Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 08:47PM

podgeandrodge wrote: »

A lot of scientific studies have shown this. Most importantly though, every study, including this one, points out that it does not seek to establish whether the airborne particles could cause infections.

My personal view, for what it is/isn't worth, is that if these particles were infecting people in reasonably open environments like supermarkets etc. , as opposed to sy a hospital where the same people are there all day, we'd have a lot more infection than we have.

Not necessarily, the prob. of infection could be quiet low, but still not insignificant. The 60% or so community infections we have are coming from somewhere.

fullstop · 27-04-2020 08:51PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Presume this is fake news

No that’s 100% true, Leo WhatsApp’d it to me earlier.

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 08:51PM

Gael23 wrote: »

No justification for current measures remaining in place beyond May 5th with those figures

How so the figures were lower when the lockdown was put in place?

Jim_Hodge · 27-04-2020 08:52PM

billybonkers wrote: »

Presume this is fake news

Probably, but it isn't far from what I'd expect may happen except some leeway on construction

ZX7R · 27-04-2020 08:55PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It is true for the wearer if not used correctly. The big benefit of masks in the community environment is preventing spread not protecting the wearer.

I am aware of the advantages of wearing a mask ,I didn't hear the context that he said as to why it could cause the spread in some cases.
I'm definitely a supporter of wearing of masks to reduce the spread even if it was home made or a scarf.it should be promoted more

27-04-2020 08:57PM

mosii wrote: »

I miss Trump at night

Back tonight I believe.

VonLuck · 27-04-2020 08:58PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I am aware of the advantages of wearing a mask ,I didn't hear the context that he said as to why it could cause the spread in some cases.
I'm definitely a supporter of wearing of masks to reduce the spread even if it was home made or a scarf.it should be promoted more

I'm not sure how effective they are in reality.

I've seen countless people with their homemade masks continually fidgeting with it, particularly in supermarkets where they've already handled so many things before touching their face.

speckle · 27-04-2020 09:01PM

I am so happy that I am crying. Just heard all the relations from the Netherlands doing ok. No postives amongst them, even the nurse. And the one who just got out of a nursing home in time, celebrated their 80th birthday in their own garden. I hope our luck holds out against the odds, as we have many more 80+ year olds in the family.

KathleenGrant · 27-04-2020 09:03PM

Friends of mine were to get married this year and want restrictions lifted.......seriously?.
It's not about the wedding then, it's about the party/presents 100%

What Username Guidelines · 27-04-2020 09:06PM

speckle wrote: »

I am so happy that I am crying. Just heard all the relations from the Netherlands doing ok. No postives amongst them, even the nurse. And the one who just got out of a nursing home in time, celebrated their 80th birthday in their own garden. I hope our luck holds out against the odds, as we have many more 80+ year olds in the family.

I mentioned earlier in the thread that my 95 year old grandmother tested positive in a nursing home here. She’s on day 13 now and did have some aches but is fine for now. Will probably not get another test to confirm but I’m taking this all as a good sign on day 13

New Home · 27-04-2020 09:08PM

speckle wrote: »

I am so happy that I am crying. Just heard all the relations from the Netherlands doing ok. No postives amongst them, even the nurse. And the one who just got out of a nursing home in time, celebrated their 80th birthday in their own garden. I hope our luck holds out against the odds, as we have many more 80+ year olds in the family.

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread that my 95 year old grandmother tested positive in a nursing home here. She’s on day 13 now and did have some aches but is fine for now. Will probably not get another test to confirm but I’m taking this all as a good sign on day 13

Absolutely delighted to hear that, both of you!!

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 09:10PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote: »

Well if you touch the mask with contaminated hands then the mask is no use...the amount of folks i see wearing masks wrong, thinking they are more protected is scary...wearing them around your chin isn't doing much...constantly adjusting them with unclear hands too

The inside or outside of the mask? If you touch your mouth with contaminated hands because you don't have a mask on to stop you?

These sort of arguments are pointless and unscientific.

What Username Guidelines · 27-04-2020 09:10PM

KathleenGrant wrote: »

Friends of mine were to get married this year and want restrictions lifted.......seriously?.
It's not about the wedding then, it's about the party/presents 100%

I worry about peoples expectations over the next few months and wonder how the government will handle the messaging. It needs to be hopeful but quite firm. Austrians took it upon themselves to enforce the masks thing and there’s a lot of social pressure to enforce. Hopefully we can pull together as a nation and do the same.

growleaves · 27-04-2020 09:11PM

Christof Kuhbandner, professor of psychology at the University of Regensburg, writes on the illusion of drastically increasing numbers of the corona-infected. In Germany, he writes, the numbers are rising but the disease was at its peak in March.

This can be illustrated by a simple everyday example: Let us assume that ten eggs are hidden in a garden every day (the true number of new infections). On the first day, the children are only allowed to search for one minute and they find one egg, on the second day two minutes and they find two eggs, and on the third day they are allowed to search four minutes and they find four eggs (increasing the number of tests over the time). The children could now get the misleading impression that they are exponentially more eggs (new infections) hidden in the garden every day because they find exponentially more eggs every day. But of course this is a problematic interpretation, because in reality there were always the same number of eggs (new infections) hidden in the garden.

So if there is a high number of unreported eggs (new infections) that are hidden but not found due to the small number of search attempts, you will automatically find more and more eggs (new infections) when increasing the number of tests, but nothing about the true number of eggs per day hidden eggs (new infections) testifies. You can make one interesting point clear from this example: What would actually happen if more eggs (new infections) were actually hidden in the garden every day? Then you would have to find more eggs (new infections) than is caused by increasing the number of tests. For example, if ten eggs were hidden on the first day, 20 eggs on the second day, and 40 eggs on the third day, you would find not just two but four eggs on the second day, and not just four on the third day, but 16 eggs. If you double the number of tests, you will always find more than twice as many eggs.

There is now a relatively simple statistical method to determine the true course of new infections: You simply have to divide the number of new infections found with a certain number of tests by the number of tests. This can be illustrated by the example of eggs: The children could simply divide the number of eggs (new infections) found each day by the number of search minutes (number of tests). If the number of hidden eggs (new infections) remained the same, the value 1 would be obtained for all three days. If the number of hidden eggs (new infections) doubled every day, the values 1, 2 and 4 would be obtained. This would then reflect the true course of the increase relatively accurately. In other words, this method is used to estimate what would have happened.

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speckle · 27-04-2020 09:12PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread that my 95 year old grandmother tested positive in a nursing home here. She’s on day 13 now and did have some aches but is fine for now. Will probably not get another test to confirm but I’m taking this all as a good sign on day 13

Thats great news some of that generation are as tough as old boots.

WoollyRedHat · 27-04-2020 09:12PM

fullstop wrote: »

No that’s 100% true, Leo WhatsApp’d it to me earlier.

You're lying, he zoom called me earlier and showed it to me and I made him promise to not share it out with anyone else.

Be right back · 27-04-2020 09:14PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

I mentioned earlier in the thread that my 95 year old grandmother tested positive in a nursing home here. She’s on day 13 now and did have some aches but is fine for now. Will probably not get another test to confirm but I’m taking this all as a good sign on day 13

That's great to hear!

Roger_007 · 27-04-2020 09:15PM

Is anybody getting tired of all these war references in relation to this crisis. I heard Boris this morning talking about ‘this conflict’ and how ‘we are close to victory’. Then there are all the references to the ‘front line’.
Are we expecting the virus to come out shortly with its hands up waving a white flag?

c.p.w.g.w · 27-04-2020 09:17PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

The inside or outside of the mask? If you touch your mouth with contaminated hands because you don't have a mask on to stop you?

These sort of arguments are pointless and unscientific.

Have to disagree with you there...The efficacy of masks is wholly dependent on be using correctly...The mask should only be touched putting them on and taking them off...People think masks are as good as Hazmat suits with regards to providing protection...Which inevitability isn't the case from what i continue to see...its anecdotal i know, but anyone i see out in public wearing a mask is literally doing all the things one needs to avoid in order for the mask to do its job

Strumms · 27-04-2020 09:21PM

wakka12 wrote: »

You can responsibly come out of lockdown. Many regions of the world have developed smart ways to keep outbreaks minimal while maintaining a relative normality to daily life. We know a lot more now about how the virus spreads

You CAN but the worry might be when we do how people will adjust/react. A lot of reports of not great about behavior now, when lockdown ends, for me it ends but I’d fûcking hate to be a Garda that night with the huge twatish elements in this population, carnage.

ChikiChiki · 27-04-2020 09:21PM

Noticeable increase in tensions across all threads. Can see the current state is getting to people. That's concerning given we have a long road of restrictions ahead and life won't be the same for a while. If people want to manage their mental health they need keep a semblance of realism that this is not going anywhere soon and manage their expectations better.

podgeandrodge · 27-04-2020 09:21PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Not necessarily, the prob. of infection could be quiet low, but still not insignificant. The 60% or so community infections we have are coming from somewhere.

Like I said, they haven't even assessed whether it CAN be transmitted like that, let alone discussing %s.

That's a count of community infections by the way, not a reflection on the current rate of that type of transmission.

Rob A. Bank · 27-04-2020 09:26PM

mosii wrote: »

I miss Trump at night

Apparently he has had over 40 hours of press briefings on Covid-19 so far, but spent only 4 minutes offering condolences and words of comfort to the thousands of bereaved US citizens.

In the White House, the full of $hite House… the liar tweets tonight.

Great line that !

eagle eye · 27-04-2020 09:27PM

c.p.w.g.w wrote:

Have to disagree with you there...The efficacy of masks is wholly dependent on be using correctly...The mask should only be touched putting them on and taking them off...People think masks are as good as Hazmat suits with regards to providing protection...Which inevitability isn't the case from what i continue to see...its anecdotal i know, but anyone i see out in public wearing a mask is literally doing all the things one needs to avoid in order for the mask to do its job

I don't think anybody thinks there like Hazmat protection. I think most realise it's about not spreading the virus.

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 09:28PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Noticeable increase in tensions across all threads. Can see the current state is getting to people. That's concerning given we have a long road of restrictions ahead and life won't be the same for a while. If people want to manage their mental health they need keep a semblance of realism that this is not going anywhere soon and manage their expectations better.

Are you surprised theres an increase in tensions, I was fully supportive of this 6 weeks ago but now, what people want is the roadmap to be given to us, one of the last EU countries to have any sort of plan.

Every other country at least gives the population something to aim for, here nothing.

Social life in the likes of Austria and Denmark will be back to some sort of normality by June, while here we've absolutely nothing to keep us going, just the threat of more restrictions.

It's not going anywhere soon but we need to face up to the fact that we have to learn to live alongside this with social distancing etc before any vaccine

timsey tiger · 27-04-2020 09:30PM

Our community transmission is still out of control. This means our testing and contact tracing are not where they need to be for us to responsibly come out of our so called lockdown.

eddie73 · 27-04-2020 09:31PM

Well done New Zealand. Looks like iceland is well on the way there to no community instances of the virus.

Both island countries. NZ has 5 million of a population. Just like us.

I wonder could we learn anything from them? Austraila likewise are doing really well.
Everyone bought into their quarantines 100%. People didn't rely on the government to enforce it, they just obeyed the directive.

Both NZ and Australia are used to quarantines in recent years and have very strict and well organized sanitation systems at airports. Couple this with their all in attitude and their relative distance from everyone else, they have gotten to a place where they can possibly start going back to work without fear of too many lockdowns in the future.

But this is going to be 100% reliant on flights into the country and how they manage this.

I would guess they will do a good job here too.

stephenjmcd · 27-04-2020 09:32PM

timsey tiger wrote: »

Our community transmission is still out of control. This means our testing and contact tracing are not where they need to be for us to responsibly come out of our so called lockdown.

Have you something to back that claim up ? As we're constantly being told its suppressed in the community.

Issue is nursing homes and long term care settings

ek motor · 27-04-2020 09:34PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

Noticeable increase in tensions across all threads. Can see the current state is getting to people. That's concerning given we have a long road of restrictions ahead and life won't be the same for a while. If people want to manage their mental health they need keep a semblance of realism that this is not going anywhere soon and manage their expectations better.

Sensible words

owlbethere · 27-04-2020 09:35PM

Rob A. Bank wrote: »

Apparently he has had over 40 hours of press briefings on Covid-19 so far, but spent only 4 minutes offering condolences and words of comfort to the thousands of bereaved US citizens.

In the White House, the full of $hite House… the liar tweets tonight.

Great line that !

That's so funny

Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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