Relaxation of restrictions Part II

kippy

easypazz wrote: »

Bad news for the lockdown brigade today alright.

Nobody wants the current limited restrictions to go on for ever.
Everyone wants to see a return to 7 weeks ago.
There's no 'lockdown brigade'.

We are however going into a massive amount of uncertainty no matter what happens in the coming years. People are fearful.

trapp

Anyone else think that listening to Tony on when to remove restrictions is pointless.

We'll be dictated to by what happens elsewhere.

If UK and rest of Europe are easing restrictions we'll follow and vice versa.

Couldn't imagine us in lockdown if UK wasn't for example.

Spencer Brown

trapp wrote: »

Anyone else think that listening to Tony on when to remove restrictions is pointless.

We'll be dictated to by what happens elsewhere.

If UK and rest of Europe are easing restrictions we'll follow and vice versa.

Couldn't imagine us in lockdown if UK wasn't for example.

Oh my poor poor boy, some of the EU already are easing restrictions.

stephenjmcd

As much as I want an easing. Listing to the CMO he doesn't sound of the opinion that he wants anything lifted simply based on nursing home and long term care settings, says the in or around 130 number in ICU is too high

trapp

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Oh my poor poor boy, some of the EU already are easing restrictions.

Exactly and if they continue I expect we'll follow suit.

Can't imagine us going on our own one way or the other.

0gac3yjefb5sv7

trapp wrote: »

Anyone else think that listening to Tony on when to remove restrictions is pointless.

We'll be dictated to by what happens elsewhere.

If UK and rest of Europe are easing restrictions we'll follow and vice versa.

Couldn't imagine us in lockdown if UK wasn't for example.

Given that people have taken it less seriously recently, I think he would hardly say we are on target to lift them next week as people would take the p.ss. So of course he is going to say we are not there yet.

Speakerboxx

I think restrictions will last until the bank holday weekend in June.

pjohnson

joe40 wrote: »

Are you suggesting that some people would prefer more deaths.? I don't know if I'm more surprised at the stupidity or the crassness.
There is no lockdown brigade, nobody wants these restrictions and everyone would love a return to normality.
You know that though, don't even know why I'm engaging with idiotic comments.

Oddly its the people wanting things to "open up" that are probably dissapointed at the death count.

lord quackinton wrote: »

I suggested 10, 000 lives lost would be agreeable if the lockdown did not happen
In reality I would have found 20000 lives lost this year to it a better result then what has happened our economy

At least quacky was honest.

Spencer Brown

Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »

Given that people have taken it less seriously recently, I think he would hardly say we are on target to lift them next week as people would take the p.ss. So of course he is going to say we are not there yet.

Where do you people live? I just went for a walk down the Main Street of the town I live in and the place is absolutely dead, 5pm on a nice sunny day was quieter than a typical 9pm in the depths of winter.

Long_Wave

Kobe Colossal Cape wrote: »

Why can't each county ban international travel and any suppliers that do need to travel are tested on entry and exit? Each country should eradicate it first. That would surely be quicker than a vaccine?

Facepalm

road_high

Penfailed wrote: »

Do you actually think people want lockdown to continue indefinitely or do you accept that people are happy to do what the government has instructed for the betterment of everyone?

Do you want all the restrictions to finish now?

I believe some do, yes. For people that enjoy doing nothing (and there are plenty of them) this is state sponsored validation of the lifestyle. The same people will be making excuses all year as to not go to work due to fears of Covid- it’ll be the latest excuse Tus Nua (or whatever it’s called now) will be hearing.
There will be a lot of new anxiety surrounding work- Mark my words

0gac3yjefb5sv7

Long_Wave wrote: »

Facepalm

It's the best solution in fairness

timmy_mallet

Speakerboxx wrote: »

I think restrictions will last until the bank holday weekend in June.

Which ones?

blackcard

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They might do it tomorrow, watch out for massive numbers reported this evening for a justification of further lockdown.
I'd be surprised if I'm not back later to go, see I told you.

So that is not going to happen

martingriff

trapp wrote: »

Exactly and if they continue I expect we'll follow suit.

Can't imagine us going on our own one way or the other.

You do know that they were all in lockdown before us so it would stand to reason we be after them. Of course our government should look at how other countries are doing and what is working not to do so would be moronic in my opinion

Birdie Num Num

Spencer Brown wrote: »

Oh my poor poor boy, some of the EU already are easing restrictions.

As I understand it, we don’t have a lockdown just restrictions and we certainly don’t have the same level as restrictions that are in some other jurisdictions. I get that we use the word ‘lockdown’ to explain the situation but the authorities were very careful not to use the word lockdown or impose a lockdown. Being able to travel 2k from your home is not a lockdown. Sure the over 70s are much more restricted but other restrictions are not very restrictive relatively speaking for most of us.

The restrictions in parts of Spain, Italy, China and other places were / are much more severe. People couldn’t leave their homes for any reason in some places. When we talk about easing restrictions we need to have a bit of perspective and look at what other countries are cautiously coming out off.

Penfailed

road_high wrote: »

I believe some do, yes. For people that enjoy doing nothing (and there are plenty of them) this is state sponsored validation of the lifestyle. The same people will be making excuses all year as to not go to work due to fears of Covid- it’ll be the latest excuse Tus Nua (or whatever it’s called now) will be hearing.
There will be a lot of new anxiety surrounding work- Mark my words

My questions were aimed at easyspaz. He's the one talking about the lockdown brigade and people being happy about it. I'm particularly interested in hearing his response to my last question.

Penfailed

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

As I understand it, we don’t have a lockdown just restrictions and we certainly don’t have the same level as restrictions that are in some other jurisdictions. I get that we use the word ‘lockdown’ to explain the situation but the authorities were very careful not to use the word lockdown or impose a lockdown. Being able to travel 2k from your home is not a lockdown. Sure the over 70s are much more restricted but other restrictions are not very restrictive relatively speaking for most of us.

The restrictions in parts of Spain, Italy, China and other places were / are much more severe. People couldn’t leave their homes for any reason in some places. When we talk about easing restrictions we need to have a bit of perspective and look at what other countries are cautiously coming out off.

Totally agree. This debate was had a few pages back. Some people reckoned we were living in inhumane conditions in a police state (I'm paraphrasing).

drunkmonkey

pjohnson wrote: »

Turning into full conspiracy now.

Priceless.

There holding back, nursing home testing went into full swing Thursday/Friday they might be stretching out reporting results a day or two but I reckon a whopper is coming.
Hoping i'm wrong as right now there's no justification for 2km, suppression achieved.

DeVore

easypazz wrote: »

If it has worked then ease restrictions on May 5th.

So we did a thing. And it worked!

And you would like to stop doing that thing.

Am I getting this right?


I agree (imho) with a few more shops being opened (garden centres, diy, fast food) but as far as going back to how things were in Jan/Feb... no way.

Breezin

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

As I understand it, we don’t have a lockdown just restrictions and we certainly don’t have the same level as restrictions that are in some other jurisdictions. I get that we use the word ‘lockdown’ to explain the situation but the authorities were very careful not to use the word lockdown or impose a lockdown. Being able to travel 2k from your home is not a lockdown. Sure the over 70s are much more restricted but other restrictions are not very restrictive relatively speaking for most of us.

The restrictions in parts of Spain, Italy, China and other places were / are much more severe. People couldn’t leave their homes for any reason in some places. When we talk about easing restrictions we need to have a bit of perspective and look at what other countries are cautiously coming out off.

Semantics. There are lockdowns and lockdowns. Ours is slightly less drastic than some, more drastic than others.

stephenjmcd

Each press conference now references the difficulty restrictions are having on people and they keep saying they understand why theres increased movement, but at the same time keep the threat of an extension hanging over people.

Honestly even if they said 2 more weeks I dont think it'll fly with alot of people, we were told these wouldn't and couldn't be long term. 2 more weeks would be what 8/9 weeks of restrictions.

Good luck getting compliance to increase.

I've been complaint with the restrictions all along but I'll be going to see family the week after next, not going to deny myself seeing them because the government and the HSE couldn't keep their side of everything by getting contact tracing and testing set up correctly and managing nursing homes and long term care settings correctly.

The vast majority of the population obeyed the restrictions but yet little progress from the powers that be.

stephenjmcd

DeVore wrote: »

So we did a thing. And it worked!

And you would like to stop doing that thing.

Am I getting this right?


I agree (imho) with a few more shops being opened (garden centres, diy, fast food) but as far as going back to how things were in Jan/Feb... no way.

Nobody is looking for things to go back to Jan or Feb..we know it'll be a while before that happens. People want to see their families and go to work where possible.

Everything else, restaurants, cinemas and a pint are 2-3 months off yet

Lyle

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There holding back, nursing home testing went into full swing Thursday/Friday they might be stretching out reporting results a day or two but I reckon a whopper is coming.
Hoping i'm wrong as right now there's no justification for 2km, suppression achieved.

For what it's worth, and I dunno if my relatives are unlucky with the testing but my two grandmothers are in nursing homes in Cork, one city/one rural and one Granda in a home in Clare. All were due to be tested last Friday, then it was Saturday and now its maybe Wednesday or Thursday. So I think even those figures might be further delayed...

There are no cases in any of my grandparents' homes, mind. So that is lucky. Thank jaysis. When you hear 49.5% of all our deaths are in homes... Mine are getting away with it so far. We're all ****ting it basically every day as the numbers climb, but getting away with it so far.

GazzaL

drunkmonkey wrote: »

There holding back, nursing home testing went into full swing Thursday/Friday they might be stretching out reporting results a day or two but I reckon a whopper is coming.
Hoping i'm wrong as right now there's no justification for 2km, suppression achieved.

This is the problem with how figures are presented or manipulated in general (not just relating to the Coronavirus), headline numbers can be very misleading.

If you increase the numbers of tests performed, you will without question detect more new cases. It doesn't necessarily mean that the problem has got worse.

"Spikes" in new cases numbers aren't necessarily spikes if the tests were carried out spread over a couple of weeks and results are announced in batches.

If numbers jump because of mass testing in Dublin nursing homes, that doesn't mean that the rest of the country has a serious problem, it means that there's a problem in Dublin nursing homes.

Our numbers are going to appear to be worse than other countries in many cases because we count non-hospital deaths (rightly so) and we now, rather bizarrely, count possible deaths!

Half our workforce are now dependent on handouts. That is absolutely colossal! The longer this goes on, the more people that won't have any job to go back to.

RugbyLad11

DeVore wrote: »

So we did a thing. And it worked!

And you would like to stop doing that thing.

Am I getting this right?


I agree (imho) with a few more shops being opened (garden centres, diy, fast food) but as far as going back to how things were in Jan/Feb... no way.

I don't think anyone is expecting us to go back to the way things were in Jan/Feb

But we wan't to see some progress made on current restrictions, one month ago when the 'lockdown' was started we were asked to do our part and stay at home to keep the ICU numbers down and flatten the curve...we done our part and both of these have been achieved.

We need to at least ease some restrictions and trial some other methods such as the friend bubble method which other countries are adapting. Basically it allows you to meet up with friends but only if it's the same group each week.

road_high

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nobody is looking for things to go back to Jan or Feb..we know it'll be a while before that happens. People want to see their families and go to work where possible.

Everything else, restaurants, cinemas and a pint are 2-3 months off yet

Ultimately life will and will have to return as before because that was the normal way of human living. As it did after pandemics in history

Gael23

Nobody expects life to go back to normal after May 5th but only to take a step along the path towards that.

HBC08

Penfailed wrote: »

My questions were aimed at easyspaz. He's the one talking about the lockdown brigade and people being happy about it. I'm particularly interested in hearing his response to my last question.

You won't get an answer,he doesn't have any.If you have an opposing opinion to him you will be branded as part of the lockdown brigade.He has a meltdown every few days,gets banned and the thread is better for it.

yrreg0850

I notice RTE seem to include the NI figures.
Is this because these people can roam freely down here while we are limited to 2 Km.

While most other countries closed their borders, we were afraid to do so for fear of upsetting a certain political party.