Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Penfailed · 04-05-2020 12:05PM

easypazz wrote: »

And some bars in Spain from today.

Except they aren't. More lies.

EDit · 04-05-2020 12:06PM

gozunda wrote: »

Not me saying that Covid-19 as a disease is a significant risk btw. That's the concensus of health professional globally. I'd suggest you discuss that with them.

As to why restrictions are starting to lift in some countries? Because yes those countries have managed to reduce the numbers being infected and dying from Covid-19. However even those countries acknowledge they are not out of the woods yet.

Btw re Italy which has been eight weeks with restrictions. The restrictions here started on March 12th - that's just six weeks.

What needs to be watched is that some areas like Germany who were winding back restrictions are seeing an increase in infection rates.

https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/28/coronavirus-germany-s-covid-19-infection-rate-rises-after-lockdown-lifted

That article is around a week old now, a long time in this pandemic. Germany’s infection and death numbers are in gradual decline according to Worldometers

growleaves · 04-05-2020 12:09PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

I think you have a point, Ryanair, airlingus, BA went through the 1918 flu pandemic with no effect on them.

Wait. Hmmm something’s wrong. Would I be that commercial air travel only Began in earnest post world war 2....

You post is clever but silly.

Travel restrictions are how pandemics were dealt with in the past, i.e. people were prevented from entering a country or if let in they were quarantined.

They didn't have airports in the past. Doesn't really alter what we're talking about.

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 12:11PM

Benimar wrote: »

Read the full paragraph about the over 70’s.

‘Visits to homes of over 70s and medically vulnerable by no more than a small number of persons for a short period of time wearing gloves, face coverings, maintaining strict 2m social distancing‘

Under 70s can meet without those requirements, bar the social distancing one.

Where can we read the detailed lifting of restrictions ? Is there an official site ?

Benimar · 04-05-2020 12:13PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Where can we read the detailed lifting of restrictions ? Is there an official site ?

https://assets.gov.ie/73722/ffd17d70fbb64b498fd809dde548f411.pdf

lord quackinton · 04-05-2020 12:16PM

Latest updates

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .026%
- no lockdown

Uk
Chances of dying from corona .04%
- late to lockdown and Large population

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .027%
- early to lockdown and small population. Has extended its lockdown to months
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .02%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?
Thoughts please and let’s just use the facts
If these figures are the same in 3 months what will that mean for our political leaders

lord quackinton · 04-05-2020 12:17PM

Latest updates

Sweden
Chances of dying from corona .026%
- no lockdown

Uk
Chances of dying from corona .04%
- late to lockdown and Large population

Ireland
Chances of dying from corona .027%
- early to lockdown and small population. Has extended its lockdown to months
Half of Sweden’s population

America
Chances of dying from corona .02%
- Donald trump has received world criticism and is held been personally accountable for the thousands of deaths

Time to open up?
Thoughts please and let’s just use the facts
If these figures are the same in 3 months what will that mean for our political leaders

growleaves · 04-05-2020 12:18PM

iamwhoiam · 04-05-2020 12:18PM

Benimar wrote: »

https://assets.gov.ie/73722/ffd17d70fbb64b498fd809dde548f411.pdf

Thank you

easypazz · 04-05-2020 12:20PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Except they aren't. More lies.

Mr Sanchez announced that four islands, Formentera in the Balearic Islands and three of the smaller Canary Islands including La Gomera and El Hierro, would be allowed to start phase one on May 4 - a week before the rest of Spain.

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 12:23PM

storker wrote: »

Translation; "I have no argument so I'll reach for sarcasm and a oneliner."

Impressive.

Enjoy your coffee which, based on your demonstrated ability to judge expertise, is probably week-old cocoa.

.

I am judging NPHET expertise, and my judgement is the response to the pandemic has been very poor. A shambles. Merely for the following reasons:

-over 1300 dead
-22% unemployment created, 14% unemployment September onwards into next year
-Thousands of jobs lost

Compare that to New Zealand. Compare it to South Korea, compare it to Czech republic, or Denmark, Norway, Finland. Even Poland with a population of 39m people has had 680 deaths.

Unfortunately...

easypazz · 04-05-2020 12:33PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am judging NPHET expertise, and my judgement is the response to the pandemic has been very poor. A shambles. Merely for the following reasons:

-over 1300 dead
-22% unemployment created, 14% unemployment September onwards into next year
-Thousands of jobs lost

Compare that to New Zealand. Compare it to South Korea, compare it to Czech republic, or Denmark, Norway, Finland. Even Poland with a population of 39m people has had 680 deaths.

Unfortunately...

Over 6000 (probably 7000 now) healthcare workers infected. How many close contacts and nursing home patients did they go on to infect?

Penfailed · 04-05-2020 12:40PM

easypazz wrote: »

Over 6000 (probably 7000 now) healthcare workers infected. How many close contacts and nursing home patients did they go on to infect?

When it's pointed out that issues in nursing homes are not confined to Ireland, you say that you aren't aware of the facts in other countries yet you're quick to rely on what's happening in other countries to back up your thinking on other issues.

easypazz · 04-05-2020 12:48PM

Penfailed wrote: »

When it's pointed out that issues in nursing homes are not confined to Ireland, you say that you aren't aware of the facts in other countries yet you're quick to rely on what's happening in other countries to back up your thinking on other issues.

I have not seen any facts relating to nursing homes in other countries so can't comment.

If I see facts from other countries then yes I will refer to them.

Like the fact that some bars opened in Spain today, a fact which you accuse me of lying about.

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 12:58PM

easypazz wrote: »

I have not seen any facts relating to nursing homes in other countries so can't comment.

If I see facts from other countries then yes I will refer to them.

Like the fact that some bars opened in Spain today, a fact which you accuse me of lying about.

Apparently Minister for finance has had a report on his desk from Ireland association of restaurants stating that 9 out of 10 restaurants will not re open if lockdown is continued for any substantial period of time, report on his desk since mid April. Risking 135,000 jobs in the sector. I assume this excludes pubs?

And then there was Leo's announcement on 1st of May.

Sebastian Dangerfield · 04-05-2020 01:01PM

I got stopped and warned by the guards a couple of weeks back for driving my kids to the beach 1.5km away (theyre 2 and 3). The beach was allowed as it was within the 2km zone, but driving there apparently wasnt as it wasnt an essential journey.

By that logic and with golf courses reopening, can people only play if the course is 2km from their house, and do they have to walk there? Im struggling to understand how opening these things take effect if the "non-essential journey" isnt redefined

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 01:04PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I got stopped and warned by the guards a couple of weeks back for driving my kids to the back 1.5km away (theyre 2 and 3). The beach was allowed as it was within the 2km zone, but driving there apparently wasnt as it wasnt an essential journey.

By that logic and with golf courses reopening, can people only play if the course is 2km from their house, and do they have to walk there? Im struggling to understand how opening these things take effect if the "non-essential journey" isnt redefined

Does anyone know of the distance measures in other countries? In the last 4 months I havent heard of any country restricting movement of up to 2km or any sort of limit. Ive heard of France Spain & Italy whereby you cant leave your house kind of thing.

But actual distance restrictions?

Micky 32 · 04-05-2020 01:05PM

Some good news, people being treated in hospital for Covid 19 hits three week low.

rob316 · 04-05-2020 01:05PM

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Apparently Minister for finance has had a report on his desk from Ireland association of restaurants stating that 9 out of 10 restaurants will not re open if lockdown is continued for any substantial period of time, report on his desk since mid April. Risking 135,000 jobs in the sector. I assume this excludes pubs?

And then there was Leo's announcement on 1st of May.

And the support for businesses is laughably poor. Another raft of measures to help on saturday. Its all sound bytes "2bn" "credit gaurantee" "rebates". The only solid thing was a 3 months rates waiver which isn't enough. The retail and hospitality sector is going to need a large portion of their rent paid to have any future.

Stark · 04-05-2020 01:06PM

It'll be 5km by the time the golf clubs reopen and the Guards don't have a ****ing clue what they're at. Ala the case of boasting on Twitter about turning a guy back who was trying to collect a parcel from his local post office as it was outside 2km. Since deleted after the huge backlash from people educating them that the 2km limit only applied to exercise and people were allowed travel outside it for other purposes such as shopping and visiting the post office.

Penfailed · 04-05-2020 01:07PM

easypazz wrote: »

Like the fact that some bars opened in Spain today, a fact which you accuse me of lying about.

Source?

the kelt · 04-05-2020 01:08PM

Penfailed wrote: »

When it's pointed out that issues in nursing homes are not confined to Ireland, you say that you aren't aware of the facts in other countries yet you're quick to rely on what's happening in other countries to back up your thinking on other issues.

I’ve seen this brought up a few times but now does the fact other countries have had issues with nursing homes somehow negate our issues?

As if it’s alright sure other countries made mistakes too?? I’ve seen France and Sweden being mentioned as other countries with nursing home issues yet they still seem to be progressing faster than ourselves.

Are there other countries with nursing home issues being hampered like ourselves in easing restrictions? Genuine question as I don’t know?

KrustyUCC · 04-05-2020 01:11PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

I got stopped and warned by the guards a couple of weeks back for driving my kids to the back 1.5km away (theyre 2 and 3). The beach was allowed as it was within the 2km zone, but driving there apparently wasnt as it wasnt an essential journey.

By that logic and with golf courses reopening, can people only play if the course is 2km from their house, and do they have to walk there? Im struggling to understand how opening these things take effect if the "non-essential journey" isnt redefined

The Irish Times had an article that its only those within 5km of golf courses will be able to play

I'm not sure how it works re walking or driving there

Many members of my GAA club are members of a golf club 31km away in Cork

In theory they won't be able to play until phase 4 on July 20th the same as travel outside your region

These changes are painfully slow in comparison to other countries

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 01:11PM

the kelt wrote: »

I’ve seen this brought up a few times but now does the fact other countries have had issues with nursing homes somehow negate our issues?

As if it’s alright sure other countries made mistakes too?? I’ve seen France and Sweden being mentioned as other countries with nursing home issues yet they still seem to be progressing faster than ourselves.

Are there other countries with nursing home issues being hampered like ourselves in easing restrictions? Genuine question as I don’t know?

France and Ireland are only countries that I know of that have very slow restriction easing (France have extended their emergency state until July, but are easing restrictions as of 11th of May onwards).

Scandinavian countries, Germany, Czech republic etc they have opened up business for atleast a week now.

I think that all countries have a big number of deaths coming from nursing homes.

Penfailed · 04-05-2020 01:12PM

the kelt wrote: »

Are there other countries with nursing home issues being hampered like ourselves in easing restrictions? Genuine question as I don’t know?

Why is it assumed that the problems in nursing homes are hampering the easing of restrictions?

Nickindublin · 04-05-2020 01:13PM

rob316 wrote: »

And the support for businesses is laughably poor. Another raft of measures to help on saturday. Its all sound bytes "2bn" "credit gaurantee" "rebates". The only solid thing was a 3 months rates waiver which isn't enough. The retail and hospitality sector is going to need a large portion of their rent paid to have any future.

You mean small business can borrow or beg for money from the bank at a rate of about 4% if the bank will lend to them. Any taxes due will have to be paid in 12 months. You can have 3 months off your rates but Pubs will be shut 5 months. Its a load of smoke. Small Retail Business that have stopped trading don't need more debt. If a business needs to borrow to pay staff rent etc its a waste. This may suit some business like grocery shops or business that have traded through this. They can now borrow basically risk free at low rates.

Benimar · 04-05-2020 01:16PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Source?

Technically he is correct. Of course what he doesn’t mention is that it is only on 4 islands, who have had no new cases in a while. It also only relates to OUTDOOR areas and they can only have 30% occupancy of those outdoor areas.

Not exactly comparing apples with apples.

Ginger n Lemon · 04-05-2020 01:16PM

Penfailed wrote: »

Why is it assumed that the problems in nursing homes are hampering the easing of restrictions?

I think what he is looking to understand is why are our restrictions being lifted at turtle pace. One guess would be high deaths number in nursing homes.

We need SOMETHING. The numbers, time periods, all the disclaimers *If deaths are as low as possible phase 2 can begin, none of this makes much sense. Are we really that different to 180+ other countries on the planet?

FintanMcluskey · 04-05-2020 01:16PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Some good news, people being treated in hospital for Covid 19 hits three week low.

Great news. Should be confident of a hair in late July I would imagine

hmmm · 04-05-2020 01:19PM

Sebastian Dangerfield wrote: »

By that logic and with golf courses reopening, can people only play if the course is 2km from their house, and do they have to walk there? Im struggling to understand how opening these things take effect if the "non-essential journey" isnt redefined

Yes and yes. Phase 4 is the earliest time for "avoid unnecessary journeys" in the plan.

Whether the guards enforce it is a different matter.

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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