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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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  • #7742
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    hmmm wrote: »
    We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

    We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

    Months. 5 months if their National Blueprint for Bankruptcy gets its way. National insanity- hopefully we have a full emergency budget soon from the consequences- it will soften a lot of coughs I can tell you.


  • #7743
    JoeA3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,550 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

    None of that is enforceable by law either. It is all purely advisory which seems to sail over a lot of heads.

    So when I saw Tubs asking Leo if its "ok" for over 70's to go shopping now and Leo says no it's not, my eyes rolled into the back of my skull. Farce.


  • #7744
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

    I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
    We are all in a lockdown.
    Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
    Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
    Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
    International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
    We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

    If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?


  • #7745
    lord quackinton
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭lord quackinton


    hmmm wrote: »
    We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

    We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

    Can you explain your maths behind
    A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
    10% of over 65 is about 65,000
    We have 1,319 deaths in total

    Thanks


  • #7746
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 8,647 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

    Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp


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  • #7747
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

    Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp

    Hope all business come out like this this week- they must do it- if it's left up to cautious non business types like Harris and co they might as well start calling in the receivers and sorting redundancies asap.


  • #7748
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    lord quackinton wrote: »
    Can you explain your maths behind
    A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
    10% of over 65 is about 65,000
    We have 1,319 deaths in total

    Thanks

    Was just about to post something similar. That some baloney about 10% its more like 0.2%.


  • #7749
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    sterz wrote: »
    How quickly your mind changed in just over 24 hours.

    Totally different situations and you know it.


  • #7750
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.

    Not just weddings but any kind of marriage atm.


  • #7751
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    hmmm wrote: »
    What's unclear about it? Exercise within 5k, and later 20k.

    No unessential journeys. If it's an essential journey you can go as far as you need to go.

    They are saying you can drive 5k to your exercise I think.

    Drive to further away chipper, walk around the block to exercise, collect food, no rule broken.


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  • #7752
    cadaliac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
    We are all in a lockdown.
    Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
    Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
    Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
    International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
    We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

    If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?
    Martial law.
    You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.


  • #7753
    SusieBlue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    cadaliac wrote: »
    Martial law.
    You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.

    It seems some people wouldn’t be happy to consider this a lockdown unless the army were performing roadside executions on anyone found to be more than 2.1km from their homes :rolleyes:


  • #7754
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    Hair dressers opened in Spain yesterday.

    164 died there yesterday.


  • #7755
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
    We are all in a lockdown.
    Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
    Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
    Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
    International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
    We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

    If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

    Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping with tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rules. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.


  • #7756
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Was just about to post something similar. That some baloney about 10% its more like 0.2%.
    Right. There's obviously a difference between the death rate following a lockdown, and what it would have been if we left it spread uncontrollably.

    But - you know that.


  • #7757
    sterz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭sterz


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Totally different situations and you know it.

    It really isn't. If people took your advice from today then the roads would suddenly become busier, meaning that you wouldn't be able to pass on your 'fair play' compliment to all.


  • #7758
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    easypazz wrote: »
    They are saying you can drive 5k to your exercise I think.
    It's still walking or cycling to 5k.

    Driving only for essential journeys.


  • #7759
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,858 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    hmmm wrote: »
    Right. There's obviously a difference between the death rate following a lockdown, and what it would have been if we left it spread uncontrollably.

    But - you know that.

    So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?


  • #7760
    LiquidZeb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,254 ✭✭✭LiquidZeb


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping of tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rule. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

    For some reason I imagine you had a throbbing erection while writing that.


  • #7761
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    road_high wrote: »
    So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?
    A quick google will tell you Covid death rate by age. I said nothing about 65 year olds, don't know where you came up with that.

    https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-group-italy/

    https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/


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  • #7762
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,978 ✭✭✭growleaves


    So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?

    He's saying that without a lockdown, they would have perished.

    10% of Ireland's over-65 populations is roughly 64,000 people.

    In Sweden, where over-65s make up a larger share of the overall population (20%), you're talking roughly 206,000 people dead if 10% of over-65s were to perish.


  • #7763
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    hmmm wrote: »
    It's still walking or cycling to 5k.

    Driving only for essential journeys.

    Not the way I picked it up on RTE earlier.

    Your argument is childish and silly anyway.

    I have never seen any official guidance to say you can't pass a chinese which is open to go to one further away.

    I pass my local shop and go to a shop 15km away, pass a checkpoint every time and never been told to turn back.


  • #7764
    splashuum
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 519 ✭✭✭splashuum


    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd26a8-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-10-august/#work

    Government forcing businesses (who can do so) to continue working from home even after August 10th.


  • #7765
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    easypazz wrote: »
    I have never seen any official guidance to say you can't pass a chinese which is open to go to one further away.
    To be honest I think with this whole pandemic thing the government never got around to issuing official guidance on Chinese takeaways. Another oversight I guess. Probably New Zealand did.


  • #7766
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,621 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping with tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rules. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

    No thats a film or fantasy of yours you are describing.

    This is as strict a lockdown as Ireland could implement.


  • #7767
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    As of 8pm tonight there are now 91 confirmed cases in ICU.
    0 COVID-19 Deaths in Critical Care Units during previous 24hrs (8am to 8am) – update at 10am daily.

    680 confirmed cases in hosptial


  • #7768
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    splashuum wrote: »
    https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd26a8-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-10-august/#work

    Government forcing businesses (who can do so) to continue working from home even after August 10th.

    Which completely contradicts itself. If offices can open 10th August they will, be up to them to decide or give staff the option of working from home or not.

    I'll be back in soon as my office reopens


  • #7769
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    hmmm wrote: »
    To be honest I think with this whole pandemic thing the government never got around to issuing official guidance on Chinese takeaways. Another oversight I guess. Probably New Zealand did.

    You made it up then. Thought so.


  • #7770
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,398 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Why are there people saying we haven't been in lockdown? Of course we have.

    Ok fair enough it hasn't been a Wuhan style "weld the doors shut" type lockdown but for all intents and purposes it's been a lockdown.

    Who cares what term is used? The lads on here that are constantly crying about posters using the term lockdown need to get a life.


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  • #7771
    easypazz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,346 ✭✭✭easypazz


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    As of 8pm tonight there are now 91 confirmed cases in ICU.
    0 COVID-19 Deaths in Critical Care Units during previous 24hrs (8am to 8am) – update at 10am daily.

    680 confirmed cases in hosptial

    Is that down from 900 in hospital yesterday.

    Need to see new cases go down next.


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