Relaxation of restrictions Part II

peasant · 03-05-2020 09:24PM

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

You're not being asked to put your life on hold, you just have to live it slightly differently.

Ginger n Lemon · 03-05-2020 09:24PM

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

Think about the people who are suggesting this to you. Leo - 200k salary, has a partner, a good house.

Simon Harris - a married man, with a great salary.

And then there is easily 30, 40% of population, single, good % are unemployed, told to stay at home and avoid getting closer than 2m to any other human being in the country.

There is something there... that doesnt feel right.

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 09:29PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

What restrictions are changing in Greece tomorrow?

easypazz · 03-05-2020 09:31PM

peasant wrote: »

You're not being asked to put your life on hold, you just have to live it slightly differently.

Why should healthy people in their 20's refrain from getting on with relationships?

Over 66's know the risks now, its their choice after that surely?

ceadaoin. · 03-05-2020 09:32PM

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

Lol, they definitely aren't over. People will do what they want regardless of the social distancing guidelines. You think its ok for the government to dictate that people can't have sex or start relationships and that its acceptable for healthy young people to put their lives on hold like that? Even Dr Fauci said that of course people can take a date home if they so wish because stopping people from forming relationships would be complete government overreach.

prunudo · 03-05-2020 09:34PM

There's going to have to be some relaxation in the 2m rule for public transport to work. You can't operate a bus service with only 15 people on it. Same with trains and airplanes.
I think masks will have to be made mandatory if you want to use them.

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 09:35PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Lol, they definitely aren't over. People will do what they want, consequences be damned. You think its ok for the government to dictate that people can't have sex? Even Dr Fauci said that of course people can take a date home if they so wish.

The most alarming thing about Covid is that many people seem to require approval from Dr Tony H before taking someone to bed

alentejo · 03-05-2020 09:37PM

I suspect that the restrictions still have popular support (i.e. over 50%). I also suspect that in general, the older one is, the higher level support there is for the continued restrictions.

I suspect that as the summer months continue, the rate of infection will decrease allowing continued opening of services/shops/stuff in general.;

At this stage, one can only hope for big ticket items. Schools open in September- Normality in 2021 - i.e 2020 in essence is written off !

I suspect there will be no vaccine for Covid anytime soon, however I suspect there will be a much better understanding on how to medically treat the disease will be in place from August onwards so surviveability of the disease will reduce death rates hopefully leading to a largely curable disease in 2021.

Afk 2020 is a write off for most people in getting back to normal.

seenitall · 03-05-2020 09:39PM

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while.

Lololol

the biggest laugh I've had in a while. People are going on dates left, right and centre. Dating apps are thriving. The power of libido is a formidable thing. Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? I guess we'll know around the New Year's.

How someone can be so out of touch with reality is too funny. Not to disparage you, but you sound as if you haven't been single in a long, long time.

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 09:41PM

peasant wrote: »

You're not being asked to put your life on hold,

Has the restrictions not had any effect on some people?

Nothing is happening at the minute and many people's life are not on hold they are completely stopped

Micky 32 · 03-05-2020 09:45PM

seenitall wrote: »

Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? .

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/motoring/539717/lost-motorist-gave-gardai-strange-reason-for-being-on-the-road-near-tullamore.html

lord quackinton · 03-05-2020 09:46PM

seenitall wrote: »

Lololol the biggest laugh I've had in a while. People are going on dates left, right and centre. Dating apps are thriving. The power of libido is a formidable thing. Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? I guess we'll know around the New Year's.

How someone can be so out of touch with reality is too funny. Not to disparage you, but you sound as if you haven't been single in a long, long time.

plenty of beer and riding is what is needed and forget about the condoms too.
it would be great if in 9 to 10 months we had plenty of bambinos around
it would be good for the nation.

drunkmonkey · 03-05-2020 09:47PM

Some good news - "Scientists conclude people cannot be infected with coronavirus twice"

A number of reported cases of coronavirus patients relapsing after overcoming the disease were actually due to testing failures -- false positives.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

No reason that 2 people that have had it can't get together, half the country is convinced they had it at Christmas anyway.

Irish Aris · 03-05-2020 09:48PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What restrictions are changing in Greece tomorrow?

certain types of shops are re-opening. From what I read the important ones are hairdressers/barbers, book shops, sports equipment stores and shops that sell laptops, phones etc.
Obviously social distancing measures will still apply.
For example, the guideline for hairdressers/barbers is: one customer at a time in the store, the customer shouldn't touch anything-they walk in and go straight to the chair, single use gowns, cleaning of all combs and scissors between clients and face masks mandatory for both clients and barbers - that last one I'm not sure I understood it correctly, I am not sure exactly how wearing a mask will work when you have a haircut.
Use of debit cards still encouraged.

Phases in Greece are I think in 2 weeks intervals, with the same warning that if numbers go up, restrictions return.
Use of masks apparently mandatory in public transport, taxis and hospitals.

The restrictions in Greece were implemented on the 12th of March. They were similar to ours from March 26th (a bit stricter in that you had to get "preapproval" to go out) but the enforcement was much stricter and police had full authority to implement it and fine people.
At the moment Greece is down to single digits of new cases and deaths - albeit they don't test as much as we do here.

stephenjmcd · 03-05-2020 09:49PM

https://twitter.com/cecileollivier/status/1256966423919935491?s=19

Quite huge news out of France this evening, French doctor on BMFTV in France has said he retested all PCR normal flu swabs after having a patient with pneumonia in hosptial on 27th December, retest postive for covid. Now if its verified and they've said they'll publish the data in medical journals next week then this has been around a hell of a lot longer than people think

cian68 · 03-05-2020 09:53PM

peasant wrote: »

You're not being asked to put your life on hold, you just have to live it slightly differently.

The word 'slightly' doing a lot of heavy lifting there in fairness

03-05-2020 09:54PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

https://twitter.com/cecileollivier/status/1256966423919935491?s=19

Quite huge news out of France this evening, French doctor on BMFTV in France has said he retested all PCR normal flu swabs after having a patient with pneumonia in hosptial on 27th December, retest postive for covid. Now if its verified and they've said they'll publish the data in medical journals next week then this has been around a hell of a lot longer than people think

It’s been mentioned on here a few times. I know 3 people that were hospitalised in December with flu.

I’m not exactly old (34) and don’t recall anyone in other years been hospitalised that I know. There was definitely a bad dose going around over winter. Whether it was Covid or just bad flu I don’t know.

peasant · 03-05-2020 10:04PM

seenitall wrote: »

Not to disparage you, but you sound as if you haven't been single in a long, long time.

You would be right there, I haven't

I was single though when AIDS first became a thing, that certainly put the brakes on the left, right and center thingy ...who knows...maybe I'm (re-) living the wrong pandemic? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 10:08PM

Irish Aris wrote: »

certain types of shops are re-opening. From what I read the important ones are hairdressers/barbers, book shops, sports equipment stores and shops that sell laptops, phones etc.
Obviously social distancing measures will still apply.
For example, the guideline for hairdressers/barbers is: one customer at a time in the store, the customer shouldn't touch anything-they walk in and go straight to the chair, single use gowns, cleaning of all combs and scissors between clients and face masks mandatory for both clients and barbers - that last one I'm not sure I understood it correctly, I am not sure exactly how wearing a mask will work when you have a haircut.
Use of debit cards still encouraged.

Phases in Greece are I think in 2 weeks intervals, with the same warning that if numbers go up, restrictions return.
Use of masks apparently mandatory in public transport, taxis and hospitals.

The restrictions in Greece were implemented on the 12th of March. They were similar to ours from March 26th (a bit stricter in that you had to get "preapproval" to go out) but the enforcement was much stricter and police had full authority to implement it and fine people.
At the moment Greece is down to single digits of new cases and deaths - albeit they don't test as much as we do here.

Ireland is essentially 2-3 months behind so.

LiquidZeb · 03-05-2020 10:17PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The most alarming thing about Covid is that many people seem to require approval from Dr Tony H before taking someone to bed

Tony should follow the example of a Catholic priest in a 1950's dance hall and make sure the buachailli and caillini are on opposite sides of the room

LiquidZeb · 03-05-2020 10:18PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The most alarming thing about Covid is that many people seem to require approval from Dr Tony H before taking someone to bed

Tony should follow the example of a Catholic priest in a 1950's dance hall and make sure the buachailli and caillini are on opposite sides of the room

timmy_mallet · 03-05-2020 10:25PM

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

This extremism needs to stop. Its outrageous.

easypazz · 03-05-2020 10:28PM

timmy_mallet wrote: »

This extremism needs to stop. Its outrageous.

The lockdowners have been over run with paranoia. Rational thinking is beyond them they are so brainwashed.

Clonmel1000 · 03-05-2020 10:30PM

The c19 has seen judging by this thread anyway a reawakening in a lot of feelings in people who are anti sex,, anti pubs , anti travel, anti living perversely despite screaming emotives about 1 death being too many etc etc.

Gael23 · 03-05-2020 10:31PM

I’m far from a member of the lockdown brigade but I agree that casual sex is a no go

rob316 · 03-05-2020 10:32PM

You'd swear it was some super virus with a 30% mortality rate that liquifys your organs the way some go on about it.

rob316 · 03-05-2020 10:34PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m far from a member of the lockdown brigade but I agree that casual sex is a no go

There will be plenty lads and lasses that take their chances for the ride.

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 10:36PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m far from a member of the lockdown brigade but I agree that casual sex is a no go

Dont be so defeatist, you might just have your standards set a tad too high

gozunda · 03-05-2020 10:39PM

easypazz wrote: »

Usual toys out of the pram. As I said to you before you need to learn there is more than 1 way to skin a cat here.
Regarding herd immunity I quoted Anders Tegnell. He does not think Sweden is out of control
Unemployment in Sweden at 10% - swedish central bank report
Projected 22% unemployment ireland - Paschal Donoghue
Didn't bother with the rest of it.

Lol. You must have the wheels wore of that pram of yours! The mileage certainly is over any recommendations anyway

Now was giving a source so hard? However if you are going to ascribe opinions to someone at least give the link!.

Btw I'd suggest you take a look at the raw data regarding death rate and the economy in Sweden not someones opinion of 'Stockholm' :rolleyes:

You do realise that unemployment projections are just a small part of any possible scenario yeah? Quoting Swedens Cental Bank this article details

In the first scenario (scenario A in the chart below), gross domestic product contracts by 6.9% in 2020 before rebounding to grow 4.6% in 2021. In a more negative prediction (scenario , GDP could contract by 9.7% ...

The International Monetary Fund predicted earlier in April that Germany and the U.K. will see their economies contract by 6.5% and 7% this year, respectively. France is expected to see a 7.2% contraction, Spain an 8% contraction and for Italy to see its economy shrink 9.1%.

Sweden's neighbors Finland and Denmark, which also imposed lockdowns, are also expected to see their economies contract by 6% and 6.5%, respectively...

Sweden's supply chains and businesses have been damaged by the pandemic and the Riksbank warned that "many companies will be hit hard and many people will lose their jobs," although it decided to hold its benchmark interest rate at zero this week.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

As for Swedens and its handling of Covid - it would appear most of the stuff about Sweden rate of infection is the product of social media

https://www.thejournal.ie/sweden-coronavirus-debunk-5076859-Apr2020/

Oh re "herd immunity" even the World Health Organization warns that there's "not enough evidence" yet to guarantee people who get COVID-19 will be immune from re-infection, stressing that "no study" has yet evaluated the question.

FintanMcluskey · 03-05-2020 10:41PM

gozunda wrote: »

Lol. You must have the wheels wore of that pram of yours! The mileage certainly is over any recommendations anyway

Now was giving a source so hard? However if you are going to ascribe opinions to someone at least give the link!.

Btw I'd suggest you take a look at the raw data regarding death rate and the economy in Sweden not someones opinion of 'Stockholm' :rolleyes:

You do realise that unemployment projections are just a small part of any possible scenario yeah? Quoting Swedens Cental Bank this article details

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/30/coronavirus-sweden-economy-to-contract-as-severely-as-the-rest-of-europe.html

As for Swedens and its handling of Covid - it would appear most of the stuff about Sweden rate ofbinfevtion is the product of social media

https://www.thejournal.ie/sweden-coronavirus-debunk-5076859-Apr2020/

Oh re "herd immunity" even the World Health Organization warns that there's "not enough evidence" yet to guarantee people who get COVID-19 will be immune from re-infection, stressing that "no study" has yet evaluated the question.

You have used thejournal.ie as a reference. I checked out after that. The 1st time

Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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