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Covid19 Part XVI- 21,983 in ROI (1,339 deaths) 3,881 in NI (404 deaths)(05/05)Read OP

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  • #5942
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,617 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    uncleoswald wrote: »
    You may not like to hear it but it's true. Using your analogy, because of Irelands position in the world, the thugs were already in the house but you were still going on about barricading the front door. New Zealand's isolation meant they had a chance to stop covid from taking hold in the population, even if they acted long after us.

    its the difference between a gang of 100 or a gang of 3 or 4


  • #5943
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Im not against keeping the current restrictions in place longer but

    1.1 million in receipt of some form of payment from the State is not sustainable for long especially when State income will be so low.

    I'm not saying ths economy is more inportant either but that figure of 1.1 million cannot be ignored

    Paschal Donohue said that theres changes coming to all pandemic payments to make the burden on the state more manageable so its not being ignored.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/wage-subsidy-pandemic-payment-5080369-Apr2020/

    Shin


  • #5944
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    MOR316 wrote: »
    As much as I think journalists are sniveling, lying pieces of ****, I know people due to get married this year. They are angry, impatient, annoyed and hurt their weddings are postponed. Their range of emotions want them to go ahead ASAP

    Rightly or wrongly, do not underestimate the stupidity of those with two legs.

    Personally, I think they're mad to even have a wedding in healthy times, never mind during a pandemic

    A cancelled wedding, or a postponement, isn't the end of the world. Large crowds won't be allowed to gather this year. If two people really wanted to get married, they could wait for a few weeks, see if there's any easing with the restrictions, like family meeting family, they could get married if they really wanted to and keep it small.

    My grandparents married after world war 2 and it was just the two of them. There was no stag or hen parties. There was no wedding dinner or dance. There was no fancy wedding dress. Just the two of them. If two people really wanted to marry, they would do it and forget about the big nonsense and fuss about one day.


  • #5945
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,161 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think they need to be up front and honest. They need to come out and say definitely that they can't lift restrictions and won't lift restrictions until case numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are way, way, way down from where they are now.

    The media has become obsessed with this totemic date of May 5th, May 5th, May 5th. And this kind of wishy washy message that restrictions will be, might be, should be lifted on the day has led to people being more relaxed. They seem afraid to be brutally honest. Restrictions won't be lifted if things don't improve and forget about talking about specific dates. It's not about May 5th, it's about the progression of the disease.

    There needs to be better communication. Quit teasing that there's possibly some good news on the way. Be straight with people. We can't lift restrictions until the number fall dramatically.


  • #5946
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Did he really say that the wearing of masks can lead to the spread of the virus in some cases
    It's the standard hygiene around face touching and touching infected masks.


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  • #5947
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    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Arghus wrote: »
    I think they need to be up front and honest. They need to come out and say definitely that they can't lift restrictions and won't lift restrictions until case numbers, ICU numbers and deaths are way, way, way down from where they are now.

    The media has become obsessed with this totemic date of May 5th, May 5th, May 5th. And this kind of wishy washy message that restrictions will be, might be, should be lifted on the day has led to people being more relaxed. They seem afraid to be brutally honest. Restrictions won't be lifted if things don't improve and forget about talking about specific dates. It's not about May 5th, it's about the progression of the disease.

    There needs to be better communication. Quit teasing that there's possibly some good news on the way. Be straight with people. We can't lift restrictions until the number fall dramatically.
    They're afraid to be transparent. They should be giving the public the actual targets we need to hit in order to lift restrictions.


  • #5948
    spookwoman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,059 ✭✭✭✭spookwoman


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's the standard hygiene around face touching and touching infected masks.

    That's assuming very one does that. Think most people who are wearing masks are very conscience of not touching their faces.
    This is more about ppe supplies.


  • #5949
    Roger_007
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,886 ✭✭✭✭Roger_007


    Ninthlife wrote: »
    Im not against keeping the current restrictions in place longer but

    1.1 million in receipt of some form of payment from the State is not sustainable for long especially when State income will be so low.

    I'm not saying ths economy is more inportant either but that figure of 1.1 million cannot be ignored

    Having a functioning economy is a prerequisite for having any decent public services including health services.
    Those who think we can thrash the economy and not eventually thrash all other public services is living in a fools paradise.
    This pandemic is going to be with us for a long time. When the money runs out, (that is when we simply can’t borrow any more), we will be up the creek without a paddle. We are playing a very dangerous game. National bankruptcy is not in anyone’s interest.


  • #5950
    Stheno
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    AdamD wrote: »
    They're afraid to be transparent. They should be giving the public the actual targets we need to hit in order to lift restrictions.

    I'd take it as given that as the NPHET is reviewing on Friday any lifting is not going to happen tbh


  • #5951
    sheepsh4gger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 622 ✭✭✭sheepsh4gger


    Don't worry, the virus is destroyed now.

    Time to get back to work.


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  • #5952
    shinzon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,463 ✭✭✭shinzon


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd take it as given that as the NPHET is reviewing on Friday any lifting is not going to happen tbh

    Unless there is a dramatic fall in figures between now and Friday id say its a firm no on any lifting

    Shin


  • #5953
    Miike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Miike


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Don't worry, the virus is destroyed now.

    Time to get back to work.

    Isn't this the lad who asked his cult followers for 54 million because "god wants him to have a private jet"?


  • #5954
    millb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭millb


    titan18 wrote: »
    Whether people will say it or not, it's obvious why nursing homes weren't prioritised and correct imo.

    Finite number of resources means those with less chance of survival have to be left behind. In the earlier days, we didn't have the PPE or testing capacity to allow for testing of them. Would people rather nursing home staff got PPE or nurses in hospitals, as it was in effect and either or choice. We didn't have enough for both. One of the nursing homes were stained staff were leaving to go work for the hse, so actual nurses was a constraint.

    It might be crap to say it or acknowledge it, but it happens everywhere when you have resource constraints.

    This is true, the additional factors, including root causes associated with a lack of uniformity in standards, training etc as happens in a "free market" sector. Then factor in the Agency staff who were working multiple NH's and living with others who included Hospital & Care staff..
    Consider 1 single NH case in Navan resulted in 25 staff leaving the Care home. Required xx more agency staff ... zero hours contracts etc.. Fair dues to the homes that have kept this out... (The HSE don't cover Nursing Homes) ..


  • #5955
    SeaBreezes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,554 ✭✭✭SeaBreezes


    https://twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1252949950289371137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1252949950289371137&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprepared.com%2Fblog%2Fcovid-19-key-developments-for-thursday-april-23-2020%2F


    Go Republic of Ireland...


  • #5956
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Stheno wrote: »
    If I heard him right he just said that he would not want differing measures here and in NI which would imply restrictions would not be lifted until NI do

    Theres no way we should be waiting for the north to come in line before lifting restrictions.
    If they want that to happen then they'll need the correct figures from them and not just the hospital related deaths etc.


  • #5957
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,947 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    Stheno wrote: »
    I'd take it as given that as the NPHET is reviewing on Friday any lifting is not going to happen tbh

    They said they would announce the plan this week so if they don't lift anything, they sure as hell may provide some roadmap. We can't continue indefinitely with the same restrictions.


  • #5958
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,790 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    What's with new lockdown measures? WHAT A JOKE? We were already in lockdown, was it a'' pretend'' lockdown. What a country.
    The lockdown the past few weeks was a joke, so guards will be out this week, where were they last week and the week before. Did they need reminding of their job?

    I saw Gardai in my local park on two occasions break up large gatherings of people who were not respecting social distancing and give them an earful and send them out of the park. In fairness there was a patrol of about 8 Gardai...It was the opposite today, two Gardai only but they didn’t seem very bothered about a large gathering of 15 people approximately who were all sitting side by side, some hugging and kissing, high 5ing etc... the tennis courts were locked and closed with a sign on the gate, about 4 muppets climbed over into the courts to play football, there were about six football pitches not in use. Gardai walked right past.... a neighbor too here well in his 80’s and all he got was hello.

    Perhaps a case of they didn’t have the numbers to do much with crowds that were there , the onus is on each of us.


  • #5959
    New Home
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 78,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭New Home


    SeaBreezes wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/GabrielScally/status/1252949950289371137?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1252949950289371137&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftheprepared.com%2Fblog%2Fcovid-19-key-developments-for-thursday-april-23-2020%2F

    Go Replublic of Ireland...

    I'd be curious to find out whether NI has the same DNR/"Triage" policies for nursing home residents as the Republic does.


  • #5960
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Strumms wrote: »
    I saw Gardai in my local park on two occasions break up large gatherings of people who were not respecting social distancing and give them an earful and send them out of the park. In fairness there was a patrol of about 8 Gardai...It was the opposite today, two Gardai only but they didn’t seem very bothered about a large gathering of 15 people approximately who were all sitting side by side, some hugging and kissing, high 5ing etc... the tennis courts were locked and closed with a sign on the gate, about 4 muppets climbed over into the courts to play football, there were about six football pitches not in use. Gardai walked right past.... a neighbor too here well in his 80’s and all he got was hello.

    Perhaps a case of they didn’t have the numbers to do much with crowds that were there , the onus is on each of us.

    I noticed the amount of guards around today way down compared to last week. I suspect a lot of them are getting some downtime before ramping up for the bank holiday weekend.


  • #5961
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Having a functioning economy is a prerequisite for having any decent public services including health services.
    Those who think we can thrash the economy and not eventually thrash all other public services is living in a fools paradise.
    This pandemic is going to be with us for a long time. When the money runs out, (that is when we simply can’t borrow any more), we will be up the creek without a paddle. We are playing a very dangerous game. National bankruptcy is not in anyone’s interest.


    People think we have a choice. Lifting restrictions will cause infections to explode, disabling the Economy. People think they have a choice. Don't take my word for it. Take bill's.

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    FT: And what about that trade-off? You just mentioned, obviously, the economic pain. What do you think the right balance is between the trade-off of protecting people's lives and the economic hit? Do you see a situation where the global economy could be virtually at a standstill for a year or even more?

    BG: Well, it won't go to zero, but it will shrink. Global GDP is going to take probably the biggest hit ever. Maybe the Depression was worse or 1873, I don't know. But in my lifetime this will be the greatest economic hit. But you don't have a choice. People act like you have a choice. People don't feel like going to the stadium when they might get infected. You know, it's not the government who's saying OK, just ignore this disease, and people are deeply affected by seeing these deaths, by knowing they could be part of the transmission chain, and old people, their parents, their grandparents could be affected by this.



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  • #5962
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,790 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    jackboy wrote: »
    I noticed the amount of guards around today way down compared to last week. I suspect a lot of them are getting some downtime before ramping up for the bank holiday weekend.

    Good point actually, I hadn’t thought of the BH weekend. The good news is that Friday aside the weather is looking at this point quite poor, wind and rain. That should be good news, for once.


  • #5963
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,205 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    sheepsh4gger wrote: »
    Don't worry, the virus is destroyed now.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

    Time to get back to work.


    Some of his ideas are not too far off the wild approaches we have had in this country to control the virus.


  • #5964
    c.p.w.g.w
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,998 ✭✭✭c.p.w.g.w


    ZX7R wrote: »
    Did he really say that the wearing of masks can lead to the spread of the virus in some cases

    Well if you touch the mask with contaminated hands then the mask is no use...the amount of folks i see wearing masks wrong, thinking they are more protected is scary...wearing them around your chin isn't doing much...constantly adjusting them with unclear hands too


  • #5965
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Roger_007 wrote: »
    Having a functioning economy is a prerequisite for having any decent public services including health services.
    Those who think we can thrash the economy and not eventually thrash all other public services is living in a fools paradise.
    This pandemic is going to be with us for a long time. When the money runs out, (that is when we simply can’t borrow any more), we will be up the creek without a paddle. We are playing a very dangerous game. National bankruptcy is not in anyone’s interest.


    People think we have a choice. Lifting restrictions will cause infections to explode, disabling the Economy. People think they have a choice. Don't take my word for it. Take bill's.

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    https://www.ft.com/content/13ddacc4-0ae4-4be1-95c5-1a32ab15956a

    FT: And what about that trade-off? You just mentioned, obviously, the economic pain. What do you think the right balance is between the trade-off of protecting people's lives and the economic hit? Do you see a situation where the global economy could be virtually at a standstill for a year or even more?

    BG: Well, it won't go to zero, but it will shrink. Global GDP is going to take probably the biggest hit ever. Maybe the Depression was worse or 1873, I don't know. But in my lifetime this will be the greatest economic hit. But you don't have a choice.




  • #5966
    crossman47
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,598 ✭✭✭crossman47


    titan18 wrote: »
    Whether people will say it or not, it's obvious why nursing homes weren't prioritised and correct imo.

    Finite number of resources means those with less chance of survival have to be left behind. In the earlier days, we didn't have the PPE or testing capacity to allow for testing of them. Would people rather nursing home staff got PPE or nurses in hospitals, as it was in effect and either or choice. We didn't have enough for both. One of the nursing homes were stained staff were leaving to go work for the hse, so actual nurses was a constraint.

    It might be crap to say it or acknowledge it, but it happens everywhere when you have resource constraints.

    You may be right but I would put it a bit differently. The primary objective had to be stopping the health service being overrun. If that had happened, not even the most stringent measures would have saved the nursing homes.


  • #5967
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    People think we have a choice. Lifting restrictions will cause infections to explode, disabling the Economy. People think they have a choice. Don't take my word for it. Take bill's.




    so good you had to say it twice eh!


  • #5968
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    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    Ventilators could be a huge cause of deaths, very few come off of them. You have a situation where strong, health people present themselves at hospital, all talking, all walking, they get an xray and it shows their lungs are saturated with mucus with a 20% oxygen reading and they are rushed to a ventilator, paralyzed with drugs and hooked to a machine that forces air into the lungs, few hours later a lot of these people were dead. They walked in fine, strong, healthy and able and were dead hours later.
    Then you have other doctors who simple put these patients on oxygen and humidifier only, and watch as their oxygen levels rise from 20% to 70-90% and treat the virus best way they can as their body tackles it also, buying their body enough of time to clear the mucus and attack the virus. Days later they recover.

    I think ventilators was a robotic reaction from doctors who were trained to behave that way in the face of a xray that looked so bad.

    It is very noticeable that there is very little talk about ventilator supply now


  • #5969
    snoopboggybog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭snoopboggybog


    One million cases now in the States. Doesn't look to good at all here.


  • #5970
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    bennyl10 wrote: »
    This isn’t a lockdown in any sense

    There are restrictions sure, and they want them to be forced, as they should.

    We aren’t in lockdown.

    Was never even called a lockdown by anyone official


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  • #5971
    wakka12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    One million cases now in the States. Doesn't look to good at all here.

    Yeh but deaths are really trending down. Looks like USA may plateau at around 70,000 deaths for the first wave which is probably the best case scenario.


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