Relaxation of restrictions Part II

I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Approx 24,657 people died today from hunger related diseases.

If western economies crash, this figure will sky rocket per day easily to 50,000. We need a healthy economy to be able to contribute and save lives all over the planet not just down the street.

Surely if you worry about UK deaths, you worry about deaths on other continents too?

We can’t test or contact trace fast enough to open up yet. But let’s say we never get to the point where we’re quick enough, I wonder how we open up then. Can’t wait forever and the testing might not ever be fast enough. They were saying 15,000 per day and now 100,000 per week which is pretty much the same thing, but it’s still taking 3 days to get results. According to them. Far longer anecdotally. And contact tracing doesn’t seem to be working or very ineffective.

The IFR May be 0.26, but that’s assuming hospital care is available for those who need it. So it’s always limited by hospital capacity. I don’t know why they don’t open up and fill the capacity rather than leaving it 2/3rds empty as it is now.

road_high wrote: »

I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage

Is she Jacinda's sister?

Nickindublin wrote: »

Dont know if they can call a budget as there is no government. The bailout for business they announced needs a new government.

Then there would and could be a major crisis even paying welfare. They won’t let that happen you’d imagine.
Emergency budget is a lot more likely after Fridays “plan” because it envisages overly long closures everywhere with the resultant large pressures for longer on state welfare.

With the announcement today of 1.2m getting the dole. Lets say what it is the dole. Then the announcement that we lost 7.5 billion in April was just the icing on the cake.

The government needs to now revisit it opening of business plan.

IMO opening of pubs wont work. It would be impossible for most pubs bar the ones who serve food or have large outdoor beer gardens. How can the publican be expected to police people without hiring security. Be honest people wont observe social distancing etc after a few drinks.

So we need to get restaurants, cafes, barbers open and allow them open longer especially at weekends. Government needs to support the business too with VAT and employers PRSI cuts not delaying payments by 12 months.

FG will do a FF and bankrupt the country. Our banks are not that healthy and have been put on negative watch. There all lending as normal but there lending nothing in all honesty. From what i hear everything is being turned down.

Nickindublin wrote: »

Who will they tax. lol

Well there isn’t anyone as we know which is why the timelines in the “plan” blew my mind so much. At a time when we haven’t a bleedin shackle they make it as hard and as long as possible for perfectly safe businesses to reopen and take people off welfare.
Paschal Donohoe is far too meek and clearly not able to face down the woke dreamers who want the perceived honour and glory of putting “lives before money”.
Only thing is that won’t put bread on the table and we are haemorrhaging cash on a daily basis

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it.

Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called.

We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes.

We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition.

Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.

Its actually much worse than this. We're now at over 50% of the working population currently receiving state employment support payments:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136475-covid19-coronavirus-industry/

There are now 598,000 people dependent on the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment,

Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme (TWSS) with more than 427,000 workers having their wages subsidised under the scheme.

These figures come on top of around 205,000 people who were already on the Live Register at the end of March.

Thats 1,230,000 people - out of the Irish workforce of 2.4 million - on payment supports. And its going up by thousands every week. And of the remaining 1,170,000 workers approx 350,000 are public servants.

All of which means we're down to about 820,000 private sector workers in this country, whos taxes now have to support the other 4.2 million Irish people.

If you're reading this and you're one of those 820,000 people... prepare for some pretty serious incoming "covid solidarity measure" taxes, which'll make the USC look like a picnic. The maths here are very, very grim.

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Not to sound like conspiracy theorists but I think at this stage we can all appreciate this virus has 0.2-0.5% mortality rate.

Is anyone concerned that Bill Gates is so keen on vaccinating entire planet? Or is the lockdown getting to me?

Despite the obstacles, Gates said: "I know it'll get done. There's simply no alternative."

"Humankind has never had a more urgent task than creating broad immunity for coronavirus," he said. "We need to make billions of doses, we need to get them out to every part of the world, and we need all of this to happen as quickly as possible.

Way too soon to know what the mortality rate is, but based on current data it is higher than that rate, and that's a rate that's generally being measured in areas with some of the best healthcare systems and wealth in the world.

One would worry if it takes hold in countries that dont have the resources we have.

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it.

Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called.

We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes.

We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition.

Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.

Yep, think we have got worst of both worlds, economy in tatters and a gruesome fatality numbers,,,but heh at least we are not doing as bad as the UK so swings and roundabouts.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Those countries have obscene death rates without Covid.
I imagine you spend all your time worrying about the 50m+ deaths each year

I'm not sure how that statement is relevant to my own.
Look at the post I responded to for the context.....
You seem to have significant issues with reading.

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it.

Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called.

We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes.

We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition.

Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.

Exactly. And if we cocooned the elderly and vulnerable the virus could have continued its progress through the less vulnerable. Allowed those to develop a resistance and ultimately protecting those cocooning. This virus has been in the community a lot longer than people know and as a result any lockdowns were too late with questionable effect. They may have even exacerbated the situation by bringing young infected people into close contact with elderly parents which seems to have happened in Italy. Even in Ireland introducing the lockdown sent thousands of potentially infected University students home to elderly parents. The (well intentioned) idea of cocooned residents in Spain applauding the health services from their balconies could have created a situation where the virus was transmitting in apartment blocks. (I have no evidence of this)

snowcat wrote: »

Exactly. And if we cocooned the elderly and vulnerable the virus could have continued its progress through the less vulnerable. Allowed those to develop a resistance and ultimately protecting those cocooning. This virus has been in the community a lot longer than people know and as a result any lockdowns were too late with questionable effect. They may have even exacerbated the situation by bringing young infected people into close contact with elderly parents which seems to have happened in Italy. Even in Ireland introducing the lockdown sent thousands of potentially infected University students home to elderly parents. The (well intentioned) idea of cocooned residents in Spain applauding the health services from their balconies could have created a situation where the virus was transmitting in apartment blocks. (I have no evidence of this)

But you still floated it out there like a fake news virus!

is_that_so wrote: »

140K construction industry to start up in just over in two weeks. I wonder will they bother with the August holidays this year?

Wouldn’t be too confident they’ll all be back and for long? How much are banks and investors going to be putting up for the next projects?
Who in their right minds would be investing in new shops, offices, gyms etc right now with the current mania? Very few I’d imagine.