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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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road_high

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Months. 5 months if their National Blueprint for Bankruptcy gets its way. National insanity- hopefully we have a full emergency budget soon from the consequences- it will soften a lot of coughs I can tell you.

JoeA3

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

None of that is enforceable by law either. It is all purely advisory which seems to sail over a lot of heads.

So when I saw Tubs asking Leo if its "ok" for over 70's to go shopping now and Leo says no it's not, my eyes rolled into the back of my skull. Farce.

SusieBlue

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

lord quackinton

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Can you explain your maths behind
A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
10% of over 65 is about 65,000
We have 1,319 deaths in total

Thanks

[Deleted User]

I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp

road_high

Deleted User wrote: »

I think the vintners plan for reopening is reasonable.

Can see no justification why restaurant's can open but pubs can't.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-live-music-no-standing-at-the-bar-publicans-lay-out-plans-for-opening-up-before-august-1.4244523?mode=amp

Hope all business come out like this this week- they must do it- if it's left up to cautious non business types like Harris and co they might as well start calling in the receivers and sorting redundancies asap.

FintanMcluskey

lord quackinton wrote: »

Can you explain your maths behind
A pandemic which is killing 10% of our over 70s - your words
10% of over 65 is about 65,000
We have 1,319 deaths in total

Thanks

Was just about to post something similar. That some baloney about 10% its more like 0.2%.

niallo27

sterz wrote: »

How quickly your mind changed in just over 24 hours.

Totally different situations and you know it.

growleaves

Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.

Not just weddings but any kind of marriage atm.

easypazz

hmmm wrote: »

What's unclear about it? Exercise within 5k, and later 20k.

No unessential journeys. If it's an essential journey you can go as far as you need to go.

They are saying you can drive 5k to your exercise I think.

Drive to further away chipper, walk around the block to exercise, collect food, no rule broken.

cadaliac

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

Martial law.
You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.

SusieBlue

cadaliac wrote: »

Martial law.
You are correct, this is an "Irish" lock down.

It seems some people wouldn’t be happy to consider this a lockdown unless the army were performing roadside executions on anyone found to be more than 2.1km from their homes :rolleyes:

easypazz

Hair dressers opened in Spain yesterday.

164 died there yesterday.

Cork Boy 53

SusieBlue wrote: »

I’m so sick of seeing posts denying the severity of the current restrictions.
We are all in a lockdown.
Shops, restaurants, hotels, bars, hairdressers and all other non essential businesses are closed.
Schools, crèches and colleges are closed.
Weddings, communions, confirmations, christenings, concerts and sporting events all cancelled for the foreseeable future.
International travel except for essential reasons not allowed.
We aren’t allowed meet with friends or family, and we aren’t allowed leave our house unless it’s to get groceries/medicine and we can only go within 2km of our homes for light exercise.

If that isn’t a lockdown, what is it?

Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping with tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rules. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

hmmm

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Was just about to post something similar. That some baloney about 10% its more like 0.2%.

Right. There's obviously a difference between the death rate following a lockdown, and what it would have been if we left it spread uncontrollably.

But - you know that.

sterz

niallo27 wrote: »

Totally different situations and you know it.

It really isn't. If people took your advice from today then the roads would suddenly become busier, meaning that you wouldn't be able to pass on your 'fair play' compliment to all.

hmmm

easypazz wrote: »

They are saying you can drive 5k to your exercise I think.

It's still walking or cycling to 5k.

Driving only for essential journeys.

road_high

hmmm wrote: »

Right. There's obviously a difference between the death rate following a lockdown, and what it would have been if we left it spread uncontrollably.

But - you know that.

So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?

LiquidZeb

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping of tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rule. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

For some reason I imagine you had a throbbing erection while writing that.

hmmm

road_high wrote: »

So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?

A quick google will tell you Covid death rate by age. I said nothing about 65 year olds, don't know where you came up with that.

https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1106372/coronavirus-death-rate-by-age-group-italy/

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/

growleaves

So what of your 10% death rate figures for over 65s?

He's saying that without a lockdown, they would have perished.

10% of Ireland's over-65 populations is roughly 64,000 people.

In Sweden, where over-65s make up a larger share of the overall population (20%), you're talking roughly 206,000 people dead if 10% of over-65s were to perish.

easypazz

hmmm wrote: »

It's still walking or cycling to 5k.

Driving only for essential journeys.

Not the way I picked it up on RTE earlier.

Your argument is childish and silly anyway.

I have never seen any official guidance to say you can't pass a chinese which is open to go to one further away.

I pass my local shop and go to a shop 15km away, pass a checkpoint every time and never been told to turn back.

splashuum

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd26a8-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-10-august/#work

Government forcing businesses (who can do so) to continue working from home even after August 10th.

hmmm

easypazz wrote: »

I have never seen any official guidance to say you can't pass a chinese which is open to go to one further away.

To be honest I think with this whole pandemic thing the government never got around to issuing official guidance on Chinese takeaways. Another oversight I guess. Probably New Zealand did.

FintanMcluskey

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

Not being allowed to leave your house even for groceries or medicine without official permission, zero exercise allowed, compulsory microchipping with tracking devices, regular military patrols on the ground, drone surveillance, strict enforcement of fines and /or jail sentences for anyone found to be in breach of the rules. And the list of real lockdown measures could go on.

No thats a film or fantasy of yours you are describing.

This is as strict a lockdown as Ireland could implement.

stephenjmcd

As of 8pm tonight there are now 91 confirmed cases in ICU.
0 COVID-19 Deaths in Critical Care Units during previous 24hrs (8am to 8am) – update at 10am daily.

680 confirmed cases in hosptial

stephenjmcd

splashuum wrote: »

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/dd26a8-easing-the-covid-19-restrictions-on-10-august/#work

Government forcing businesses (who can do so) to continue working from home even after August 10th.

Which completely contradicts itself. If offices can open 10th August they will, be up to them to decide or give staff the option of working from home or not.

I'll be back in soon as my office reopens

easypazz

hmmm wrote: »

To be honest I think with this whole pandemic thing the government never got around to issuing official guidance on Chinese takeaways. Another oversight I guess. Probably New Zealand did.

You made it up then. Thought so.

Deeper Blue

Why are there people saying we haven't been in lockdown? Of course we have.

Ok fair enough it hasn't been a Wuhan style "weld the doors shut" type lockdown but for all intents and purposes it's been a lockdown.

Who cares what term is used? The lads on here that are constantly crying about posters using the term lockdown need to get a life.

easypazz

stephenjmcd wrote: »

As of 8pm tonight there are now 91 confirmed cases in ICU.
0 COVID-19 Deaths in Critical Care Units during previous 24hrs (8am to 8am) – update at 10am daily.

680 confirmed cases in hosptial

Is that down from 900 in hospital yesterday.

Need to see new cases go down next.