Relaxation of restrictions Part II

KrustyUCC · 07-05-2020 06:47PM

trishasaffron wrote: »

Apologies if it has already been dealt with but headlines globally have suggested men are disproportionately affected but in Ireland death rate is 57% female.

No its not that's cases

Cork Boy 53 · 07-05-2020 06:48PM

bloodless_coup wrote: »

137 is a micky mouse number. Open the county.

Which county do you want opened?

Cork Boy 53 · 07-05-2020 06:49PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

People might enjoy themselves. Nothing worse than that

Right bud................:rolleyes:

SusieBlue · 07-05-2020 06:49PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Big difference between treatment and screening , yes.
That is not the post I was replying to .
If a person is concerned and has symptoms they are worried about, they should ring their GP. They won't be getting any routine screening but anything else IS being looked after, and as I said I have had personal experience of this.

Treatment is being delayed because of lack of screening though, that’s the problem.
I can only speak for the Cervical Check/Colposcopy clinics as I am a long term patient there, I have colposcopies performed every 4-6 months to ensure my precancerous cells haven’t mutated into cancerous ones. My appointments have been cancelled until further notice.
Before any naysayers accuse me of lying, I have posted about this here for a number of years.

Now I understand that appointments for treatment of confirmed cancer are still going ahead, albeit they are extremely delayed. One lady I know has had her treatment delayed until August, due to reduced staff availability & new social distancing procedures.... By which time her cancer could be terminal for all she knows.
But the delay in screening and diagnosis is unacceptable.
And if it’s happening with cervical cancer, an area of the health system that has received heavy criticism and scrutiny over the last few years, I can only imagine what’s happening with other cancers.

This is going to cost lives, don’t doubt it.

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 06:52PM

When will Leo and co start acting and admit below?

"Texas governor Greg Abbott announced that nail and hair salons and barber shops will be allowed to open in the state from Friday. He also announced that gyms and office buildings will be allowed to reopen on May 18.

"We have slowed the spread in Texas, but the fact remains this: As it stands today, there is no cure for COVID-19," he said."

People have such difficulty comprehending the last statement. We achieve nothing by sitting around. Its procrastinating until nobody on this island has a covid case or is in ICU, so then you can lift 1 restriction and have 100% health care capacity and say to the public "look, we are opening up when we are best prepared, dont mention the crushed economy, we saved lives!".

FintanMcluskey · 07-05-2020 06:54PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

When will Leo and co start acting and admit below?

"Texas governor Greg Abbott announced that nail and hair salons and barber shops will be allowed to open in the state from Friday. He also announced that gyms and office buildings will be allowed to reopen on May 18.

"We have slowed the spread in Texas, but the fact remains this: As it stands today, there is no cure for COVID-19," he said."

People have such difficulty comprehending the last statement. We achieve nothing by sitting around. Its procrastinating until nobody on this island has a covid case or is in ICU, so then you can lift 1 restriction and have 100% health care capacity and say to the public "look, we are opening up when we are best prepared, dont mention the crushed economy, we saved lives!".

The world will will laugh at old nanny Ireland. Its so demoralising to look at the globe reopening and we have tiny numbers with no light at the end of the tunnel until Summer will be a distant memory

easypazz · 07-05-2020 06:57PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Treatment is being delayed because of lack of screening though, that’s the problem.
I can only speak for the Cervical Check/Colposcopy clinics as I am a long term patient there, I have colposcopies performed every 4-6 months to ensure my precancerous cells haven’t mutated into cancerous ones. My appointments have been cancelled until further notice.
Before any naysayers accuse me of lying, I have posted about this here for a number of years.

Now I understand that appointments for treatment of confirmed cancer are still going ahead, albeit they are extremely delayed. One lady I know has had her treatment delayed until August, due to reduced staff availability & new social distancing procedures.... By which time her cancer could be terminal for all she knows.
But the delay in screening and diagnosis is unacceptable.
And if it’s happening with cervical cancer, an area of the health system that has received heavy criticism and scrutiny over the last few years, I can only imagine what’s happening with other cancers.

This is going to cost lives, don’t doubt it.

There are few on here who need to read this a few times before posting again.

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 06:58PM

CruelSummer wrote: »

What exactly is the issue with posts on here? I’m had enough of this ‘we’re all going through hardships’ - no we’re not. We’re all sitting on our backsides wasting BILLIONS of taxpayers money for no good reason anymore. Children and people under 50 in particular - the risks are minimal and their lives are being destroyed. Why are we all hiding out and why? Absolutely abysmal performance from authorities, we should be leading the way in re-opening, not watching on as others do it. Ireland could suffer big reputation damage from this farce.
Are you denying the current death rates looks to be 0.5%? Are you denying the fact that this disease is just a risk for people who are 80+ or with underlying conditions? You seem to be suggesting it’s more dangerous than it is in your posts, thus keeping everyone scared and alone in their houses.
Are you not willing to accept our European neighbours are re-opening, schools in Denmark, restaurants, etc & there is NO SPIKE in cases.
Germany is now turning its attention to allowing its citizens go on summer holidays around Europe.
Meanwhile in the Dáil...lets extend the Covid payment and keep everything closed. I’m sure our credit rating, borrowing capacity, tax take, etc is actually just a bottomless pot of gold at the end of a rainbow.

In answer to your many questions..
First I have already explained my reasons for not appreciating some of the posts, never said all.

Some people are trying to manage teens, care for elderly parents , and try not to kill each other, while others are lonely and alone as you say, is that not hardship? Others are worried for their futures and their children's , their sick relatives that they can't be with , their jobs , their mortgages..again that is hardship!
But as I said, most people are accepting that this is what they need to do in order to get back to some level of normality while safeguarding the lives of their loved ones.

Ireland's reputation is safe , and in comparison to UKand US , growing by the week. Most scientific modelling and recommendations are very much in line with what is being done here in Ireland .
This has been handled well and continues to be handled well , despite what you say. Do you not appreciate that a death rate like UK.would be far more scary to people than the current death rate , which is not low but not as high as expected, and we won't know what it really is for a while yet ?
Ireland is about 3 or weeks behind the Danes and the Germans , so far too soon to be opening up like them . And by the way the Danes closed their borders which lot of people were against at the time.
Good for them that there is no spike yet. Hopefully we will be like that and will be able to take the odd minibreak too. Me, I'll be staying home in Ireland for a while .
And as regards the payment, what do you suggest ? People are as yet unable to travel to work, some working from home, some not . I for one am glad we live in a country where people's lives are more important than the current tax take . Yes this will have to be faced in the future , but we are with everyone else in this regard.

the kelt · 07-05-2020 06:59PM

Only 22 of the 137 new cases today were from community transmission.

115 of 137 related to residential care homes yet I’m sure we will have the simpletons on here later claiming the house parties and full parks yadda yadda yadda as seen on Facebook and WhatsApp are ruining this for everyone, it’s their fault etc etc.

bloodless_coup · 07-05-2020 07:02PM

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Which county do you want opened?

My one

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 07:03PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

In answer to your many questions..
First I have already explained my reasons for not appreciating some of the posts, never said all.

Some people are trying to manage teens, care for elderly parents , and try not to kill each other, while others are lonely and alone as you say, is that not hardship? Others are worried for their futures and their children's , their sick relatives that they can't be with , their jobs , their mortgages..again that is hardship!
But as I said, most people are accepting that this is what they need to do in order to get back to some level of normality while safeguarding the lives of their loved ones.

Ireland's reputation is safe , and in comparison to UKand US , growing by the week. Most scientific modelling and recommendations are very much in line with what is being done here in Ireland .
This has been handled well and continues to be handled well , despite what you say. Do you not appreciate that a death rate like UK.would be far more scary to people than the current death rate , which is not low but not as high as expected, and we won't know what it really is for a while yet ?
Ireland is about 3 or weeks behind the Danes and the Germans , so far too soon to be opening up like them . And by the way the Danes closed their borders which lot of people were against at the time.
Good for them that there is no spike yet. Hopefully we will be like that and will be able to take the odd minibreak too. Me, I'll be staying home in Ireland for a while .
And as regards the payment, what do you suggest ? People are as yet unable to travel to work, some working from home, some not . I for one am glad we live in a country where people's lives are more important than the current tax take . Yes this will have to be faced in the future , but we are with everyone else in this regard.

Denmark have opened their schools 14th of April, barbers 21 April.

Are you sure you were meant to say we are 3 weeks behind Denmark? 3 months you mean?

Do you really think our economy is going to be in a similar state as Sweden, Germany, Czech republic, Denmark, Finland, Norway?

Its not Friday night comedy yet, thats tomorrow.

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 07:04PM

easypazz wrote: »

The problem is they are afraid to ring their GP, due to the whole situation, and diagnosis are being missed.

Some of the childish types will blame people for not going for a check up but a lot of people are genuinely fearful of going near a GP or hospital at the moment.

Why are you calling some people childish while saying others are afraid to go see their GP?
If someone is concerned they ring make an appointment. The doctor will allay the patients fears .The surgeries are empty and one patient booked in at a time, if necessary. They are wearing masks and visors and gowns and they are responsible professionals who know how to ensure their patients safety .
Where are you getting this from, the radio?

FintanMcluskey · 07-05-2020 07:07PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

This has been handled well and continues to be handled well , despite what you say. Do you not appreciate that a death rate like UK.would be far more scary to people than the current death rate , which is not low but not as high as expected, and we won't know what it really is for a while yet ?

Population adjusted this is not remotely true.

The more elderly in a country the higher number of deaths.

We haven't done well

nj27 · 07-05-2020 07:07PM

If there were only 22 community transmissions today and they're finished testing nursing homes we'll be looking at really low daily cases soon. Hopefully they can advance through some of the stages of the plan a bit more quickly on the basis of that.

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 07:10PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Denmark have opened their schools 14th of April, barbers 21 April.

Are you sure you were meant to say we are 3 weeks behind Denmark? 3 months you mean?

Do you really think our economy is going to be in a similar state as Sweden, Germany, Czech republic, Denmark, Finland, Norway?

Its not Friday night comedy yet, thats tomorrow.

We are 3 weeks behind in disease and shutdown , yes.
Schools will be later because 3 weeks would have them opening in mid June which for the sake of a fortnight and all the risk that would entail, would be a bit pointless.
As to your other comments I think if you read my post you would see I don't see anything funny about it.
In fact the way I see it this is the end of our world as we know it , until a vaccine or effective treatment is found .
I have sons and it is going to ruin their lives for the next couple of years , make no mistake about it .

easypazz · 07-05-2020 07:14PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

We are 3 weeks behind in disease and shutdown , yes.
Schools will be later because 3 weeks would have them opening in mid June which for the sake of a fortnight and all the risk that would entail, would be a bit pointless.
As to your other comments I think if you read my post you would see I don't see anything funny about it.
In fact the way I see it this is the end of our world as we know it , until a vaccine or effective treatment is found .
I have sons and it is going to ruin their lives for the next couple of years , make no mistake about it .

How are we three weeks behind "in disease" what kind of a half baked comment is that?

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 07:15PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

We are 3 weeks behind in disease and shutdown , yes.
Schools will be later because 3 weeks would have them opening in mid June which for the sake of a fortnight and all the risk that would entail, would be a bit pointless.
As to your other comments I think if you read my post you would see I don't see anything funny about it.

You are not making any sense. Denmark have opened schools 14th of April. 3 weeks later is about 5th of May. What has mid June got to do with anything?

Completely disregarded poor barbers, they gotta wait 3 more months extra. (months, not weeks, just to confirm)

Not great.

Breaston Plants · 07-05-2020 07:16PM

Can someone explain this " Median" age thing in laymans terms please?
Thanks

helimachoptor · 07-05-2020 07:18PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Can someone explain this " Median" age thing in laymans terms please?
Thanks

There's equal numbers older than it and younger than it

Benimar · 07-05-2020 07:18PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Can someone explain this " Median" age thing in laymans terms please?
Thanks

It’s literally the middle figure when they are laid out in order.

For example if a student got marks of 35, 65, 70, 72, 75, the median is 70.

Jimbob1977 · 07-05-2020 07:19PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Can someone explain this " Median" age thing in laymans terms please?
Thanks

Mean is the same as average

Median is the result of the middle person in a sorted list.

If an 81, 83, 88, 91 and 95 year old pass away, the median is 88.... the result of the middle person.

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 07:19PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Treatment is being delayed because of lack of screening though, that’s the problem.
I can only speak for the Cervical Check/Colposcopy clinics as I am a long term patient there, I have colposcopies performed every 4-6 months to ensure my precancerous cells haven’t mutated into cancerous ones. My appointments have been cancelled until further notice.
Before any naysayers accuse me of lying, I have posted about this here for a number of years.

Now I understand that appointments for treatment of confirmed cancer are still going ahead, albeit they are extremely delayed. One lady I know has had her treatment delayed until August, due to reduced staff availability & new social distancing procedures.... By which time her cancer could be terminal for all she knows.
But the delay in screening and diagnosis is unacceptable.
And if it’s happening with cervical cancer, an area of the health system that has received heavy criticism and scrutiny over the last few years, I can only imagine what’s happening with other cancers.

This is going to cost lives, don’t doubt it.

There is difference between diagnosing new cancers and screening routinely . A lot of screening is being pushed out no doubt , to the maximum time limit that is allowed.
I do still say that if you have any issues you should ring your doctor. I say this because of a similar issue and it was done straight away .

Cork Boy 53 · 07-05-2020 07:20PM

Breaston Plants wrote: »

Can someone explain this " Median" age thing in laymans terms please?
Thanks

Have a read of this.

https://www.mathsisfun.com/median.html

Assetbacked · 07-05-2020 07:20PM

Let's get the fcuking place going again, community transmission is dead, entirely dead. There is no justification to keep us in lockdown with extreme powers beigg given to the Gardaí. The time line for easing messures should be ramped up massively, otherwise the financial cost is unnecessarily shooting up.

Any talk from anyone about the lack of adherence to measures at this stage is nonsense and claiming we are not at a stage of getting out of this lockdown is motivated by ignorance.

castletownman · 07-05-2020 07:20PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Treatment is being delayed because of lack of screening though, that’s the problem.
I can only speak for the Cervical Check/Colposcopy clinics as I am a long term patient there, I have colposcopies performed every 4-6 months to ensure my precancerous cells haven’t mutated into cancerous ones. My appointments have been cancelled until further notice.
Before any naysayers accuse me of lying, I have posted about this here for a number of years.

Now I understand that appointments for treatment of confirmed cancer are still going ahead, albeit they are extremely delayed. One lady I know has had her treatment delayed until August, due to reduced staff availability & new social distancing procedures.... By which time her cancer could be terminal for all she knows.
But the delay in screening and diagnosis is unacceptable.
And if it’s happening with cervical cancer, an area of the health system that has received heavy criticism and scrutiny over the last few years, I can only imagine what’s happening with other cancers.

This is going to cost lives, don’t doubt it.

Dr.Tony has prior experience in this of course, given his role in the CervicalCheck scandal.

It's amazing how he is approaching sainthood with his actions during covid-19, when in reality he shouldn't even be in his role as chief medical officer.

We must have short memories.

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 07:22PM

easypazz wrote: »

How are we three weeks behind "in disease" what kind of a half baked comment is that?

About as half baked as your comment. A lot of the countries quoted had the disease more than 3 weeks before us . Understand ?

FintanMcluskey · 07-05-2020 07:24PM

castletownman wrote: »

Dr.Tony has prior experience in this of course, given his role in the CervicalCheck scandal.

It's amazing how he is approaching sainthood with his actions during covid-19, when in reality he shouldn't even be in his role as chief medical officer.

We must have short memories.

That was the beauty of Covid.
At first they said 120k deaths in Ireland. (que pandemonium among public)
We have less than 2k and seemingly its because of restrictions and the response of Tony and Co.
It was ingenious to suggest 120k deaths, a cushion of lies if you will

Goldengirl · 07-05-2020 07:25PM

castletownman wrote: »

Dr.Tony has prior experience in this of course, given his role in the CervicalCheck scandal.

It's amazing how he is approaching sainthood with his actions during covid-19, when in reality he shouldn't even be in his role as chief medical officer.

We must have short memories.

That was Tony O'Brien, not a doctor and since retired...,not Dr. Tony Holohan!

Ginger n Lemon · 07-05-2020 07:26PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

About as half baked as your comment. A lot of the countries quoted had the disease more than 3 weeks before us . Understand ?

You mean they realized they had the disease 3 weeks before we realized we had it?

You are not doing well tonight.

FintanMcluskey · 07-05-2020 07:27PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

That was Tony O'Brien, not a doctor and since retired...,not Dr. Tony Holohan!

Eh what?

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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