timmy_mallet wrote: » Yep. Still awful. When in reality it's the selfish, obese and unhealthy elderly that have caused it. Kids bear the full brunt of this when they are the least at risk, the least likely to acquire and the least likely to spread. Lock them all down to save Jimmy Hamburger and his 20 smokes.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Approx 24,657 people died today from hunger related diseases. If western economies crash, this figure will sky rocket per day easily to 50,000. We need a healthy economy to be able to contribute and save lives all over the planet not just down the street. Surely if you worry about UK deaths, you worry about deaths on other continents too?
lord quackinton wrote: » The uk death numbers are 28734 Population of 66 million Sweden 2854 10 million Just get the average and round up 2500 max
road_high wrote: » I'd say Leo and his spin unit must have been furious with the Justine Arderne references to Ireland today. Probably be a call or email heading their way, got quite a bit of coverage
ixoy wrote: » Some posters seem to want to continue the lockdown as is indefinitely, which is what I would take issue with. I've repeatedly been for a gradual re-opening. Now it's fair to ask whether the government plan is a good one or not and using other countries plans, and their successes, it's perfectly valid to ask: "Why them and why not us" and hope for an answer.
Deleted User wrote: » We’ve gone from close to 100% employment to over 20% unemployed and relying on state benefits. More and more people need the Covid payment but we are running out of money to pay it. Don’t be surprised if an emergency budget is called. We’ll be told we all need to come together, by paying way more taxes. We haven’t even saved a life. We’re only delaying a virus with no vaccine. Most of those people we are saving will probably still get the virus and die anyways, just a bit later. And then we have all the deaths of the recession in addition. Cocooning the hell out of the elders and getting back to normality would have been the way to go.
Nickindublin wrote: » Dont know if they can call a budget as there is no government. The bailout for business they announced needs a new government.
Rodin wrote: » Is she Jacinda's sister?
road_high wrote: » Then there would and could be a major crisis even paying welfare. They won’t let that happen you’d imagine. Emergency budget is a lot more likely after Fridays “plan” because it envisages overly long closures everywhere with the resultant large pressures for longer on state welfare.
Nickindublin wrote: » Who will they tax. lol
There are now 598,000 people dependent on the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment, Temporary Wage Subsidy Scheme (TWSS) with more than 427,000 workers having their wages subsidised under the scheme. These figures come on top of around 205,000 people who were already on the Live Register at the end of March.
Ginger n Lemon wrote: » Not to sound like conspiracy theorists but I think at this stage we can all appreciate this virus has 0.2-0.5% mortality rate. Is anyone concerned that Bill Gates is so keen on vaccinating entire planet? Or is the lockdown getting to me? Despite the obstacles, Gates said: "I know it'll get done. There's simply no alternative." "Humankind has never had a more urgent task than creating broad immunity for coronavirus," he said. "We need to make billions of doses, we need to get them out to every part of the world, and we need all of this to happen as quickly as possible.
Blut2 wrote: » Its actually much worse than this. We're now at over 50% of the working population currently receiving state employment support payments:https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0505/1136475-covid19-coronavirus-industry/ Thats 1,230,000 people - out of the Irish workforce of 2.4 million - on payment supports. And its going up by thousands every week. And of the remaining 1,170,000 workers approx 350,000 are public servants. All of which means we're down to about 820,000 private sector workers in this country, whos taxes now have to support the other 4.2 million Irish people. If you're reading this and you're one of those 820,000 people... prepare for some pretty serious incoming "covid solidarity measure" taxes, which'll make the USC look like a picnic. The maths here are very, very grim.
kippy wrote: » One would worry if it takes hold in countries that dont have the resources we have.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » Those countries have obscene death rates without Covid. I imagine you spend all your time worrying about the 50m+ deaths each year
Nickindublin wrote: » With the announcement today of 1.2m getting the dole. Lets say what it is the dole. Then the announcement that we lost 7.5 billion in April was just the icing on the cake. The government needs to now revisit it opening of business plan. IMO opening of pubs wont work. It would be impossible for most pubs bar the ones who serve food or have large outdoor beer gardens. How can the publican be expected to police people without hiring security. Be honest people wont observe social distancing etc after a few drinks. So we need to get restaurants, cafes, barbers open and allow them open longer especially at weekends. Government needs to support the business too with VAT and employers PRSI cuts not delaying payments by 12 months. FG will do a FF and bankrupt the country. Our banks are not that healthy and have been put on negative watch. There all lending as normal but there lending nothing in all honesty. From what i hear everything is being turned down.
FintanMcluskey wrote: » So only 820k people are feeding the county right now. I think we know why the restriction favouritism is so strong among so many.
snowcat wrote: » Exactly. And if we cocooned the elderly and vulnerable the virus could have continued its progress through the less vulnerable. Allowed those to develop a resistance and ultimately protecting those cocooning. This virus has been in the community a lot longer than people know and as a result any lockdowns were too late with questionable effect. They may have even exacerbated the situation by bringing young infected people into close contact with elderly parents which seems to have happened in Italy. Even in Ireland introducing the lockdown sent thousands of potentially infected University students home to elderly parents. The (well intentioned) idea of cocooned residents in Spain applauding the health services from their balconies could have created a situation where the virus was transmitting in apartment blocks. (I have no evidence of this)
is_that_so wrote: » 140K construction industry to start up in just over in two weeks. I wonder will they bother with the August holidays this year?
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