Relaxation of restrictions Part II

KrustyUCC

Skyfloater wrote: »

Was any reason given why we have to wait another two weeks until the 18th before building sites, garden centres and DIY stores open?
What quantifiable thing is supposed to happen between now and the 18th?

They don't have the testing capability yet

They might never get there

We've been promised 100,000 tests a week since March from Harris

They weren't ready so we get a sop of over 70s been allowed out and an extension of 3km exercise for 2 more weeks of extended lockdown before they even start phase 1

ChelseaRentBoy

NIMAN wrote: »

And surprisingly there was no news of large number of supermarket staff getting ill.

I have visited the same supermarket since all this began, and every single employee is still working from what I can see. So none got sick. I have used it for years and I'd know the faces who work there.

Well our local supermarket which one of our neighbours works in had several staff out sick in the middle of April with the virus. 2 confirmed cases and 6 suspected all had to isolate and they are using caution and not letting them back until next week.

It's not the kind of thing you are going to hear supermarkets shouting from the roof tops about as it would be bad for business either so i'd say it's not the only cluster in shops.

retro:electro

retro:electro wrote: »

It’s the lack of it being challenged in the mainstream is what I can’t understand. The timeline seems to have swallowed up wholesale by most in the public eye. Nobody seems to be questioning why TF we have three more months of this ahead of us while the rest of Europe is lifting restrictions left right and centre. A few more weeks, yeah grand. Three more months being dragged out while the rest of the world is moving on is fcuking torturous and nonsensical

agree...........no reason whatsoever not to open garden centres this weekend. Many I know were preparing for opening over this weekend, all displays well spaced out, social distancing stickers on the floors, perspect screens at checkouts, only to have their plans dashed by Leo on the Late Late Show on Friday, many Spring plants being dumped as they will be past their best in 2 weeks.

Its unbelievable that they weren't allowed open and if I was an owner of one I would be on to every media outlet and local politician tomorrow to get some answers !! If Lidl, Aldi, Choice and Dealz are open, then garden centres should be too! Its nonsense at this stage saying only essential items when you can buy BBQ's and deck chairs with your weekly shopping in Lidl!

storker

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am judging NPHET expertise, and my judgement is the response to the pandemic has been very poor. A shambles. Merely for the following reasons:

-over 1300 dead
-22% unemployment created, 14% unemployment September onwards into next year
-Thousands of jobs lost

Compare that to New Zealand. Compare it to South Korea, compare it to Czech republic, or Denmark, Norway, Finland. Even Poland with a population of 39m people has had 680 deaths.

Unfortunately...

Unfortunately...apples and oranges. Nice bit of ducking and weaving to evade the point though.



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JoeA3

SNNUS wrote: »

Just an observation but, I have not heard of any supermarket closing because of a COVID19 outbreak. I would have thought at the start of this that this would happen a lot as the supermarkets are the place you would think would be most risky due to amount of people etc and that it could make all staff isolate if it did happen.

Yes. I've thought about this also and no one in the media (shock horror) seems to have commented on this. My local Supervalu is mad busy day in day out. They also have a hardware and agri-business that's been open virtually the whole time. That's a lot of staff! No issue whatsoever. Yes, they've some social-distancing measures in place but its fairly token-effort, as you'd expect. If this thing was rampant in the community (and we know now it isn't), then supermarkets across the country would be riddled with it. They aren't.

niallo27

We had a family bbq today, first time seeing each other in weeks. Father sad in the jeep eating his burger. Families stayed apart within reason. I'd recommend it, be responsible. This 5km thing is horse****

seamusk84

Right so to be clear: This weekend I can't hop in the car to spin out within the 5 KM radius for an unnecessary journey to my favorite restaurant because they are other closer by yes?

Unnecessary journeys still off the cards even within a 5km radius until 20th July.

This is some clusterf**k

JoeA3

niallo27 wrote: »

We had a family bbq today, first time seeing each other in weeks. Father sad in the jeep eating his burger. Families stayed apart within reason. I'd recommend it, be responsible. This 5km thing is horse****

Same here. We've decided amongst ourselves that enough's enough, we've done our bit and with this weather, we saw no reason not to do likewise.

na1

seamusk84 wrote: »

Right so to be clear: This weekend I can't hop in the car to spin out within the 5 KM radius for an unnecessary journey to my favorite restaurant because they are other closer by yes?

Unnecessary journeys still off the cards even within a 5km radius until 20th July.

This is some clusterf**k

Correction:
from the 8th June the distance will be extended to 20 km

cadaliac

JoeA3 wrote: »

Same here. We've decided amongst ourselves that enough's enough, we've done our bit and with this weather, we saw no reason not to do likewise.

so its all ok to breach social distancing now? Is that what you are saying?

hmmm

Porthallian wrote: »

Might be the wrong thread so apologies, but with relaxing of restrictions do people foresee flights becoming available for foreign travel?
This isn't for a carefree holiday, my girlfriend is from Spain and despite the worse situation over there, she is desperate to get home to her family (particularly her elderly father).

I read recently that Ryanair are hoping to have 40% of their flights running around late June/July.

https://extra.ie/2020/04/25/must-see/ryanair-michael-o-leary-middle-seats

hmmm

JoeA3 wrote: »

Same here. We've decided amongst ourselves that enough's enough, we've done our bit and with this weather, we saw no reason not to do likewise.

Hopefully not everyone decides to make up their own rules or we'll be back to a full lockdown before long. A few weeks ago it was "clap for carers", now it's "we're all having a bbq" and "I know a barber who will let you in if you know the special knock".

KrustyUCC

na1 wrote: »

Correction:
from the 8th June the distance will be extended to 20 km

sure but the caveat about essential journeys remains the same AFAIK

I think he's right about July 20th being first time for non essential journeys

overkill602

20th july for barbers to open FT was going to wait will just have to break that rule...
most of us have been complying but this relaxing so far behind other countries its taking the piss

niallo27

cadaliac wrote: »

so its all ok to breach social distancing now? Is that what you are saying?

Nobody said anything about breaching social distancing

Benimar

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully not everyone decides to make up their own rules or we'll be back to a full lockdown before long. A few weeks ago it was "clap for carers", now it's "we're all having a bbq" and "I know a barber who will let you in if you know the special knock".

A lot of lads who have ‘done their bit’ will be relying on the majority to keep doing their bit so their selfishness doesn’t land us back in the sh1t.

niallo27

hmmm wrote: »

Hopefully not everyone decides to make up their own rules or we'll be back to a full lockdown before long. A few weeks ago it was "clap for carers", now it's "we're all having a bbq" and "I know a barber who will let you in if you know the special knock".

We are in full lockdown. Nothing is open. This country can not enforce any stricter of a lockdown.

seamusk84

KrustyUCC wrote: »

sure but the caveat about essential journeys remains the same AFAIK

But sure if that's the case the extension to 20 km is also completely useless on 8th June.

I mean an essential journey is an essential journey so it doesn't matter the distance. If the increases from 2 to 5 to 20 are for exercise only. Who is going to be running or cycling in a straight line out to 20km from their house and back.

This doesn't make any sense.

I go back to my earlier thoughts that I can't go to a takeaway I like better than one that is closer to me tomorrow, even if it is within the 5km radius.

cadaliac

niallo27 wrote: »

Nobody said anything about breaching social distancing

ok - if so, I stand corrected

JMNolan

That's the danger of having a plan that is so long to execute, the majority will use their own judgement to decide what to do. Especially when we see Italy, France, Spain and the rest of Europe opening up as we speak. No one has explained why we are so different to the rest of Europe.

hmmm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I go back to my earlier thoughts that I can't go to a takeaway I like better than one that is closer to me tomorrow even if it is withing the 5km radius.

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Cork Boy 53

niallo27 wrote: »

We are in full lockdown. Nothing is open. This country can not enforce any stricter of a lockdown.

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups has been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

seamusk84

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

I'm using an example to illustrate the point that none of this is clear enough. Jeeze, this is why it a always a risk to post on the Covid forums these days....

JoeA3

cadaliac wrote: »

so its all ok to breach social distancing now? Is that what you are saying?

You can do whatever makes you feel comfortable.

lord quackinton

JoeA3 wrote: »

Same here. We've decided amongst ourselves that enough's enough, we've done our bit and with this weather, we saw no reason not to do likewise.

It makes me happy to read posts like yours and niall27
I hope ye had great days
Spread the word
The economy and our mental well being do matter

hmmm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I'm using an example to illustrate the point that none of this is clear enough. Jeeze, this is why it a always a risk to post on the Covid forums these days....

What's unclear about it? Exercise within 5k, and later 20k.

No unessential journeys. If it's an essential journey you can go as far as you need to go.

niallo27

Cork Boy 53 wrote: »

You are absolutely wrong there. No one apart from the vulnerable high risk groups have been in what I would consider a real lockdown situation at any point since the virus appeared. Not yet anyway.

How would you enforce a stricter lockdown. We do not have the army or police to do it plus our deaths are way down or r number is way down, why would you want to.

road_high

seamusk84 wrote: »

Right so to be clear: This weekend I can't hop in the car to spin out within the 5 KM radius for an unnecessary journey to my favorite restaurant because they are other closer by yes?

Unnecessary journeys still off the cards even within a 5km radius until 20th July.

This is some clusterf**k

That one is nanny state piss take stuff. It's like "we can get away with this kind of pointless nonsense so let's really keep them in their box". Are we the only country keeping this Level rubbish for 4 months?
I hope FG have a severe economic shock to deal with. they'd brought much of it on themselves if this idiotic Blueprint for Bankruptcy is followed to the letter.
Unemployment will stay at circa 25% for quite a while and the drain on national finances ferocious. I can't believe Ivan Yates is the only one highlighting the absurdity?

sterz

niallo27 wrote: »

We had a family bbq today, first time seeing each other in weeks. Father sad in the jeep eating his burger. Families stayed apart within reason. I'd recommend it, be responsible. This 5km thing is horse****

How quickly your mind changed in just over 24 hours.

niallo27 wrote:

Had to drive to cork today from limerick for an emergency. There is absolutely nobody on the road, its eery. I stopped on the motorway to close the boot properly. 3 minutes and not one car passed. Fair play to people, nobody is out.

hmmm

hmmm wrote: »

We're facing a pandemic which is killing 10% of over-70s, killing younger people with certain conditions and killing doctors and nurses throughout the world.

We're being asked to make big changes to lower the risk of spread for a few weeks months, and you're giving out because you can't get to the takeaway you prefer?

Lets get that right now