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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Cork Boy 53

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping with tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rules. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

easypazz

Hair dressers opened in Spain yesterday.

164 died there yesterday.

SusieBlue

cadaliac wrote: »

Martial law.
You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.

It seems some people wouldn’t be happy to consider this a lockdown unless the army were performing roadside executions on anyone found to be more than 2.1km from their homes :rolleyes:

cadaliac

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

Martial law.
You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.

easypazz

hmmm wrote: »

What's unclear about it? Exercise within 5k, and later 20k.

No unessential journeys. If it's an essential journey you can go as far as you need to go.

They are saying you can drive 5k to your exercise I think.

Drive to further away chipper, walk around the block to exercise, collect food, no rule broken.

growleaves

Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.

Not just weddings but any kind of marriage atm.

niallo27

sterz wrote: »

How quickly your mind changed in just over 24 hours.

Totally different situations and you know it.

FintanMcluskey

lord quackinton wrote: »

Can you explain your maths behind
A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
10% of over 65 is about 65,000
We have 1,319 deaths in total

Thanks

Was just about to post something similar. That some baloney about 10% its more like 0.2%.

road_high

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp

Hope all business come out like this this week- they must do it- if it's left up to cautious non business types like Harris and co they might as well start calling in the receivers and sorting redundancies asap.

[Deleted User]

I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp

lord quackinton

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Can you explain your maths behind
A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
10% of over 65 is about 65,000
We have 1,319 deaths in total

Thanks

SusieBlue

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

JoeA3

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

None of that is enforceable by law either. It is all purely advisory which seems to sail over a lot of heads.

So when I saw Tubs asking Leo if its "ok" for over 70's to go shopping now and Leo says no it's not, my eyes rolled into the back of my skull. Farce.

road_high

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Months. 5 months if their National Blueprint for Bankruptcy gets its way. National insanity- hopefully we have a full emergency budget soon from the consequences- it will soften a lot of coughs I can tell you.

[Deleted User]

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks months, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Lets get that right now

sterz

niallo27 wrote: »

We had a family bbq today, first time seeing each other in weeks. Father sad in the jeep eating his burger. Families stayed apart within reason. I'd recommend it, be responsible. This 5km thing is horse****

How quickly your mind changed in just over 24 hours.

niallo27 wrote:

Had to drive to cork today from limerick for an emergency. There is absolutely nobody on the road, its eery. I stopped on the motorway to close the boot properly. 3 minutes and not one car passed. Fair play to people, nobody is out.

road_high

seamusk84 wrote: »

Right so to be clear: This weekend I can't hop in the car to spin out within the 5 KM radius for an unnecessary journey to my favorite restaurant because they are other closer by yes?

Unnecessary journeys still off the cards even within a 5km radius until 20th July.

This is some clusterf**k

That one is nanny state piss take stuff. It's like "we can get away with this kind of pointless nonsense so let's really keep them in their box". Are we the only country keeping this Level rubbish for 4 months?
I hope FG have a severe economic shock to deal with. they'd brought much of it on themselves if this idiotic Blueprint for Bankruptcy is followed to the letter.
Unemployment will stay at circa 25% for quite a while and the drain on national finances ferocious. I can't believe Ivan Yates is the only one highlighting the absurdity?

niallo27

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

How would you enforce a stricter lockdown. We do not have the army or police to do it plus our deaths are way down or r number is way down, why would you want to.

hmmm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I'm using an example to illustrate the point that none of this is clear enough. Jeeze, this is why it a always a risk to post on the Covid forums these days....

What's unclear about it? Exercise within 5k, and later 20k.

No unessential journeys. If it's an essential journey you can go as far as you need to go.

lord quackinton

JoeA3 wrote: »

Same here. We've decided amongst ourselves that enough's enough, we've done our bit and with this weather, we saw no reason not to do likewise.

It makes me happy to read posts like yours and niall27
I hope ye had great days
Spread the word
The economy and our mental well being do matter

JoeA3

cadaliac wrote: »

so its all ok to breach social distancing now? Is that what you are saying?

You can do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

seamusk84

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

I'm using an example to illustrate the point that none of this is clear enough. Jeeze, this is why it a always a risk to post on the Covid forums these days....

Cork Boy 53

niallo27 wrote: »

We are in full lockdown. Nothing is open. This country can not enforce any stricter of a lockdown.

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups has been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

hmmm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I go back to my earlier thoughts that I can't go to a takeaway I like better than one that is closer to me tomorrow even if it is withing the 5km radius.

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

JMNolan

That's the danger of having a plan that is so long to execute, the majority will use their own judgement to decide what to do. Especially when we see Italy, France, Spain and the rest of Europe opening up as we speak. No one has explained why we are so different to the rest of Europe.

cadaliac

niallo27 wrote: »

Nobody said anything about breaching social distancing

ok - if so, I stand corrected

seamusk84

KrustyUCC wrote: »

sure but the caveat about essential journeys remains the same AFAIK

But sure if that's the case the extension to 20 km is also completely useless on 8th June.

I mean an essential journey is an essential journey so it doesn't matter the distance. If the increases from 2 to 5 to 20 are for exercise only. Who is going to be running or cycling in a straight line out to 20km from their house and back.

This doesn't make any sense.

I go back to my earlier thoughts that I can't go to a takeaway I like better than one that is closer to me tomorrow, even if it is within the 5km radius.

niallo27

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully not everyone decides to make up their own rules or we'll be back to a full lockdown before long. A few weeks ago it was "clap for carers", now it's "we're all having a bbq" and "I know a barber who will let you in if you know the special knock".

We are in full lockdown. Nothing is open. This country can not enforce any stricter of a lockdown.

Benimar

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully not everyone decides to make up their own rules or we'll be back to a full lockdown before long. A few weeks ago it was "clap for carers", now it's "we're all having a bbq" and "I know a barber who will let you in if you know the special knock".

A lot of lads who have ‘done their bit’ will be relying on the majority to keep doing their bit so their selfishness doesn’t land us back in the sh1t.

niallo27

cadaliac wrote: »

so its all ok to breach social distancing now? Is that what you are saying?

Nobody said anything about breaching social distancing