Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Multipass

road_high wrote: »

We are led by social media hysterics now. They dictate policy. Common sense gone out the window, extinct in government

Absolutely right.

easypazz

road_high wrote: »

No one can cope with anything anymore- they’ll probably replace the exams with “everyone’s a winner” awards in the coming years

How many leaving cert. students have died from covid?

Mad_maxx

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The world and posters on here, has been conditioned to always obey society's P.C standards. Those P.C standards prevent the difficult questions being asked due to some rhetoric every life is vital or throw the elderly under the bus.
The bottom line is, we can't say with any confidence if anyone who died with Covid would be alive today if Covid didn't exist. Death is a reality, for every age, everyday of every year.

the bulk of those who died may well have died with covid19 rather than due to it

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

How low do they want?
Being locked up longer than other European countries means that information needs to be made public?

We are not being locked up longer than other countries. Fact is we were never “locked up” when compared to Italy, Spain, France

easypazz

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the bulk of those who died may well have died with covid19 rather than due to it

So true.

I wonder how many of these funerals were the words "it was an ease to him" uttered.

ChelseaRentBoy

Multipass wrote: »

I’m losing it, our cowardly government are about to throw the leaving cert students who have worked the hardest under the bus. For nothing, What an example to set the young, fear, incompetence and hysteria. I’m so ashamed. It’s complete insanity.

Take a deep breathe.

Ginger n Lemon

gozunda wrote: »

Please allow me to fix that for you.

Just in case you really have not noticed - a source was requested which just might address the rather bizarre opening statement above. Perhaps if that was made available there would be no need to ask such blatantly daft questions.

You could do with growing up instead of constantly trying to belittle everyone who you dont agree with. The fact remains that any claim that " there are a lot of secondary mortality consequences as a result of the current restrictions" is pure speculation .

Attempting to use those suffering from LTIs to score cheap points is highly disrespectful to both them and the many people who are genuinely struggling and those who are making enormous sacrifices through all of this.

Tbh I'd reckon the talents displayed in your comment above may be best appreciated in the prose or fiction forum

You are very aggressive.

If you think that recessions do not cause suicides in Ireland and that its speculation then I worry for you my friend. But then half of people in this thread want to crash our economy to Uganda levels but save that 1 life.

Noble, but foolish.

Arghus

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Those pesky Norwegians.

Buts its ok, they reported their first covid case 3 months before we did. Cough cough*

"
Norway has announced schools will be able to reopen on Monday and bars from 1 June. Cultural and sporting events of up to 200 people can start on 15 June"


Are we on the same planet? I am struggling to understand how can Norway allow 200 people gathering 15 June, but I cant get a haircut until 20th of July?

Norway can reopen faster than we can because they had a far smaller outbreak than we did.

It's pretty simple.

8000 cases v 22000 cases.

217 v 1403 deaths.

Mad_maxx

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

News update

Moody’s lowers outlook on AIB over possible bad loans from Covid-19
Ratings agency predicts Irish lender will be hit by a surge in bad loan losses and slower growth in new lending

Not much to be positive about this time. Unfortunately.

a second tax payer bailout of irish banks within the space of a little over ten years is looking increasingly on the cards , paying mortgages was always optional in this country , covid19 was the final straw

Tell me how

This lad would agree with 50% of this thread anyway.

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1258502616562069504

Ginger n Lemon

Arghus wrote: »

Norway can reopen faster than we can because they had a far smaller outbreak than we did.

It's pretty simple.

8000 cases v 22000 cases.

217 v 1403 deaths.

This is a strange way of looking at it. So Sweden never went into lockdown because they thought they would have 0 cases?

growleaves

Tell me how wrote: »

This lad would agree with 50% of this thread anyway.

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1258502616562069504

A Yank screaming about the US Constitution, conspiracy theories and masks. How relevant to our discussion on this thread (not)

easypazz

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You are very aggressive.

If you think that recessions do not cause suicides in Ireland and that its speculation then I worry for you my friend. But then half of people in this thread want to crash our economy to Uganda levels but save that 1 life.

Noble, but foolish.

The bit about secondary mortality was a copy and paste I took from the relaxation of restrictions criteria on gov.ie

normanoffside

Mad_maxx wrote: »

the bulk of those who died may well have died with covid19 rather than due to it

Another one from Dr Tony today was that he reiterated that all and even suspected cases of Covid are being marked by us (and only us- he said that almost no other countries don't do this) as Covid deaths.

In other words, someone on their death bed with a Terminal illness who happened to have Covid at death are marked at Covid Deaths even when it's not a significant factor in the death.
In cases who have not been tested, the doctor is encouraged to mark it as a Covid death if he suspects the patient may have had it.

In other words we are inflating death figures to fit in with his agenda- to over emphasise the deadliness of the disease and cause mass hysteria.

_Kaiser_

Only catching up with the 9pm news here and as if Tony H proclaiming that if Covid was here earlier in the year/last year they would have caught it :rolleyes: wasn't enough, then we had the nonsense Leaving Cert decision that's apparently imminent (because letting teachers grade students they might not like isn't an issue at all!), and now the Insurers (who have been ripping us all off for years) are refusing to cover childcare workers providing support to front-line staff for Covid.

I've actually had to turn it off.

easypazz

A young woman terminally ill with cancer on rte 1 now explaining how tough lockdown is and what it will be like to die alone.

Then we have people on here describing it as "fairly light restrictions" and thinking they are great.

normanoffside

easypazz wrote: »

A young woman terminally ill with cancer on rte 1 now explaining how tough lockdown is and what it will be like to die alone.

Then we have people on here describing it as "fairly light restrictions" and thinking they are great.

According to a lot of people on here she should just stop moaning.

Loozer

normanoffside wrote: »

According to a lot of people on here she should just stop moaning.

She should just chill and watch Netflix

According to some..

Penfailed

lord quackinton wrote: »

even new zealand are laughing at us for the harsh extended lockdown.
...
actions speak louder then words, please email your local politicians, TDs and the Leo the Dope.
and most importantly if you believe like i believe then act like this lockdown is over. get out there and let yourself breathe.
we must end this madness now

Firstly, NZ aren't laughing at us. They are using us as an example of what may be required if things go bad for them.
Secondly, I totally agree - anyone and everyone should be lobbying those in power if you disagree with what's going on.
Thirdly, I think acting like the lockdown is over is not the way to go. It's somewhat reckless.

dalyboy

normanoffside wrote: »

Another one from Dr Tony today was that he reiterated that all and even suspected cases of Covid are being marked by us (and only us- he said that almost no other countries don't do this) as Covid deaths.

In other words, someone on their death bed with a Terminal illness who happened to have Covid at death are marked at Covid Deaths even when it's not a significant factor in the death.
In cases who have not been tested, the doctor is encouraged to mark it as a Covid death if he suspects the patient may have had it.

In other words we are inflating death figures to fit in with his agenda- to over emphasise the deadliness of the disease and cause mass hysteria.

Exactly. I can’t wait to see the overall death numbers this time next year for 2020 . A good ole compare and contrast to 2019 , 2018 etc will shine real light on this over-reaction lockdown based on flawed exaggerated / doomsday models months ago. Heads will roll .

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

Firstly, NZ aren't laughing at us. They are using us as an example of what may be required if things go bad for them.
Secondly, I totally agree - anyone and everyone should be lobbying those in power if you disagree with what's going on.
Thirdly, I think acting like the lockdown is over is not the way to go. It's somewhat reckless.

Are you in agreement its a lockdown now?

Arghus

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

This is a strange way of looking at it. So Sweden never went into lockdown because they thought they would have 0 cases?

I don't know if you recall but, you were asking about Norway and wondering why Norway is re-opening quicker than us?

I'm not sure why giving you information which aids in comparisons between understanding the differing approach taken by Norway and Ireland is a strange way of looking at it.

They're reopening quicker than us because they had a smaller outbreak than us, got control of it quicker than us and have had less deaths.

Ginger n Lemon

Oh uh, Leo OPEN UP

"
The businesses are paying average overheads of €2,000 per week despite the shutdown – with one quarter of them shelling out €5,000 per week.

Most will have to spend between €5,000 and €13,000 in preparation for reopening.

“With the above in mind, the question for many business owners is soon going to become not ‘Can we keep going?’ but ‘Can we afford to reopen?’” said Mr Talbot."

Ginger n Lemon

Is Tony cervical check Holohan watching? Below is an interesting read.

"
Danish health authorities published a model on Thursday showing the spread of the virus was likely to slow even if most of society was reopened so long as social distancing of two metres was maintained.
"

normanoffside

dalyboy wrote: »

Exactly. I can’t wait to see the overall death numbers this time next year for 2020 . A good ole compare and contrast to 2019 , 2018 etc will shine real light on this over-reaction lockdown based on flawed exaggerated / doomsday models months ago. Heads will roll .

Actually, he was asked about this too and said that this year's deaths are in line with previous years but then put it down to people not recording deaths this year due to the restrictions :rolleyes:

gozunda

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

You are very aggressive.

If you think that recessions do not cause suicides in Ireland and that its speculation then I worry for you my friend. But then half of people in this thread want to crash our economy to Uganda levels but save that 1 life.

Noble, but foolish.

Ah you are mixed up there. You mean the original comment. Absolutely. Paraphrasing the overtly aggressive language was unpleasant tbh. But hey that's where we are eh!

Btw I made no claims otherwise btw. I believe the original list included obesity, alcoholism and suicide btw I simply asked for a source of such claims relative to Covid-19 as detailed. Without that anything else unfortunately is speculation.

That said if the country was going to follow the crazy dictates of a tiny minority of this thread then I'd agree with the Uganda comparison.

normanoffside

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

"
Danish health authorities published a model on Thursday showing the spread of the virus was likely to slow even if most of society was reopened so long as social distancing of two metres was maintained.
"

This Item is going to be on Prime Time after the break.

Finally a change in official Narrative?

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Ok gloomer

This wasn't really funny the first time you posted it.

gozunda

Arghus wrote: »

Norway can reopen faster than we can because they had a far smaller outbreak than we did.

It's pretty simple.

8000 cases v 22000 cases.

217 v 1403 deaths.

Get away up the field with your sense and logic! That kind of stuff is not suited to this thread at all :pac:

Ginger n Lemon

gozunda wrote: »

Ah you are mixed up there. You mean the original comment. Absolutely. Paraphrasing the overtly aggressive language was unpleasant tbh. But hey that's where we are eh!

Btw I made no claims otherwise btw. I believe the original list included obesity, alcoholism and suicide btw I simply asked for a source of such claims relative to Covid-19 as detailed. Without that anything else unfortunately is speculation.

That said if the country was going to follow the crazy dictates of a tiny minority of this thread then I'd agree with the Uganda comparison.

Well the country is already following crazy dictates of Leo & Co, who do not want to open up the economy until death numbers are as low as possible.

You know they are crazy because they do not give you any numbers.

They make decisions that affect 5 million people and do not have any competence to come up with any actual numbers that determine if transitions between phases in their plan can occur. Now that is as crazy as it gets.