Relaxation of restrictions Part II

peasant

SusieBlue wrote: »

The isolation, loneliness and economy crashing also has potential to kill a lot of us, but that isn’t important or relevant to a lot of people here.

There are ways to live, love and work while keeping your distance. And if there aren't yet, we have to create them.

Social distancing does not have to mean that everything stops.

stephenjmcd

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The 2m thing is unproven. So is the thinking that this is a death sentence.
Life will return to normal, for those who think social distancing will carry on forevermore, basic evolution will prevent them from passing on the thoughts to the next generations. Very hard to meet someone and have kids from 2m away.

I was actually just thinking that regarding the social distancing question, how on earth are single people supposed to meet, date etc with social distancing. I've no problem with doing it for a few months but can't see people practicing it long term

fly_agaric

This pandemic restriction period has been interesting in that I've never seen so many free market boosters/right wing types so deeply concerned by issues like long term unemployment/underemployment, the mental health and well being of the general public & the govt.'s tax revenue. Gives me hope for the future anyway.

lord quackinton

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

In fairness our packed pubs full of drunks are a different story to having a beer on a plaza in the warm Italian summer, it's apples and oranges

Wow, what’s feel like to hate your own country? Like a nice Merlot?

FintanMcluskey

VonLuck wrote: »

What's not transparent at the moment? Not saying that we have all the information, just genuinely interested in what you think should be told to the public.

Minutes of NPHET meeting.
What basis are the restrictions extended months beyond all other European countries.
Journalists allowed question the CMO and receive valid answers
Minister's allowed debate policies, the Dail has only convened twice, and didnt get a chance to challenge the roadmap published Friday.

What information do we have?
We know that the plan increasing testing numbers, but thats useless information without data on the turnaround times.

SusieBlue

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I wouldnt count on vaccine at all. Such has only started to being developed in January this year. Say it comes out in September, will you inject something into your body that has been in development for 9 months?

Say this comes out in September 2021. Would you be comfortable with injecting something into your body that has only been around for 21 months?

I am unsure why would you want to sacrifice your normal life to avoid a virus that kills less than 1%? And even that less than 1% has underlying conditions such as cancer, heart disease. It's very unfortunate, but that's the reality of whats happening.

That’s exactly my point, it’s unachievable and too big an ask to expect people to sacrifice any kind of romantic relationship until there is a vaccine, whenever that happens to be.

There is no way the Irish public will abide by that or support it. It’s wishful thinking to the extreme.

drunkmonkey

kippy wrote: »

There is and end to it but the point being made was that the recommendation will go on longer than any of the restrictions being lifted.

You said it, it's only a recommendation. You don't have to social distance. Hopefully the post millennials don't worry about it and get cracking on my pension payers.

Ginger n Lemon

fly_agaric wrote: »

This pandemic restriction period has been interesting in that I've never seen so many free market boosters/right wing types so deeply concerned by issues like long term unemployment/underemployment, the mental health and well being of the general public & the govt.'s tax revenue. Gives me hope for the future anyway.

Well, I am not right wing, but my heart cries when Ireland is committing financial suicide to implement measures that have had no scientific peer reviewed research or evidence published.

In general, when you hear 20% unemployment, 25% unemployment, how can anyone stay unmoved? Its not a "it could be you" thing anymore, its more of a "which relative of yours is going to be unemployed for years to come".

Jinglejangle69

Dunno about anyone else here but today has been an eye opener with regard to people ignoring the restrictions.

This thread title should be changed to easing of restrictions has happend.

FintanMcluskey

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I wouldnt count on vaccine at all. Such has only started to being developed in January this year. Say it comes out in September, will you inject something into your body that has been in development for 9 months?

Say this comes out in September 2021. Would you be comfortable with injecting something into your body that has only been around for 21 months?

I am unsure why would you want to sacrifice your normal life to avoid a virus that kills less than 1%? And even that less than 1% has underlying conditions such as cancer, heart disease. It's very unfortunate, but that's the reality of whats happening.

The reality is, people are happy to inject an unproven vaccine, to prevent an illness thats not particularly dangerous to those under 65 so they can stand beside each other.

Ginger n Lemon

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Dunno about anyone else here but today has been an eye opener with regard to people ignoring the restrictions.

This thread title should be changed to easing of restrictions has haaoend.

Why wouldnt ease of restrictions happen, when you tell the general public that they can't get a haircut until 20th of July, 11 weeks away. Most people currently are probably unrecognisable because of hairpiece, including me, they won't be tracked down.

drunkmonkey

I'll be injecting feck all, going to be one of the 20% that doesn't need to as the heard is immune with the high take up of gatesjuice..

yosemitesam1

kippy wrote: »

I can't see how you can make that statement without any evidence....

The initial test results that the hospitalisation rate was based off were biased towards severe cases.
The initial antibody surveys all show that the virus has spread over five to ten times further, it drastically cuts the hospitalisation rate as a result.

stephenjmcd

SusieBlue wrote: »

That’s exactly my point, it’s unachievable and too big an ask to expect people to sacrifice any kind of romantic relationship until there is a vaccine, whenever that happens to be.

There is no way the Irish public will abide by that or support it. It’s wishful thinking to the extreme.

Personally I dont think social distancing will be maintained beyond say 6 months time. When offices go back, schools, colleges, public transport it's going to completely unworkable.
That's before you consider social life resuming, concerts, festivals, sporting events, everything people will want to get back to. Now some people say oh we'll just have to wait for a vaccine, I wont be waiting for a vaccine that might or might not come down the line, not putting life on hold and wasting 2 or 3 years either.

The lasting effects for me will be the increased hand hygiene and the respiratory etiquette. Next time I've a head cold or a cough I wont be going to work and I'll work from home until it passes, likewise if I've an event to go to I'll give that a miss too. It'll become socially irresponsible to be outside if you've a head cold or a cough now, the days of just getting on with it and going into work are done.

SusieBlue

peasant wrote: »

There are ways to live, love and work while keeping your distance. And if there aren't yet, we have to create them.

Social distancing does not have to mean that everything stops.

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.

Ginger n Lemon

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.

100% agreed. Look at your friends pictures on facebook. How many of them are standing right beside someone else? Or in groups hugging each other?

I personally would rather have 1 great date, than live 1 year being awkward and try to stay 2 meters away from ANY human being around.

SusieBlue

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Personally I dont think social distancing will be maintained beyond say 6 months time. When offices go back, schools, colleges, public transport it's going to completely unworkable.
That's before you consider social life resuming, concerts, festivals, sporting events, everything people will want to get back to. Now some people say oh we'll just have to wait for a vaccine, I wont be waiting for a vaccine that might or might not come down the line, not putting life on hold and wasting 2 or 3 years either.

The lasting effects for me will be the increased hand hygiene and the respiratory etiquette. Next time I've a head cold or a cough I wont be going to work and I'll work from home until it passes, likewise if I've an event to go to I'll give that a miss too. It'll become socially irresponsible to be outside if you've a head cold or a cough now, the days of just getting on with it and going into work are done.

A sensible, solid outlook here. I’ll be doing much of the same, we have to learn to live alongside this virus because it’s going nowhere. The sooner we adapt and adjust the better for everyone.

iamwhoiam

I will keep my distance from strangers in so far as possible , will wash hands often , sanitize when out , wipe down the usual . But there is no way I can keep my distance forever from my grandchildren . And if my family need a hug in the future then they get a hug
Human nature would not allow us keep each other at arms length for years to come

Jinglejangle69

Massive house party with the neighbours going on next door.

Lads, the official lockdown is over.

Ginger n Lemon

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Massive house party with the neighbours going on next door.

Lads, the official lockdown is over.

Reminds me a bit of that scene from Braveheart, with Mel Gibson & co lifting their skirts in the final fight. Wonder the outcome

growleaves

peasant

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yes, perhaps for a short term temporary period of time. Not for years on end until if/when we get a vaccine though. And it’s way too big an ask & sacrifice to expect of everyone.
How will any relationships progress without physical contact? It’s one of the most basic human needs we have as a species. It is unrealistic to expect people to go without that until 2021, or whenever the first vaccine is expected to come onto the market.

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

easypazz

gozunda wrote: »

Bullcrap. You make all that up up yourself? Is Stockholm the same as Sweden? News for you -no its not. Plenty of expert opinion that shows Swedens rate of infection is now out of control. Funny you deny that.

And more importantly there is no evidence that anything like "herd immunity" has any basis in reality in relation to Covid.



More makeup up bs? According to who? Yourself? Dont make me laugh!



Ditto



Again pulling stuff out of the dark orifice? There are reliable reports that say that Swedens Economy is going down the tubes. But of course because you like arguing - I'd be surprised if you didnt claim the exact opposite. :pac:



Yes what you wrote is indeed 'tosh'
Not referring to Holohan btw - but dont let that stop your normal rabid Anti FG rants or even reality

And indeed with your rights come responsibility. Amazing you dont know that...



Indeed we do. But your hate filled and frankly daft rants dont come close.



Lol. Hilarious. Do you do stand up comedy on a regular basis?



Of course you have because you know better than anyone else and everyone else including the experts are wrong according to you. Whats new eh? Best of luck with that. Dont cond back here crying ...

Usual toys out of the pram. As I said to you before you need to learn there is more than 1 way to skin a cat here.

Regarding herd immunity I quoted Anders Tegnell. He does not think Sweden is out of control.

Unemployment in Sweden at 10% - swedish central bank report

Projected 22% unemployment ireland - Paschal Donoghue

Didn't bother with the rest of it.

SusieBlue

peasant wrote: »

One night stands and casual sex are definitely over for a while ...but if you're serious about each other and committed, there are ways to make sure that neither of you is infected before you get close. It'll just take a bit longer.

Yeah because one night stands and casual sex is exactly what I was referring to and worried about.
Jesus wept, there aren’t enough eye rolls in the world for that post. Completely tone deaf and so out of touch with reality, its actually astonishing.

Irish Aris

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

Polar101

the kelt wrote: »

I mean the fact of the matter is we can be told in 2 weeks, sorry numbers aren’t good enough and on you go, what numbers? What is good enough?

Or die we just listen to our cmo give another few vague answers with no accountability on their side for their failings?

While it is a bit on the vague side, I don't think it's necessary to announce something like "we can only move to phase 4 if there are only x people in ICU, x number of new cases and x deaths". A lot of the posters here (myself included) would be interested in knowing that, but does it really matter for the general public? The main idea is to follow the guidelines and restrictions so that the "plan" can proceed. Often when people criticise the government or the CMO or the HSE, they think there is some kind of a lockdown agenda going on or a "us vs them" mentality.

Level 42

Irish Aris wrote: »

I was just talking to my family back home in Greece, where the restrictions are started getting lifted from tomorrow.
The interesting thing is that use of masks is highly recommended - and it is actually mandatory in certain types of stores, not sure about the full details though.

I wonder if the recommendation here will be the same when we will kick in the phases on May 18th.

nah we have feck all masks

peasant

SusieBlue wrote: »

Yeah because one night stands and casual sex is exactly what I was referring to and worried about.
Jesus wept, there aren’t enough eye rolls in the world for that post. Completely tone deaf and so out of touch with reality, its actually astonishing.

Do I really need to spell it out?

You need to social distance from those you don't know so you can get close / stay close to those that you do.

Easy enough if you already live with someone, it gets a bit more complicated if you don't ...but it's doable, with discipline.

VonLuck

peasant wrote: »

Do I really need to spell it out?

You need to social distance from those you don't know so you can get close / stay close to those that you do.

Easy enough if you already live with someone, it gets a bit more complicated if you don't ...but it's doable, with discipline.

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

FintanMcluskey

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not sustainable though. Is every single person supposed to put their lives on hold indefinitely?

For something that's primarily lethal to over 80s and terminally ill.
I cant see why anyone outside that bracket needs to live in constant fear of human interaction