-2020 09:01PM

good to see some real good posts here today calling this lockdown for what it is - complete insanity.

whatever happened to the fighting irish, we would fight with our shadow.
now we have been reduced to hiding in our homes, afraid of a virus which has been shown to be nothing like it was billed to be.
the professional politicians and our medical experts got it very wrong and are refusing to admit this, instead want us to stay in lockdown indefinitely.
sweden got it so right, it makes me cringe that a people with zero personality have bested us.
even new zealand are laughing at us for the harsh extended lockdown.
this nonsense will affect our world standing, it took time to stop being called terrorists, now we will be labelled cowards

actions speak louder then words, please email your local politicians, TDs and the Leo the Dope.
and most importantly if you believe like i believe then act like this lockdown is over. get out there and let yourself breathe.
we must end this madness now

07-05-2020 09:08PM

lord quackinton wrote: »

good to see some real good posts here today calling this lockdown for what it is - complete insanity.

whatever happened to the fighting irish, we would fight with our shadow.
now we have been reduced to hiding in our homes, afraid of a virus which has been shown to be nothing like it was billed to be.
the professional politicians and our medical experts got it very wrong and are refusing to admit this, instead want us to stay in lockdown indefinitely.
sweden got it so right, it makes me cringe that a people with zero personality have bested us.
even new zealand are laughing at us for the harsh extended lockdown.
this nonsense will affect our world standing, it took time to stop being called terrorists, now we will be labelled cowards

actions speak louder then words, please email your local politicians, TDs and the Leo the Dope.
and most importantly if you believe like i believe then act like this lockdown is over. get out there and let yourself breathe.
we must end this madness now

IRELAND are doing nothing substantially different than nearly all our peers, and pretty close to what New Zealand are doing with the exception that they had far fewer cases so can move quicker

growleaves · 07-05-2020 09:09PM

https://twitter.com/GovRonDeSantis/status/1256214452363460610

kippy · 07-05-2020 09:11PM

lord quackinton wrote: »

good to see some real good posts here today calling this lockdown for what it is - complete insanity.

whatever happened to the fighting irish, we would fight with our shadow.
now we have been reduced to hiding in our homes, afraid of a virus which has been shown to be nothing like it was billed to be.
the professional politicians and our medical experts got it very wrong and are refusing to admit this, instead want us to stay in lockdown indefinitely.
sweden got it so right, it makes me cringe that a people with zero personality have bested us.
even new zealand are laughing at us for the harsh extended lockdown.
this nonsense will affect our world standing, it took time to stop being called terrorists, now we will be labelled cowards

actions speak louder then words, please email your local politicians, TDs and the Leo the Dope.
and most importantly if you believe like i believe then act like this lockdown is over. get out there and let yourself breathe.
we must end this madness now

Great post. Totally disagree with it but great post

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 09:12PM

News update

Moody’s lowers outlook on AIB over possible bad loans from Covid-19
Ratings agency predicts Irish lender will be hit by a surge in bad loan losses and slower growth in new lending

Not much to be positive about this time. Unfortunately.

Penfailed · 07-05-2020 09:12PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

I noticed countries such as Germany are forming 'travel alliances' with other countries seen to have performed well against Covid and allowing their people to holiday in those countries & vice versa...needless to say Ireland isn't on the list and it's not because of our case load. It's because our lock down is sticking out like a sore thumb to the rest of Europe...

Were you in these 'travel alliance' meetings? No? Then you have no idea why Ireland isn't on the list. You're guessing.

fly_agaric · 07-05-2020 09:12PM

retro:electro wrote: »

Fcuking monkeys in charge.

We have a mediocre to poor health service by standards of a rich country.

It's really awful, but to be expected that a lot of it had to shut down to focus on this pandemic.

I keep hearing a message of "go to your doctor", not wait if something is wrong with you blah blah.

While that is worthwhile & people should of course do that, unless you have Covid-19 itself, or some problem that can be fixed by a GP (or emergency dept) sending you away with minor treatment/pills, or you are in immediate danger/already seriously ill, you likely won't be getting anything much from the health service at the moment .

normanoffside · 07-05-2020 09:15PM

Did anyone watch the conference in full today?

At the end one of the Doctors was asked if the social distancing measures brought in on 12th March weren't just as effective as the current 'lockdown' which began on the 27th March.

He and Dr Tony agreed that the initial social distancing recommendations were just as effective at slowing the spread as our current rules, yet they don't see this as a reason to relax current restrictions.

To be more Galling an Upbeat Dr Holohan then reiterated that if we keep it up we are on track to move to stage 1 on the 18th May as planned.

At this stage Dr Holohan looks to me like a poker player holding 4 aces and afraid to make a bet because he's afraid someone else might hold a Royal Flush.
How can you let someone so risk averse and incompetent effectively run an entire country, economy, Heath service?

Spanish Eyes · 07-05-2020 09:18PM

Well it looks like the Leaving Cert will be cancelled. Decision at tomorrow’s cabinet meeting.

But on the teaching board they are saying it looks like a fait accompli.

CruelSummer · 07-05-2020 09:20PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

In answer to your many questions..
First I have already explained my reasons for not appreciating some of the posts, never said all.

Some people are trying to manage teens, care for elderly parents , and try not to kill each other, while others are lonely and alone as you say, is that not hardship? Others are worried for their futures and their children's , their sick relatives that they can't be with , their jobs , their mortgages..again that is hardship!
But as I said, most people are accepting that this is what they need to do in order to get back to some level of normality while safeguarding the lives of their loved ones.

Ireland's reputation is safe , and in comparison to UKand US , growing by the week. Most scientific modelling and recommendations are very much in line with what is being done here in Ireland .
This has been handled well and continues to be handled well , despite what you say. Do you not appreciate that a death rate like UK.would be far more scary to people than the current death rate , which is not low but not as high as expected, and we won't know what it really is for a while yet ?
Ireland is about 3 or weeks behind the Danes and the Germans , so far too soon to be opening up like them . And by the way the Danes closed their borders which lot of people were against at the time.
Good for them that there is no spike yet. Hopefully we will be like that and will be able to take the odd minibreak too. Me, I'll be staying home in Ireland for a while .
And as regards the payment, what do you suggest ? People are as yet unable to travel to work, some working from home, some not . I for one am glad we live in a country where people's lives are more important than the current tax take . Yes this will have to be faced in the future , but we are with everyone else in this regard.

You make some fair points re people trying to manage at home, the sadness of people dying alone, etc. It’s awful and very hard on families and their loved ones.
However I’m going to have to respectfully disagree with your point that Ireland’s Reputation is safe, read an article in the Irish independent earlier stating our banks could be getting into trouble, moreso than other nations who’ve had worse outbreaks. Why would this be if our response is measured and in line with others. The lack of government has to be a major concern also.

castletownman · 07-05-2020 09:20PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Did anyone watch the conference in full today?

At the end one of the Doctors was asked if the social distancing measures brought in on 12th March weren't just as effective as the current 'lockdown' which began on the 27th March.

He and Dr Tony agreed that the initial social distancing recommendations were just as effective at slowing the spread as our current rules, yet they don't see this as a reason to relax current restrictions.

To be more Galling an Upbeat Dr Holohan then reiterated that if we keep it up we are on track to move to stage 1 on the 18th May as planned.

At this stage Dr Holohan looks to me like a poker player holding 4 aces and afraid to make a bet because he's afraid someone else might hold a Royal Flush.
How can you let someone so risk averse and incompetent effectively run an entire country, economy, Heath service?

I assume you nothing of the HSE, and how it has generally been ran since its foundation?

I'll give a clue. The E part of the initialism doesn't stand for "Excellence" or "Extraordinaire"

normanoffside · 07-05-2020 09:25PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well it looks like the Leaving Cert will be cancelled. Decision at tomorrow’s cabinet meeting.

But on the teaching board they are saying it looks like a fait accompli.

22 Community Infections Yesterday and they want to cancel the Leaving Cert already.
Absolute Lunacy.

07-05-2020 09:30PM

castletownman wrote: »

I assume you nothing of the HSE, and how it has generally been ran since its foundation?

I'll give a clue. The E part of the initialism doesn't stand for "Excellence" or "Extraordinaire"

Executive - eg responsible for putting plans into effect and formulating strategy as opposed to the clinical staff who make the individual healthcare decisions.

ceadaoin. · 07-05-2020 09:30PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Well it looks like the Leaving Cert will be cancelled. Decision at tomorrow’s cabinet meeting.

But on the teaching board they are saying it looks like a fait accompli.

So all those students have to put their lives on hold and redo sixth year or what?

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 09:31PM

normanoffside wrote: »

22 Community Infections Yesterday and they want to cancel the Leaving Cert already.
Absolute Lunacy.

This is woeful.

castletownman · 07-05-2020 09:32PM

I'd say they will be all given places to their desired college course, and maybe even a bonus 50 mollycoddle points for the uncertainty.

Handiest leaving cert ever.

normanoffside · 07-05-2020 09:38PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

So all those students have to put their lives on hold and redo sixth year or what?

Who cares about young people or their education?

90% of today's infections were from Nursing homes.
Not sure how or why people think that Kid's doing the leaving cert is going to affect those numbers.

Taoiseach Tony has bigged up this bug's deadliness and panicked the public and politicians into an illogical state of fear.
They have to double down now on their lies for fear of being accused of having over reacted.

Multipass · 07-05-2020 09:42PM

lord quackinton wrote: »

good to see some real good posts here today calling this lockdown for what it is - complete insanity.

whatever happened to the fighting irish, we would fight with our shadow.
now we have been reduced to hiding in our homes, afraid of a virus which has been shown to be nothing like it was billed to be.
the professional politicians and our medical experts got it very wrong and are refusing to admit this, instead want us to stay in lockdown indefinitely.
sweden got it so right, it makes me cringe that a people with zero personality have bested us.
even new zealand are laughing at us for the harsh extended lockdown.
this nonsense will affect our world standing, it took time to stop being called terrorists, now we will be labelled cowards

actions speak louder then words, please email your local politicians, TDs and the Leo the Dope.
and most importantly if you believe like i believe then act like this lockdown is over. get out there and let yourself breathe.
we must end this madness now

I’m losing it, our cowardly government are about to throw the leaving cert students who have worked the hardest under the bus. For nothing, What an example to set the young, fear, incompetence and hysteria. I’m so ashamed. It’s complete insanity.

gozunda · 07-05-2020 09:46PM

easypazz wrote: »

Are you in a position to categorically rule out that no young person has already died or will die in the future due to any of the above illnesses not being addressed as normal due to covid 19.
You could do with growing up instead of constantly trying to belittle anybody who points out that there are a lot of secondary mortality consequences as a result of the current restrictions.
It is highly disrespectful to the many people who are genuinely struggling and those who are making enormous sacrifices through all of this.

Please allow me to fix that for you.

Just in case you really have not noticed - a source was requested which just might address the rather bizarre opening statement above. Perhaps if that was made available there would be no need to ask such blatantly daft questions.

And to paraphrase- You could do with growing up instead of constantly trying to belittle everyone who you dont agree with. The fact remains that any claim that " there are a lot of secondary mortality consequences as a result of the current restrictions" is pure speculation .

Attempting to use those suffering from LTIs to score cheap points is highly disrespectful to both them and the many people who are genuinely struggling and those who are making enormous sacrifices through all of this.

Tbh I'd reckon the talents displayed in your comment above may be best appreciated in the prose or fiction forum

Loozer · 07-05-2020 09:49PM

Multipass wrote: »

I’m losing it, our cowardly government are about to throw the leaving cert students who have worked the hardest under the bus. For nothing, What an example to set the young, fear, incompetence and hysteria. I’m so ashamed. It’s complete insanity.

They don't want it to go ahead

road_high · 07-05-2020 09:49PM

normanoffside wrote: »

22 Community Infections Yesterday and they want to cancel the Leaving Cert already.
Absolute Lunacy.

We are led by social media hysterics now. They dictate policy. Common sense gone out the window, extinct in government

road_high · 07-05-2020 09:51PM

No one can cope with anything anymore- they’ll probably replace the exams with “everyone’s a winner” awards in the coming years

riclad · 07-05-2020 09:53PM

We are are in lockdown because they want to reduce
the no of infections to a very low no. the 5k rule is to
Stop people who have the virus spreading it to rural
areas. our medical services can only deal with a limited no
of patients with the virus. We have a serious problem
Anyone can come here by plane or by ferry from the UK
Other country's check people's tempetures when
they get off a plane. There's a logical reason for the government's policy's. I can see no point in opening
Schools before September since it looks like the leaving cert will be cancelled in favor of some system of estimated credits based on their previous academic results they want to cancel
the leaving cert because it would be difficult to have an exam with
1000,s of students in buildings at the same time without putting their health at risk

Multipass · 07-05-2020 09:56PM

Loozer wrote: »

They don't want it to go ahead

‘They’ include my son who is in utter despair at being denied a fair end to his school life.

easypazz · 07-05-2020 09:56PM

gozunda wrote: »

Please allow me to fix that for you.

Just in case you really have not noticed - a source was requested which just might address the rather bizarre opening statement above. Perhaps if that was made available there would be no need to ask such blatantly daft questions.

You could do with growing up instead of constantly trying to belittle everyone who you dont agree with. The fact remains that any claim that " there are a lot of secondary mortality consequences as a result of the current restrictions" is pure speculation .

Attempting to use those suffering from LTIs to score cheap points is highly disrespectful to both them and the many people who are genuinely struggling and those who are making enormous sacrifices through all of this.

Tbh I'd reckon the talents displayed in your comment above may be best appreciated in the prose or fiction forum

Ok gloomer

FintanMcluskey · 07-05-2020 09:57PM

riclad wrote: »

We are are in lockdown because they want to reduce
the no of infections to a very low no.

How low do they want?
Being locked up longer than other European countries means that information needs to be made public?

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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