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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Nickindublin

With the announcement today of 1.2m getting the dole. Lets say what it is the dole. Then the announcement that we lost 7.5 billion in April was just the icing on the cake.

The government needs to now revisit it opening of business plan.

IMO opening of pubs wont work. It would be impossible for most pubs bar the ones who serve food or have large outdoor beer gardens. How can the publican be expected to police people without hiring security. Be honest people wont observe social distancing etc after a few drinks.

So we need to get restaurants, cafes, barbers open and allow them open longer especially at weekends. Government needs to support the business too with VAT and employers PRSI cuts not delaying payments by 12 months.

FG will do a FF and bankrupt the country. Our banks are not that healthy and have been put on negative watch. There all lending as normal but there lending nothing in all honesty. From what i hear everything is being turned down.

road_high

Rodin wrote: »

Is she Jacinda's sister?

Lol!!
Either way I’d say she’s crossed off Leo’s sock list!!

road_high

Nickindublin wrote: »

Dont know if they can call a budget as there is no government. The bailout for business they announced needs a new government.

Then there would and could be a major crisis even paying welfare. They won’t let that happen you’d imagine.
Emergency budget is a lot more likely after Fridays “plan” because it envisages overly long closures everywhere with the resultant large pressures for longer on state welfare.

Nickindublin

Deleted User wrote: »

We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it.

Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called.

We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes.

We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition.

Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.

Dont know if they can call a budget as there is no government. The bailout for business they announced needs a new government.

Rodin

road_high wrote: »

I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage

Is she Jacinda's sister?

appledrop

Well I've had enough. After 5 weeks of staying 2km + following all rules I tried to bring my 3 year old to local demese which is only 3km from my house to find all the car parks closed by county council.

What an absolute joke. Yes we were going for exercise. I cant expect a 3 year old to walk there. I'll be going back tomorrow + finding a place to park on road. Enough is enough.

[Deleted User]

We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it.

Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called.

We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes.

We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition.

Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.

Naos

ixoy wrote: »

Some posters seem to want to continue the lockdown as is indefinitely, which is what I would take issue with. I've repeatedly been for a gradual re-opening. Now it's fair to ask whether the government plan is a good one or not and using other countries plans, and their successes, it's perfectly valid to ask: "Why them and why not us" and hope for an answer.

Has anyone said they want the lockdown to continue indefinitely?

From what I can gather of the 'Pro-lockdown' supporters (if you will), it's been supportive of the government measures put in place which includes all of the phasing measures.

[Deleted User]

road_high wrote: »

I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage

Lol, true and she's right. Also, what's with that guy Feargal Bowers on RTE always giving out misinformation? Again today he said the average number of new cases in Ireland over the past 5 days is about 3.5%, He's incorrect, the average over the past 5 days is 1.32%, and is 1.47% over that past 7 days.

kippy

lord quackinton wrote: »

The uk death numbers are 28734
Population of 66 million
Sweden 2854 10 million

Just get the average and round up
2500 max

Your lack of knowledge isn't astounding to anyone who has been following your posts.

What Username Guidelines

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Approx 24,657 people died today from hunger related diseases.

If western economies crash, this figure will sky rocket per day easily to 50,000. We need a healthy economy to be able to contribute and save lives all over the planet not just down the street.

Surely if you worry about UK deaths, you worry about deaths on other continents too?

We can’t test or contact trace fast enough to open up yet. But let’s say we never get to the point where we’re quick enough, I wonder how we open up then. Can’t wait forever and the testing might not ever be fast enough. They were saying 15,000 per day and now 100,000 per week which is pretty much the same thing, but it’s still taking 3 days to get results. According to them. Far longer anecdotally. And contact tracing doesn’t seem to be working or very ineffective.

The IFR May be 0.26, but that’s assuming hospital care is available for those who need it. So it’s always limited by hospital capacity. I don’t know why they don’t open up and fill the capacity rather than leaving it 2/3rds empty as it is now.

Mad_maxx

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yep. Still awful. When in reality it's the selfish, obese and unhealthy elderly that have caused it. Kids bear the full brunt of this when they are the least at risk, the least likely to acquire and the least likely to spread. Lock them all down to save Jimmy Hamburger and his 20 smokes.

kids dont vote

thats what this is all about

road_high

I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage

Breezin

More scientific support for a smarter lockdown...

From the UK Independent:
Easing the coronavirus lockdown in the UK could begin by relaxing restrictions for around 60 per cent of the population while strengthening protection for the most vulnerable people, experts have suggested.

Researchers at the University of Edinburgh believe the twin approach – known as “segmenting and shielding” – could help healthy young adults return to work while still protecting the NHS.

na1

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Did you actually read the articles or did you snobbishly dismiss them. The 'Torygraph' is a paper of record. Maybe stick to the Beano for your news.

These: new cases, total died... etc - these are mostly irrellevant, they depend on many factors.

I think these figures are actually useless, and just serve some political benefits,
what really do important is the death rate across age group

For example, need to compare:

death rate between 70-80 in the april 2019 (number of cases per 100k of this age group)
death rate between 70-80 in the april 2020 (number of cases per 100k of this age group)

This will give us an actual figures of the danger of COVID.
But do we have this stats?

the kelt

https://www.newstalk.com/news/exiting-lockdown-priority-expert-1010107?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1588684645

Makes some sensible points.

Anyone have any idea the current average waiting time for a result when tested?

Nermal

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Spectator and the Torygraph - lol

Or, if you ever bothered to read heterodox opinions, Dr. Gabriela Gomes of the Liverpool School of Tropical Medicine and David States, chief science officer of Angstrom Bio and Professor of Human Genetics at the University of Michigan.

normanoffside

KrustyUCC wrote: »

211 cases is encouraging

Hopefully we can keep the cases on a downward trend

130 of those in care homes.

Ginger n Lemon

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Spectator and the Torygraph - lol

693 deaths today in the UK and 4,404 new cases.

Approx 24,657 people died today from hunger related diseases.

If western economies crash, this figure will sky rocket per day easily to 50,000. We need a healthy economy to be able to contribute and save lives all over the planet not just down the street.

Surely if you worry about UK deaths, you worry about deaths on other continents too?

road_high

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The big problem for our finances is not the lock down, it is that key markets are closed to us.

I'm not concerned at all regarding the measures.

The most damaging thing for our economy is allowing the virus to run riot.

This will only lead to another lock down and far greater damage reputationally.

It's better to lance the boil now and keep the foot down.

Which we have done...now we are prolonging the agony from what i can figure out "just to be safe". Leo and Simon's woke ego's are very much along the lines of "saving lives before money" and no doubt Mr Varadkar is furious not to be a poster child for Covid leadership like his mirror is down in NZ. They are still hoping to pull the "we did better because we care so much" carrot out of the bag. Unnaturally long lockdown seems the simplest route to the that, with a very compliant scared public.

Cork Boy 53

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am unsure whether thats what we want. Say we get down our daily cases to 10. And then phase 2 kicks in and our daily cases will be 40. Did we just have a fourfold increase in cases?

I am fearful Leo will shut us down in that case and we will spend another 3 months on these forums all the way up to October :S

Leo may not be Taoiseach for more than another month or so but regardless I very much doubt that Micheal Martin or Eamon Ryan would go against the NPHET advice.

KrustyUCC

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am unsure whether thats what we want. Say we get down our daily cases to 10. And then phase 2 kicks in and our daily cases will be 40. Did we just have a fourfold increase in cases?

I am fearful Leo will shut us down in that case and we will spend another 3 months on these forums all the way up to October :S

Hmmm a fair point

They won't move phases unless cases are going down though as they will claim cases are too high

Vicious circle

LiquidZeb

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Spectator and the Torygraph - lol

693 deaths today in the UK and 4,404 new cases.

Did you actually read the articles or did you snobbishly dismiss them. The 'Torygraph' is a paper of record. Maybe stick to the Beano for your news.

Quantum Erasure

AdamD wrote: »

1200 posts in the Coronavirus forum, I actually think you're enjoying this.

i presume thats an ironic thanks by Ginger n Lemon? 2 day old account with over 100 posts here...

Kermit.de.frog

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-may-only-need-a-10-per-cent-infection-rate/amp

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/funds-will-vaccine-coronavirus-really-possible/

Tick tock, tick tock.

Never too late to admit we made the wrong decision.

The Spectator and the Torygraph - lol

693 deaths today in the UK and 4,404 new cases.

Ginger n Lemon

KrustyUCC wrote: »

211 cases is encouraging

Hopefully we can keep the cases on a downward trend

I am unsure whether thats what we want. Say we get down our daily cases to 10. And then phase 2 kicks in and our daily cases will be 40. Did we just have a fourfold increase in cases?

I am fearful Leo will shut us down in that case and we will spend another 3 months on these forums all the way up to October :S

na1

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The economy is going to be hit really badly regardless of a lock down.

Markets around the world are suffering. We are an open economy, we don't avoid that.

What would be even worse is having to go through the exact same thing again in a couple of months time.

Well if you don't produce anything, then regardless of "global markets" you're in trouble.
If you do produce the product and this product is needed, then you're OK, regardless of the global markets.

Nermal

Herd immunity may be achievable at much lower than 60% infection rate, perhaps as low as 10-20%:

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/herd-immunity-may-only-need-a-10-per-cent-infection-rate/amp

Speedy vaccine development is not a foregone conclusion:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/funds-will-vaccine-coronavirus-really-possible/

Tick tock, tick tock.

Never too late to admit we made the wrong decision.

[Deleted User]

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The economy is going to be hit really badly regardless of a lock down.

Markets around the world are suffering. We are an open economy, we don't avoid that.

What would be even worse is having to go through the exact same thing again in a couple of months time.

What we have here is a small group of posters who are clearly vulnerable, desperate for change. I understand that.

It does not change the facts.

We need to keep the rate of infection down as low as possible to give us the best platform later on. Then we can avoid having to implement some of the measures again.

This will lead to a much quicker recovery.

1200 posts in the Coronavirus forum, I actually think you're enjoying this.

KrustyUCC

211 cases is encouraging

Hopefully we can keep the cases on a downward trend