Relaxation of restrictions Part II

Nermal wrote: »

https://www.theblogmire.com/is-lockdown-essential-comparing-the-swedish-experience-with-the-imperial-college-model-suggests-otherwise/



Per the Imperial model that led to lockdowns, blue is what should have happened in Sweden if they did nothing.

Yellow is what should have happened with moderate restrictions.

Red is what actually happened.

As Anders Tegnell said - what data are you looking at?

Im struggling to understand the rethoric that the current restrictions are the undoubtedly only way to reduce the effects of Covid. It is clear to see that Sweden have implemented an approach which is preserving life and economy. I've seen response's here to say Swedish death rate is higher per million than neighbour's of theirs but frankly that's totally irrelevant, as the reason the restrictions were implemented was to allegedly prevent hospital's having to admisinster battle field levels of triage and hundreds of thousands dead. The restrictions were introduced because of inherently flawed models and Sweden is the proof. Weather restrictions are lifted or not on Monday, nobody can prove they are the most efficient method of Covid protection

hi whats the general view on a second wave? the general consensus is that it will occur...

america numbers going up but states have started opening up again :-(
their so desperate to avoide (if not too late) a depression...

Does anyone have any experience in moving house with the current restrictions? Due to move in the next few days and a bit worried that it wouldn't be deemed 'essential travel' with all the extra checkpoints that will be around.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Im struggling to understand the rethoric that the current restrictions are the undoubtedly only way to reduce the effects of Covid. It is clear to see that Sweden have implemented an approach which is preserving life and economy. I've seen response's here to say Swedish death rate is higher per million than neighbour's of theirs but frankly that's totally irrelevant, as the reason the restrictions were implemented was to allegedly prevent hospital's having to admisinster battle field levels of triage and hundreds of thousands dead. The restrictions were introduced because of inherently flawed models and Sweden is the proof. Weather restrictions are lifted or not on Monday, nobody can prove they are the most efficient method of Covid protection

If that is the case then once restrictions are lifted and social distancing similar to Sweden is in place, then we shouldn’t see a dooming apocalypse scenario, but rather a higher rate of cases but still manageable.

Italy Spain and France were all caught out and added restrictions too late, but assuming the above is correct, went too heavy with restrictions. Maybe they needed to due to the initial spread from football matches and protests and what not.

Plenty of time to keep an eye on what happens in Sweden and Austria, etc over the next week or two.

Risteard81 wrote: »

My essential exercise or shopping etc. can be on any side of the so-called "border". So wrong on that count.

I didn't say otherwise. So...not wrong.


I have already proven that in British law the RUC does still exist and that the name has been retained. So get with the programme - the last poster had to admit this once I proved it.

Anyone still using the name RUC to refer to the PSNI has a MASSIVE chip on their shoulder. You refer to the Free State and Occupied 6-Counties too though...so I'm not surprised.

easypazz wrote: »

Bad news for the lockdown brigade today alright.

The repetitive party political type broadcast comments are certainly consistant but sadly monontous in their banality. Discussion it's not.

Perhaps changing the record might help ...

easypazz wrote:

Graphs like that won't suit the lockdown until Christmas brigade

easypazz wrote:

This doesn't suit the lockdown forever brigade.

easypazz wrote:

Just 388 new cases today, a bad day for the lockdown forever, no pubs until 2021 etc. etc. brigade.

easypazz wrote:

The lockdown brigade will freak when they hear that.

easypazz wrote:

...The lockdown brigade bury their head in the sand when it is mentioned.

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growleaves wrote: »

Yes, and everyone - literally every single person - should be asking for extraordinary proof to show that the lockdown is justified since it is, on its own terms, a destructive, anti-human policy. Knowing what human nature is like, with people not wanting to change their minds after they such a huge emotional investment in the lockdown, we're more likely to get an explosion of smug, sham-patriotic self-congratulation. Paving the way for future lockdowns.

I also struggle with the astounding lack of transparency from the government. Its a completely anti democratic approach. The sum total of the information is a case rate and death rate that is possibly days or weeks old. The ICU capacity is stable and Dr Tony has yet again repeated only an hour ago if it stays as is there will be no restrictions lifted. As per Ivan Yates earlieer the private hospitals are empty after being forcefully controlled by Mr Harris for 6 months and surgeries and consultations have been cancelled in those facilities for customers who have paid greatly for privatised medical cover, and in most cases people left to suffer at home. The NPHET meeting minutes are also not available for public consumption. Why???? Is transparency not expected in a democracy?

TheGoatOne wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience in moving house with the current restrictions? Due to move in the next few days and a bit worried that it wouldn't be deemed 'essential travel' with all the extra checkpoints that will be around.

Your in a legally binding contract to move so I think that’s essential

Tony Holohan seems to want to turn Ireland into a prison

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s not his fault. He has one job. He is asked to look through only one lens. Unfortunately no one in government has the balls to bring any balance to the debate

He is nit considering the human toll on what he is doing