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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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Irish Aris

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

What restrictions are changing in Greece tomorrow?

certain types of shops are re-opening. From what I read the important ones are hairdressers/barbers, book shops, sports equipment stores and shops that sell laptops, phones etc.
Obviously social distancing measures will still apply.
For example, the guideline for hairdressers/barbers is: one customer at a time in the store, the customer shouldn't touch anything-they walk in and go straight to the chair, single use gowns, cleaning of all combs and scissors between clients and face masks mandatory for both clients and barbers - that last one I'm not sure I understood it correctly, I am not sure exactly how wearing a mask will work when you have a haircut.
Use of debit cards still encouraged.

Phases in Greece are I think in 2 weeks intervals, with the same warning that if numbers go up, restrictions return.
Use of masks apparently mandatory in public transport, taxis and hospitals.

The restrictions in Greece were implemented on the 12th of March. They were similar to ours from March 26th (a bit stricter in that you had to get "preapproval" to go out) but the enforcement was much stricter and police had full authority to implement it and fine people.
At the moment Greece is down to single digits of new cases and deaths - albeit they don't test as much as we do here.

drunkmonkey

Some good news - "Scientists conclude people cannot be infected with coronavirus twice"

A number of reported cases of coronavirus patients relapsing after overcoming the disease were actually due to testing failures -- false positives.

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/coronavirus-scientists-conclude-people-cannot-be-infected-twice-11981721

No reason that 2 people that have had it can't get together, half the country is convinced they had it at Christmas anyway.

lord quackinton

seenitall wrote: »

Lololol the biggest laugh I've had in a while. People are going on dates left, right and centre. Dating apps are thriving. The power of libido is a formidable thing. Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? I guess we'll know around the New Year's.

How someone can be so out of touch with reality is too funny. Not to disparage you, but you sound as if you haven't been single in a long, long time.

plenty of beer and riding is what is needed and forget about the condoms too.
it would be great if in 9 to 10 months we had plenty of bambinos around
it would be good for the nation.

Micky 32

seenitall wrote: »

Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? .

https://www.longfordleader.ie/news/motoring/539717/lost-motorist-gave-gardai-strange-reason-for-being-on-the-road-near-tullamore.html

FintanMcluskey

peasant wrote: »

You're not being asked to put your life on hold,

Has the restrictions not had any effect on some people?

Nothing is happening at the minute and many people's life are not on hold they are completely stopped

seenitall

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while.

Lololol

the biggest laugh I've had in a while. People are going on dates left, right and centre. Dating apps are thriving. The power of libido is a formidable thing. Didn't I read somewhere recently that the pregnancy tests sales have soared considerably? I guess we'll know around the New Year's.

How someone can be so out of touch with reality is too funny. Not to disparage you, but you sound as if you haven't been single in a long, long time.

alentejo

I suspect that the restrictions still have popular support (i.e. over 50%). I also suspect that in general, the older one is, the higher level support there is for the continued restrictions.

I suspect that as the summer months continue, the rate of infection will decrease allowing continued opening of services/shops/stuff in general.;

At this stage, one can only hope for big ticket items. Schools open in September- Normality in 2021 - i.e 2020 in essence is written off !

I suspect there will be no vaccine for Covid anytime soon, however I suspect there will be a much better understanding on how to medically treat the disease will be in place from August onwards so surviveability of the disease will reduce death rates hopefully leading to a largely curable disease in 2021.

Afk 2020 is a write off for most people in getting back to normal.

FintanMcluskey

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Lol, they definitely aren't over. People will do what they want, consequences be damned. You think its ok for the government to dictate that people can't have sex? Even Dr Fauci said that of course people can take a date home if they so wish.

The most alarming thing about Covid is that many people seem to require approval from Dr Tony H before taking someone to bed

prunudo

There's going to have to be some relaxation in the 2m rule for public transport to work. You can't operate a bus service with only 15 people on it. Same with trains and airplanes.
I think masks will have to be made mandatory if you want to use them.

ceadaoin.

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

Lol, they definitely aren't over. People will do what they want regardless of the social distancing guidelines. You think its ok for the government to dictate that people can't have sex or start relationships and that its acceptable for healthy young people to put their lives on hold like that? Even Dr Fauci said that of course people can take a date home if they so wish because stopping people from forming relationships would be complete government overreach.

easypazz

peasant wrote: »

You're not being asked to put your life on hold, you just have to live it slightly differently.

Why should healthy people in their 20's refrain from getting on with relationships?

Over 66's know the risks now, its their choice after that surely?

FintanMcluskey

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

What restrictions are changing in Greece tomorrow?

Ginger n Lemon

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

Think about the people who are suggesting this to you. Leo - 200k salary, has a partner, a good house.

Simon Harris - a married man, with a great salary.

And then there is easily 30, 40% of population, single, good % are unemployed, told to stay at home and avoid getting closer than 2m to any other human being in the country.

There is something there... that doesnt feel right.

peasant

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

You're not being asked to put your life on hold, you just have to live it slightly differently.

FintanMcluskey

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

For something that's primarily lethal to over 80s and terminally ill.
I cant see why anyone outside that bracket needs to live in constant fear of human interaction

VonLuck

peasant wrote: »

Do I really need to spell it out?

You need to social distance from those you don't know so you can get close / stay close to those that you do.

Easy enough if you already live with someone, it gets a bit more complicated if you don't ...but it's doable, with discipline.

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

peasant

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yeah because one night stands and casual sex is exactly what I was referring to and worried about.
Jesus wept, there aren’t enough eye rolls in the world for that post. Completely tone deaf and so out of touch with reality, its actually astonishing.

Do I really need to spell it out?

You need to social distance from those you don't know so you can get close / stay close to those that you do.

Easy enough if you already live with someone, it gets a bit more complicated if you don't ...but it's doable, with discipline.

Level 42

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

nah we have feck all masks

Polar101

the kelt wrote: »

I mean the fact of the matter is we can be told in 2 weeks, sorry numbers aren’t good enough and on you go, what numbers? What is good enough?

Or die we just listen to our cmo give another few vague answers with no accountability on their side for their failings?

While it is a bit on the vague side, I don't think it's necessary to announce something like "we can only move to phase 4 if there are only x people in ICU, x number of new cases and x deaths". A lot of the posters here (myself included) would be interested in knowing that, but does it really matter for the general public? The main idea is to follow the guidelines and restrictions so that the "plan" can proceed. Often when people criticise the government or the CMO or the HSE, they think there is some kind of a lockdown agenda going on or a "us vs them" mentality.

Irish Aris

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

SusieBlue

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

Yeah because one night stands and casual sex is exactly what I was referring to and worried about.
Jesus wept, there aren’t enough eye rolls in the world for that post. Completely tone deaf and so out of touch with reality, its actually astonishing.

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Bullcrap. You make all that up up yourself? Is Stockholm the same as Sweden? News for you -no its not. Plenty of expert opinion that shows Swedens rate of infection is now out of control. Funny you deny that.

And more importantly there is no evidence that anything like "herd immunity" has any basis in reality in relation to Covid.

More makeup up bs? According to who? Yourself? Dont make me laugh!

Ditto

Again pulling stuff out of the dark orifice? There are reliable reports that say that Swedens Economy is going down the tubes. But of course because you like arguing - I'd be surprised if you didnt claim the exact opposite. :pac:

Yes what you wrote is indeed 'tosh'
Not referring to Holohan btw - but dont let that stop your normal rabid Anti FG rants or even reality

And indeed with your rights come responsibility. Amazing you dont know that...

Indeed we do. But your hate filled and frankly daft rants dont come close.

Lol. Hilarious. Do you do stand up comedy on a regular basis?

Of course you have because you know better than anyone else and everyone else including the experts are wrong according to you. Whats new eh? Best of luck with that. Dont cond back here crying ...

Usual toys out of the pram. As I said to you before you need to learn there is more than 1 way to skin a cat here.

Regarding herd immunity I quoted Anders Tegnell. He does not think Sweden is out of control.

Unemployment in Sweden at 10% - swedish central bank report

Projected 22% unemployment ireland - Paschal Donoghue

Didn't bother with the rest of it.

peasant

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

growleaves

Ginger n Lemon

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Massive house party with the neighbours going on next door.

Lads, the official lockdown is over.

Reminds me a bit of that scene from Braveheart, with Mel Gibson & co lifting their skirts in the final fight. Wonder the outcome

Jinglejangle69

Massive house party with the neighbours going on next door.

Lads, the official lockdown is over.

iamwhoiam

I will keep my distance from strangers in so far as possible , will wash hands often , sanitize when out , wipe down the usual . But there is no way I can keep my distance forever from my grandchildren . And if my family need a hug in the future then they get a hug
Human nature would not allow us keep each other at arms length for years to come

SusieBlue

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Personally I dont think social distancing will be maintained beyond say 6 months time. When offices go back, schools, colleges, public transport it's going to completely unworkable.
That's before you consider social life resuming, concerts, festivals, sporting events, everything people will want to get back to. Now some people say oh we'll just have to wait for a vaccine, I wont be waiting for a vaccine that might or might not come down the line, not putting life on hold and wasting 2 or 3 years either.

The lasting effects for me will be the increased hand hygiene and the respiratory etiquette. Next time I've a head cold or a cough I wont be going to work and I'll work from home until it passes, likewise if I've an event to go to I'll give that a miss too. It'll become socially irresponsible to be outside if you've a head cold or a cough now, the days of just getting on with it and going into work are done.

A sensible, solid outlook here. I’ll be doing much of the same, we have to learn to live alongside this virus because it’s going nowhere. The sooner we adapt and adjust the better for everyone.

Ginger n Lemon

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.

100% agreed. Look at your friends pictures on facebook. How many of them are standing right beside someone else? Or in groups hugging each other?

I personally would rather have 1 great date, than live 1 year being awkward and try to stay 2 meters away from ANY human being around.

SusieBlue

peasant wrote: »

There are ways to live, love and work while keeping your distance. And if there aren't yet, we have to create them.

Social distancing does not have to mean that everything stops.

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.