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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #9662
    [Deleted User]
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    fritzelly wrote: »
    The official first cases!

    It's believed it actually started end of November best guess, for it to have reached other countries by mid December one has to assume it was already rampant in Wuhan and being covered up. They silenced one doctor - how many others did they silence

    BBC piece also says this person hasn’t a clue where he caught it and he also said he had not been abroad either. French doctors think he was infected between the 14 & 22 of December. Lends creedance to the Nov/Dec theory of the disease being in Europe at that time think.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52526554


  • #9663
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Still over 200 new cases. If we'd have been more forceful about the lockdown, made it law to wear face masks in public and imposed state quarantine for anybody entering the country I'd be confident we would have at most 20% of the cares we are getting daily by now.

    Two points

    Those 200 probably contracted this 2-3 weeks ago

    The testing has ramped up significantly so they are catching a higher proportion of "current" cases

    We are therefore already showing pretty significant improvements


  • #9664
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    cnocbui wrote: »
    No, I think they just wanted to have sex.

    Did you misunderstand that I meant a political motivation for the reporting by the Daily Telegraph of a lockdown breach by the main SAGE opponent of the UK's (previous) herd immunity policy?

    Incidentally, the report is a month after the breach occurred and is also on the exact day that the UK surpassed Italy for the greatest number of deaths in Europe.

    If it weren't for Professor Ferguson, the UK death toll would be considerably higher than it already is.


  • #9665
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    weisses wrote: »
    I have a day off tomorrow

    Where are you off to?


  • #9666
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    Did you misunderstand that I meant a political motivation for the reporting by the Daily Telegraph of a lockdown breach by the main SAGE opponent of the UK's (previous) herd immunity policy?

    Incidentally, the report is a month after the breach occurred and is also on the exact day that the UK surpassed Italy for the greatest number of deaths in Europe.

    If it weren't for Professor Ferguson, the UK death toll would be considerably higher than it already is.

    I think there is a political angle. Dates are over a month ago so either they only got the story very recently and wrote it up quickly or had it a few weeks. Lot of detail in the article which seems like it wasn't a rushed job. Real Tabloid story too. Wouldn't think it would usually be Telegraph's style.


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  • #9667
    An Ciarraioch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,806 ✭✭✭An Ciarraioch


    Beasty wrote: »
    Two points

    Those 200 probably contracted this 2-3 weeks ago

    The testing has ramped up significantly so they are catching a higher proportion of "current" cases

    We are therefore already showing pretty significant improvements

    Also, as highlighted earlier in the thread, only 60-odd of those 220 cases are in the general community.


  • #9668
    MipMap
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 435 ✭✭MipMap


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Still over 200 new cases. If we'd have been more forceful about the lockdown, made it law to wear face masks in public and imposed state quarantine for anybody entering the country I'd be confident we would have at most 20% of the cases we are getting daily by now.
    Cannot says whether your estimate of 20% is reasonable but no one could argue that these measures would have had a material and beneficial effect.


  • #9669
    igCorcaigh
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    BBC piece also says this person hasn’t a clue where he caught it and he also said he had not been abroad either. French doctors think he was infected between the 14 & 22 of December. Lends creedance to the Nov/Dec theory of the disease being in Europe at that time think.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-52526554

    Would it not have been noticed though, increased ILI cases and deaths in hospitals?


  • #9670
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    kippy wrote: »
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/13/first-covid-19-case-happened-in-november-china-government-records-show-report

    May have been in Ireland in December. A good few posters complained of flu like symptoms around late Dec/early Jan. I know the suggestion that it was Covid has been dismissed multiple times here, but i don’t think it can be ruled out due to this early French case.


  • #9671
    DevilsHaircut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 524 ✭✭✭DevilsHaircut


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I think there is a political angle. Dates are over a month ago so either they only got the story very recently and wrote it up quickly or had it a few weeks. Lot of detail in the article which seems like it wasn't a rushed job. Real Tabloid story too. Wouldn't think it would usually be Telegraph's style.

    It's handy for them in that the main point (and the reason he resigned) was because of the breach. But it gave them the opportunity to write about the relationship (open marriage - shock horror!) and get clicks.


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  • #9672
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    DevilsHaircut wrote: »
    It's handy for them in that the main point (and the reason he resigned) was because of the breach. But it gave them the opportunity to write about the relationship (open marriage - shock horror!) and get clicks.

    Yeah and you couldn't rule out dirty tricks from Johnson and/or Cummings. Will be interesting to see who replaces him and whether UK's policies change much after this.


  • #9673
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    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Would it not have been noticed though, increased ILI cases and deaths in hospitals?

    With 80% or so of people having mild cases maybe it just wasn’t picked up in time when the total number of cases were still low. Many may not have even gone to their GP and just popped a few paracetemol and waited till they were better.


  • #9674
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,150 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Just heard on RTE radio say the case definition for testing had been changed. Know they mentioned changing it later this week at health briefing but didn't think it happened already. Wonder will it lead to increase in cases?


  • #9675
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    With 80% or so of people having mild cases maybe it just wasn’t picked up in time when the total number of cases were still low. Many may not have even gone to their GP and just popped a few paracetemol and waited till they were better.

    Perhaps, just seems odd to me that this virus could have been circulating for 3 months with no noticeable clinical signal.


  • #9676
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Latest HSE data just released.

    As of 8pm, 90 patients in ICU.

    651 confirmed cases in acute hospital settings.

    Last night that was 91 patients in ICU and 680 in acute hospitals.


  • #9677
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,324 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    How can the HSE decline to make someone available to Prime Time to discuss the fact that NO ONE bar Covid patients are being screened or seen by them currently despite wide reports of hospitals being empty. We as taxpayers and voters deserve more than this, disgraceful.


  • #9678
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,690 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Testing criteria have been relaxed

    You no longer need to be in a priority group just sudden onset of symptoms

    Step in the right direction


  • #9679
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,458 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    It's the terror of knowing
    What this world is about.
    Watching some good friends screaming,
    "Let me out!"

    New thread here


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