Relaxation of restrictions Part II

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm not your friend buddy, I'm just saying that you seem fairly cavalier about a recession that could **** over a lot of people. I guess when people lose their jobs and homes you'll tell them to stop whining too because after all youve graduated from the school of life you manly man.

Well I certainly wont take that personally ...

Simply pointing out that some of the extreme moaners and groaners as evidenced above in a couple of comments need to get their heads out of their everlasting doomsday scenario. Yes things will get rough. We all know that. And yes I know because I've experienced the harsh reality of recession more than once. And no I'm not insulated from it - but I'm not an outright pessimist like some. But you know what whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic let us remember things will get better. And that's without a doubt.

Sorry you dont like others pointing that out....

Mad_maxx

jmayo wrote: »

I am fooking tired of this shyte about how the younger generations have it so such more difficult.

Younger generations, anyone that was born after mid 1980s have for the most part has had the option of staying in this state.
A fooking option not afforded to most people of previous generations.
Yes there was downturn after construction bubble burst, but it seemed to afford a fair share a chance to go on almighty p**sup in Australia.

Younger generations have enjoyed unknown advantages never before experienced by most people born in this state.
Talk to older generations and find out how they had to travel to find a job and a life, not a fooking stag weekend or a post exam pi**up.

Most people of older generations, the ones that some now want to see sacrificed to this disease, did not have access to second level education never mind fooking third level.
Now almost everyone gets a shot at some third level or other.

And another thing that a fair few of our older generations had to suffer was war because when they did emigrate some of them ended up in foreign armies fighting a real war.
Some made the ultimate sacrifice for not alone their adopted country, but also the world as a whole.

But some of the fookers today see the fact they can't go out and down the pub as the ultimate sacrifice.

we can all play that game , anyone born in the 1940,s lived like a king compared to someone born in ireland in the 1840,s

your post is nothing but well dressed whataboutery


the over seventies should have been ringfenced by force and if some of them either through stupidity or pig headedness , decided to break curfew , had no one to blame but themselves , ditto for those with respitory conditions , the government completely dropped the ball with regard the nursing homes , it was a blindingly obvious hotspot , dont however try and pretend that the shut everything down approach was about anything but trying to stay on side with an extremely powerful political demographic, had the elderly been singled out for clampdown , joe duffy would have been doing liveline for twelve hours each day , the wailing about how the elderly were being treated differently would have been too much for the government to bear so the rest of us had to join the whole life in limbo thing for three months , it was about making no one feel different

the government were told that the elderly were most at risk and then fearful that the rest of the population would pass it on and the headlines would read " government kills granny " , decided to kneecap the entire economy rather than surgically focus on the very specific vulnerable demographic

VonLuck

VonLuck wrote: »

Sorry, got my dates mixed up. Is that set in stone or is it possible they will bring it forward?

He's (Varadkar) already left it open to change and I doubt very much it will be brought forward unless they cop on the fact that by then that financially we're in a spot of bother for a while. Also, think about it, they're about to go into power with the Greens and commit to a 7% year on year reduction in carbon emissions and all the associated cost and now this mess to pay for. They need to be working on some serious shake up.

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Well I certainly wont take that personally ...

Simply pointing out that some of the extreme moaners and groaners as evidenced above in a couple of comments need to get their heads out of their everlasting doomsday scenario. Yes things will get rough. We all know that. And yes I know because I've experienced the harsh reality of recession more than once. And no I'm not insulated from it - but I'm not an outright pessimist like some. But you know what whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic let us remember things will get better. And that's without a doubt.

Sorry you dont like others pointing that out....

Right so can people use the power of positivity to pay their mortgages and grocery bill in the meantime?

Nermal

"Full lockdown policies in Western Europe countries have no evident impacts on the COVID-19 epidemic."

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20078717v1

Media silence.

Mathematically illiterate scaremongering about mysterious childhood illnesses? Hold the front page.

https://twitter.com/AlexBerenson/status/1257718094232985600

Cork Boy 53

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

All the while other world leaders use Ireland as an example to its frustrated citizens as a ridiculously slow method of easing restrictions.

Enjoy the outdoors, or we will lock ya in for months like those poor children in Ireland!!

Really? Apart from the NZ PM what other world leaders have made statements such as these?

lord quackinton

jmayo wrote: »

Are you a bit .... never mind I think I know the answer. :rolleyes:

I am tired of trying to point out the obvious here, but a huge chunk of little old Ireland's economy that you and your cohorts keep chom[ing at the bit to save is outside of our control.

A huge chunk of our effort goes on export related stuff you know.
If the rest of the world is in some sort of lockdown what do you expect to do with the stuff we produce ?
We can slaughter a sh** load of animals just in case the Brits open up McDonalds or the French fancy some extra lamb.
Sure everyone out in the world will be investing in new stuff.

And another huge chunk of our economy is based on tourism and visitors to this state.
What the fook is a hotel in Killarney going to do when there is no one there, well apart from the nations heroes such as yourself. :rolleyes:
What the fook will all those tourist attractions like the Guinnes Hopstore, etc do when it is only yourself and the people like you that are bothering to visit.
If we open the economy as you claim what are the staff in Aer Lingus and Ryanair going to do ?
I guess the pilots can taxi around the airport or maybe even do a few circuits for a laugh.

Yes we can open building sites to start building again.
We can open hardware shops, garden centres, hell even the pubs, but all of that is really consumer spending.
And a lot of consumers have bigger issues than buying unnecessary shyte or going out.

But anyway it is probably a waste of time explaining some things.
We should all open away and fook the old.
Oh and the healthcare professionals as well.

Sure isn't it all a big conspiracy. :rolleyes:

I hate doing this but you have not got a clue
None of your post makes any sense unless you have not and assume you will never be affected by this lockdown
Public servant? Teacher? HSE admin?
My guess is teacher

Before I answer your full post I will need your job title and employer please?
I am an accountant and have already posted my job and salary will not be affected by this, I come here with clean hands and honesty
A lot of posters like yourself who back the lockdown will not give their job title and employer because once they did the cat would be out of the bag and they would be seen as the hypocrites that they are

Job title and employer please
Then I will explain to you why your post is wrong

The chan chan man

Do many people realise..the level of risk and the consequences of getting Covid are exactly the same as they were 8 weeks ago.

The relaxation of restrictions means we have room for you in ICU at the moment - that’s all!

Some people acting like the government have negotiated with the virus and won!

normanoffside

lord quackinton wrote: »

I hate doing this but you have not got a clue
None of your post makes any sense unless you have not and assume you will never be affected by this lockdown
Public servant? Teacher? HSE admin?
My guess is teacher

Before I answer your full post I will need your job title and employer please?
I am an accountant and have already posted my job and salary will not be affected by this, I come here with clean hands and honesty
A lot of posters like yourself who back the lockdown will not give their job title and employer because once they did the cat would be out of the bag and they would be seen as the hypocrites that they are

Job title and employer please
Then I will explain to you why your post is wrong

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Lock-down Merchant

1. Long term unemployed happy with their welfare and delighted that hundreds of thousands of people are now forced to live like them,
2. Civil servants with cushy jobs in terms of pay, workloads and security.
3. Hypochondriacs

stephenjmcd

Latest HSE data just released.

As of 8pm, 90 patients in ICU.

651 confirmed cases in acute hospital settings.

Last night that was 91 patients in ICU and 680 in acute hospitals

FintanMcluskey

The chan chan man wrote: »

Do many people realise..the level of risk and the consequences of getting Covid are exactly the same as they were 8 weeks ago.

Yeah predominantly dangerous to end of life and terminally ill in nursing home settings. Most of the general population are asymptomatic

gozunda

Mad_maxx wrote: »

we can all play that game , anyone born in the 1940,s lived like a king compared to someone born in ireland in the 1840, your post is nothing but well dressed whataboutery the over seventies should have been ringfenced by force and if some of them either through stupidity or pig headedness , decided to break curfew , had no one to blame but themselves , ditto for those with respitory conditions , the government completely dropped the ball with regard the nursing homes , it was a blindingly obvious hotspot , dont however try and pretend that the shut everything down approach was about anything but trying to stay on side with an extremely powerful political demographic the government were told that the elderly were most at risk and then fearful that the rest of the population would pass it on and the headlines would read " government kills granny " , decided to kneecap the entire economy

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings. The same problems exist in other countries. It is not unique to Ireland in case you think it is..

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the current pandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Latest HSE data just released.

As of 8pm, 90 patients in ICU.

651 confirmed cases in acute hospital settings.

Last night that was 91 patients in ICU and 680 in acute hospitals

And according to Prime Time just now, despite hospitals at 20% capacity, waiting lists for non-covid treatments have been put back 3 months.
Private patients with operations cancelled.
Cancer and other screenings and treatments have been effectively stopped.

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

CruelSummer

The chan chan man wrote: »

Do many people realise..the level of risk and the consequences of getting Covid are exactly the same as they were 8 weeks ago.

The relaxation of restrictions means we have room for you in ICU at the moment - that’s all!

Some people acting like the government have negotiated with the virus and won!

Or...the death rate is actually approx 0.5% and most people have probably had it as it’s actually been around for longer than stated. The risks are not the same as we know more now than we did then thanks to mass testing in Iceland, Germany and New York.

FintanMcluskey

normanoffside wrote: »

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

Minimum. The surgeries cancelled arent ear pinning or rhinoplasty. Its life threatening delay's to treatment and diagnosis

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings.

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the currentvpandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings.

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the currentvpandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

mooseknunkle

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

easypazz

2 medics on Ivan Yates now slagging off the farce of a plan.

And now outlining all the people who will die due to no cancer screening etc.

Saying more will die due to not being screening than will die of covid.

And it will be far younger people with dependent children etc. too.

road_high

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

Yes it’s not RTE!

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Anti Restriction Merchants

1. Moaners and groaners who delight in the fact that they can preach doomsday scenarios all day long

2. Sinn Fein type party bots who wish to spread ****e and political dissent ...

3. General ****e stirrers

FYP

easypazz

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

Open the fcuking country.

Have social distancing.

Lots of testing.

Protect the vulnerable groups.

Quit the scaremongering.

FintanMcluskey

easypazz wrote: »

2 medics on Ivan Yates now slagging off the farce of a plan.

And now outlining all the people who will die due to no cancer screening etc.

Saying more will die due to not being screening than will die of covid.

And it will be far younger people with dependent children etc. too.

Yep.
But I'm sure those will be counted as "undiagnosed Covid deaths?

mooseknunkle

road_high wrote: »

Yes it’s not RTE!

He's right this needs to be challenged,no reason why car showrooms,tennis,golf and hairdressers cant be open today.

SusieBlue

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Minimum. The surgeries cancelled arent ear pinning or rhinoplasty. Its life threatening delay's to treatment and diagnosis

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

stephenjmcd

normanoffside wrote: »

And according to Prime Time just now, despite hospitals at 20% capacity, waiting lists for non-covid treatments have been put back 3 months.
Private patients with operations cancelled.
Cancer and other screenings and treatments have been effectively stopped.

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

Likewise just said on virgin media tonight show. Consultant from mater private saying he has no doubt the death toll from non covid illnesses that weren't diagnosed in this period will be higher than covid deaths.

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

Open the fcuking country.

Have social distancing.

Lots of testing.

Protect the vulnerable groups.

Quit the scaremongering.

Is that what the professor on the Tonight show is saying or is this just more of your usual ranting?

road_high

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He's right this needs to be challenged,no reason why car showrooms,tennis,golf and hairdressers cant be open today.

Absolutely

PmMeUrDogs

normanoffside wrote: »

And according to Prime Time just now, despite hospitals at 20% capacity, waiting lists for non-covid treatments have been put back 3 months.
Private patients with operations cancelled.
Cancer and other screenings and treatments have been effectively stopped.

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.


Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Right so can people use the power of positivity to pay their mortgages and grocery bill in the meantime?

Yeah 'cos that what was said lol. A poor try my non friend. That said a little bit of positivity is a hell of a lot better attitude and knowing things will get better - whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic - than the sackcloth and ashes that some here are peddling as anti establishment horse manure ...